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    Stupid Question Day 2023

    en-usSeptember 26, 2023
    What was the main topic of the podcast episode?
    Summarise the key points discussed in the episode?
    Were there any notable quotes or insights from the speakers?
    Which popular books were mentioned in this episode?
    Were there any points particularly controversial or thought-provoking discussed in the episode?
    Were any current events or trending topics addressed in the episode?

    About this Episode

    What to listen for:

    The time has come, once again, for Stupid Question Day! Of course, there are no stupid questions. In fact, The Dames of Detection - Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing - were very impressed with this round of questions!


    Key Topics (Questions):

    •  How do you guys manage to do everything you do and still train your own dogs? (02:21)
    •  If you could do any dog sport you've never trained in before, what would it be? (08:28)
    •  Does it affect your dog's scent working, sourcing ability if their whiskers are shaven? (10:52)
    •  If you use a trained final response, like a down/sit,  how do dogs indicate a high hide? (14:41)
    •  Is there a best practice or pros and cons of single versus dual sent trained canines? (16:58)
    • Pros and Cons of Cross Training Scent Sports. (24:38)
    • Training Considerations for Dogs Who Both Track and Do Nosework (27:12)
    • Can your hunt test dog also be trained and certified in search and rescue? (35:19)
    • Moving Through the Shoulds and Should Nots (38:18)
    • Are there any trainers that you know that do a paid internship? (44:31)
    • Leaving Dogs in Vehicles While at Seminars (45:11)
    • Figuring Out What Boxes We’re In, to then Get Out (49:19)



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    What to listen for:

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    Our hosts reflect on the two-episode series (#102, #103) with Martha Hoffman. From the observant gaze that discerns the subtlest of animal signals to the challenges shorter dogs face in detection work, they uncover the profound connection between keen observation and effective communication with our canine companions.


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    • Dog Training and Sensory Experiences (10:02)
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    MythBusting: Obedience to Odor, +R Placement, and Using the Word Always/Never

    MythBusting: Obedience to Odor, +R Placement, and Using the Word Always/Never

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    • Creating Powerful Odor Obedience in Dogs (0:02:47)
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    Martha Hoffman: Bali Dogs and 5000 Hours of Observation Pt. 2

    Martha Hoffman: Bali Dogs and 5000 Hours of Observation Pt. 2

    What to listen for:


    Join in as K9 Detection Collaborative hosts Robin Greubel and Crystal Wing continue their conversation with Martha Hoffman, delving into the nuanced world of dog training around the world! They discuss the unique insights gained from working with various dog breeds in bite sports. 

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    • Photography in the K9 Detection World (3:00)
    • Dog Behavior, Training, and Breed Nuances (8:10)
    • Dog Behavior and Growling (13:43)
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    • Emotional Circuits and Instincts in Training (38:33)


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    Martha Hoffman: Bali Dogs and 5000 Hours of Observation Pt. 1

    Martha Hoffman: Bali Dogs and 5000 Hours of Observation Pt. 1

    What to listen for:


    The Dames of Detection, are joined by Martha Hoffman, who is acclaimed for her work with the San Francisco SPCA in training rescue dogs as service animals. Martha unravels the mysteries behind canine temperaments suitable for service work, focusing on the essential trait of positive sound reactivity.


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    Key Topics:

    • Training for Sound Work and Hearing Dog Careers (05:03)
    • Dog Behavior and Training with a Focus on Sound Reactivity (11:12)
    • Evaluating Dog Confidence and Temperament for Public Access Work (17:11)
    • Find - Re-Find, and the “Ping Pong” Method (23:36)
    • Accessing Martha’s Selection Criteria via Her Book, Lend Me an Ear (27:38)
    • Overly Independent Dogs are Not Ideal for Sound Work (29:46)
    • Martha’s Work in Bedbug Dogs (37:00)
    • 5000 Hours of Observation (41:54)



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    Tinkering and Creativity in Training

    Tinkering and Creativity in Training

    What to listen for:


    “I look at the dog and if something goes wrong I say, ‘Thank you for the information.’ As dog trainers, we modify behavior and in order to modify behavior we have to be able to take good data.”


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    • Handling Failure in Dog Training (12:32)
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    • Tinkering Success Stories (41:00)



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    100 Episodes In and Collaboration is Still the Key

    100 Episodes In and Collaboration is Still the Key

    What to listen for:


    "I appreciate the fact that our little collaborative thing has allowed us to have some of these really, really hard conversations in a public format."


    Welcome to episode 100 of the K9 Detection Collaborative with the Dames of Detection themselves - Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing!


    It feels like just yesterday when our hosts first set out to create a space for sharing the wonders and challenges of canine detection. This episode peels back the curtain on the competitive spirit alive in the world of canine detection. They navigate the tightrope that separates testing from competing, and how these impact our dogs and us as handlers.


    Our hosts look deeper into the world of dog obedience, dispelling myths and reaffirming the power of proper training. The conversation extends beyond the agility course, touching on the essential, yet often under-appreciated emotional and financial investments we make for the love of the sport and our canine companions.


