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    Swagger and Secrets

    enMay 11, 2024

    Podcast Summary

    • Podcast Advertising and UFO NewsBusinesses can reach a large audience through podcast advertising, including partnerships with hosts for endorsements or running ads across multiple shows. UFO news moves quickly, with recent anniversaries and cultural themes shaping the conversation.

      Podcast advertising through Lipson Ads offers businesses the opportunity to reach a large and engaged audience by partnering with top podcasts and their hosts for endorsements, or by running reproduced ads across a wide range of shows. The discussion also touched on the fast-paced world of UAP news, with a focus on the anniversary of David Grush's story and his subsequent impact on the UFO community. Ross Colthart reflected on the challenges of staying current in the rapidly evolving field and the theme of larger-than-life aspects of American culture. The podcast also mentioned the collapse of news swagger and plans to discuss recent TV shows and other UFO-related topics.

    • Ongoing Investigations into UAPDespite setbacks, ongoing investigations by congressional reps and intel community inspector general continue, with ongoing questioning of informants and an investigation into Grush's claims.

      The investigation into Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) is ongoing, despite some setbacks and misinformation. The defeat of the Schumer amendment was a disappointment, but there are still ongoing investigations by congressional representatives and the intelligence community inspector general. David Grush's informants have been questioned, and an investigation is ongoing. It's important to note that Sean Kirkpatrick, who used to run the Pentagon's UFO investigation office, would not be privy to information about ongoing investigations. Grush's decision not to speak with ARO was a reasonable one, given the potential for bias or cover-up within the Pentagon and intelligence community. The public should remain patient and trust that the investigations will continue to unfold.

    • Credibility of Pentagon's UAP investigations questionedSkepticism towards Pentagon's UAP office for impartial investigations, concerns over disregard for crucial info, and calls for deeper journalistic coverage

      The credibility of investigations into Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) by the US Pentagon's Arrow office has been called into question due to past concerns over the objectivity and rigor of their reports. David Grusch, a key figure in bringing UAPs to public attention, has expressed skepticism towards the office's ability to conduct impartial investigations, citing past reports and disregard for crucial information. The impact on the progress of UAP research is uncertain, but there remains support from various congressional representatives and the Intelligence Community Inspector General for Grusch's claims. The state of journalism in covering UAPs was also discussed, with concerns raised about the lack of investigative depth from mainstream media. Overall, the trustworthiness of official investigations into UAPs is a significant concern, and the role of journalism in shedding light on this topic cannot be overstated.

    • Mainstream media losing influence, independent journalists gaining tractionJournalists should tackle taboo subjects with confidence and objectivity, as independent media outlets gain popularity for covering suppressed stories with investigative rigor, like the UFO phenomenon

      The mainstream media is losing its influence and engagement with audiences due to self-censorship and fear of being perceived as uncool, while independent journalists and outlets are gaining traction by covering suppressed stories with investigative rigor. The UFO phenomenon is one such example, with numerous intriguing cases being ignored by mainstream media outlets despite mounting evidence and public interest. The Eglin Air Force Base case, where a pilot reported seeing an anomalous object, is just one instance of many that deserves more attention from the media. It's time for journalists to regain their swagger and tackle taboo subjects with confidence and objectivity.

    • UAP sighting by military pilots: Discrepancies and missing informationThe official report of a UAP sighting by military pilots over the Gulf of Mexico lacked transparency and raised questions about the thoroughness of the investigation due to discrepancies and missing information.

      There was a UAP sighting by two military pilots over the Gulf of Mexico, but the official report from the Air Force only mentioned one pilot and downplayed the incident. The second pilot's account was not disclosed to the public, and there seems to be discrepancies between different arms of the Air Force regarding the existence of a video from the incident. The pilots' descriptions of the object did not match the mundane explanations given in the official report. The inconsistencies raise questions about transparency and the thoroughness of the investigation.

    • UAP Sighting by Pilots Over Gulf of MexicoThe unexplained UAP sighting by pilots and the initial denial of footage raises questions about transparency and accountability, highlighting the importance of independent investigations and factual reporting.

      There is an unexplained incident involving an object reported by two pilots over the Gulf of Mexico. The object was described as having a 3D cone shape, 12 feet in diameter, orange-red in color, and maneuvering between their planes. The US Air Force initially denied the existence of any video footage, but later acknowledged its existence under FOI. The contradiction raises questions about why the information was withheld, and why the media should take this UAP sighting seriously. This incident highlights the need for transparency and accountability in reporting and investigating such phenomena, and underscores the significance of independent investigations. The media should focus on the facts and the importance of the story, rather than the stigma surrounding UAPs. The public's interest in this topic is evident, and it's time for the media to take a more proactive role in covering these events.

    • Decades of Unidentified Objects Interfering with Military Training and Flying in Restricted AirspaceLack of transparency from the Pentagon about investigating UFO sightings and releasing evidence raises concerns for national security and pilot safety, potentially undermining public trust and necessitating further analysis and discussion.

      There have been numerous reports of unidentified objects interfering with military training and flying in restricted airspace for decades. Despite this, the Pentagon has not been transparent about investigating these incidents or releasing any clear evidence. The lack of transparency raises concerns about national security and the ability to ensure the safety of pilots and expensive military equipment. The public's trust is undermined when the government fails to acknowledge and address unexplained phenomena. The fear is that these objects could pose a threat, and further analysis and discussion are necessary to understand their nature and potential implications.

    • Unidentified objects disrupt military airspace, behavior not typical of dronesMilitary faces unexplained disruptions from unidentified objects, not behaving like drones, warranting further investigation

      There are unidentified objects interfering with military airspace, and despite significant resources being dedicated to countering drone threats, these objects do not behave like typical drones. The military and congress are trying to investigate these incidents, but there's a lack of transparency and disclosure from the defense department. Journalists have been hesitant to cover these stories due to the stigma surrounding UFOs, but they could instead focus on the anomalous objects that are disrupting military operations. For example, in late 2019 and early 2020, there were numerous reports of drone-like objects seen in rural areas of the Midwest. These objects did not make engine noise, did not have visible engines, and flew in adverse weather conditions. They also hovered for hours, which is not typical drone behavior. These incidents received media attention but then faded away. The nature of these objects remains a mystery, and it's crucial that we continue to investigate and report on them.

    • Unexplained aerial phenomena near nuclear facilities and military basesJournalist George Knapp emphasizes the potential national security risks of unexplained aerial phenomena, as authorities downplay their significance and misleadingly label them as drones or balloons.

      There is a growing number of unexplained aerial phenomena, often referred to as UFOs, being reported around the world, particularly near nuclear facilities and military bases. These objects are not consistent with standard aircraft or drone behavior, yet authorities seem to be downplaying their significance. Journalist George Knapp emphasizes the importance of investigating these incidents, as they could potentially pose a national security risk if they are not identified or addressed. The military's use of terms like "drones" or "balloons" to describe these objects is misleading, and there is evidence suggesting that they are not being shot down or identified when they are detected. Knapp urges the media to pay more attention to these incidents and take them seriously, as their potential implications could be significant.

    • International recognition and protocols for UFOsIn the 1960s, the US and Russia signed a treaty acknowledging UFOs and establishing protocols to prevent misunderstandings and conflicts.

      The UFO phenomenon has been recognized as a matter of national security and has been addressed in international treaties, including one signed between the US and Russia in the 1960s. This treaty acknowledged the existence of anomalous objects, commonly referred to as UFOs, and established protocols to avoid misunderstandings and potential conflicts between the two superpowers. Despite this acknowledgement, there remains a debate about why there has been a cover-up and what the true nature of UFOs might be. Additionally, the issue of UFOs has become politicized, with both Democrats and Republicans showing interest and trying to use it to their advantage. Ultimately, the question of what UFOs are and whether they pose a threat remains a mystery that continues to captivate the public.

    • Private engagement among key congressional representatives and senatorsCautious discussions and investigations on UFOs and extraterrestrial life are happening behind the scenes among some congressional representatives and senators, with Marco Rubio and Kirsten Gillibrand being vocal advocates.

      Despite the lack of public bipartisan interest in UFOs and extraterrestrial life, there is significant private engagement among key congressional representatives and senators. They are cautious about speaking publicly due to the stigma, but behind the scenes, there are ongoing discussions and investigations. Senators Marco Rubio and Kirsten Gillibrand are among those expressing concern and calling for further investigation. While the hope is that a disclosure of reality, possibly non-human, could unite people, the issue may eventually become more partisan. Meanwhile, in entertainment, the Apple TV show "Sugar" surprised viewers with an alien twist, but even such a revelation might not make it to prime-time television without significant changes.

    • Exploring the Complexity of Extraterrestrial Life and Alien EncountersThe fascination with extraterrestrial life and alien encounters continues to blur the lines between reality and imagination, with historical claims dating back to the 1950s and ongoing debates surrounding their legitimacy.

      The topic of extraterrestrial life and encounters with aliens continues to be a subject of fascination and debate, with both reported real-life encounters and fictional portrayals blurring the lines between reality and imagination. Mark, a potential creator of a blue alien design, highlights the complexity of distinguishing fact from fiction in this area. The discussion also touched upon the historical context of the UFO phenomenon, dating back to the 1950s, and the ongoing confusion surrounding the legitimacy of various claims. Ultimately, the exploration of this topic underscores the human curiosity and desire to understand the unknown.

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