    Wrapping up, the Dames of Detection tackle the seldom-discussed topic of burnout and growth within the dog training community, drawing parallels with their experiences. All that said, the stress of competition is counterbalanced by the joy of breakthroughs and the camaraderie that only a group of like-hearted dog lovers can provide. Thank YOU, listeners, for your continued support of the podcast! Here’s to another year of episodes filled with insights, laughter, and the occasional bark in the background!



    Key Topics:

    • Reflecting on Where It All Started 100 Episodes Ago (00:48)
    • Search and Rescue Training, Competitions, and Certification (02:53)
    • Search and Rescue Mentorship and Training Challenges (11:14)
    • Obedience Training for Search and Rescue Dogs (16:18)
    • Dog Training and Competition Costs (both monetarily and emotionally) (25:58)
    • The Challenges of Competition (34:37)
    • Burnout and Rebirth with a Focus on New Skills and Excitement (49:14)
    • Personal Growth Through Competition, Collaboration, and Kindness (53:10)




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    Reflections on 2023

    Reflections on 2023

    What to listen for:


    "As a trainer, no matter what you're doing with your training or where you are, what level you are, how advanced you are, how new you are, whatever, it should always be about growth because if you're not growing, you're stagnating.”


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    Our hosts celebrate the joys of dog training, but also the realities of imposter syndrome and the delicate balance between personal criticism and external feedback. They highlight the inventive work of fellow trainers and the importance of tinkering with training techniques. The essence of this chat is the shared journey of growth and the power of community support, as we all navigate the ebbs and flows of not only honing our craft, but life itself!



    Key Topics:

    • Personal Growth and Training in the Canine Detection Industry (0:02:12)
    • Balancing Training Methods and Ethics in Dog Sports (0:07:00)
    • Overcoming Imposter Syndrome and Building Confidence in Dog Training (0:11:20)
    • Dog Training, Mistakes, and Self-Compassion (0:16:17)
    • Physical Fitness and Rehabilitation for Humans and Dogs (0:22:55)
    • Dog Training and Search and Rescue (0:32:40)
    • Safety and Emergency Situations (0:37:15)
    • Grief and Mental Management in Dog Training (0:41:20)
    • Focusing on Positivity and Sharing Appreciation (0:46:28)
    • Looking Forward to 2024 and Beyond! (0:53:06)



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    Questions From the Crowd - Winter 2023 Pt 2

    Questions From the Crowd - Winter 2023 Pt 2

    What to listen for:


    “How well does the dog actually understand target odor? Part of the issue is that we think we've taught the dog to alert on a birch container. But in some cases, if you don't train with distractions enough, for instance, the dog is going to alert on what they think is just the non-empty box. So what you think you’re training may not be what you’re training.”


    Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays from the Dames of Detection, Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing! In this 98th episode of K9 Detection Collaborative, Robin and Stacy take on the second chunk of the questions from the crowd.


    This edition delves into everything from arousal vs drive, progression plans, tips for traveling with your dog, pheromones and false alerts, and much, much more! Make sure to check out part 1 if you haven’t already.



    Key Topics:

    • Intro to Part 2 of Questions from the Crowd (00:31)
    • Setting Time Limits During Training Sessions (01:27)
    • Looking for Progression Plans and Networks (07:00)
    • Training Differently for Different Organizations (13:02)
    • Handling Arousal Level During a Trial (16:32)
    • Low Arousal Dogs and Arousal vs Drive (23:27)
    • Low Drive vs Low Confidence (33:42)
    • Making Travel with Dogs Easier (34:24)
    • Pheromones and False Alerts (41:11)
    • Speed Round of Final Questions (45:32)
    • Stacy’s Quick Gratitude Story Time Wrap-Up (53:23)



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    Questions from the Crowd - Winter 2023 Pt 1

    Questions from the Crowd - Winter 2023 Pt 1

    What to listen for:

    “If you have a good reinforcement system, it really doesn't take long. And that reinforcement system is how you pay the dog for doing whatever work you're asking it to do. And you actually have to teach and learn how your dog likes to be reinforced.”


    Whether it be Robin’s knee surgery or Crystal’s voiceless bout with a nasty cold, it’s been tough for all the Dames of Detection to unite for episode recordings these days. But that won’t stop them from bringing you value-packed episodes you’ve grown accustomed to hearing.


    Today, Robin and Stacy answer listener questions on topics ranging from fun questions around accidental training, to new puppy strategies, nosework, verbal cues, and everything in between!


    Key Topics:

    • Intro and Update (00:31)
    • Marking an Article Indication for AKC Tracking (01:52)
    • “What is something you accidentally taught due to poor timing?” (05:46)
    • Things Trained That Aren’t Sport or Work-Related, but Useful or Fun (10:14)
    • “Do verbal cues even matter as much as we think they do?” (13:00)
    • Questions for Stacy Around Nosework (19:40)
    • Robin and Stacy’s Approaches to New Puppy Training (25:36)
    • “Do you reinforce blank searches just as enthusiastic as non-blank searches (39:22)
    • “Can you talk about when you reinforce when they are still in an unconscious state in a search before the indication?” (41:21)
    • “What classes would you recommend someone start with on your website?” (45:43)



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