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    Sweetgreen: Nicolas Jammet and Jonathan Neman

    enApril 13, 2020

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    • Finding balance in work and leisure during business travelBalancing work and leisure during business travel can lead to increased productivity and job satisfaction. Opportunities exist in tech and innovation with flexible work schedules and professional development. Maximize rewards with business cards and learn from crisis experiences with fellow entrepreneurs.

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    • Growing up in the restaurant industry shaped Sweet Green's founders' entrepreneurial spiritPersonal experiences and a strong work ethic played a crucial role in the success of Sweet Green, inspiring the founders to fill a gap in the market for healthier salad options and build a thriving business.

      The founders of Sweet Green, Jonathan Neiman and Nicholas Jammet, grew up with a strong influence of the restaurant industry due to their parents' fine dining French restaurant in New York City. This experience instilled in them a love for entrepreneurship and a hands-on approach to business. When they attended Georgetown University, they identified a gap in the market for healthier salad options and decided to start Sweet Green with seed money from friends and family. Despite facing challenges in their first year, they persevered and grew the business into one of the leading fast casual salad restaurants in America, with over 100 locations and a valuation of over a billion dollars. However, in 2018, they made a pivot to slow down expansion and focus on innovation and sustainability. This story highlights the importance of personal experiences and a strong work ethic in entrepreneurship.

    • Growing up in immigrant families with entrepreneurial backgrounds shapes aspirations and goalsCultural influences from immigrant families with entrepreneurial backgrounds can inspire individuals to start their own businesses and form strong bonds based on shared experiences.

      The experiences of growing up in immigrant families with entrepreneurial backgrounds can shape one's aspirations and goals significantly. Jonathan and Nick, both Iranian Americans, grew up with the expectation of starting their own businesses, influenced by their parents and their communities. Their shared love for food brought them together at Georgetown University, where they quickly formed a strong bond. Despite coming from different backgrounds, their experiences of growing up in families that valued hard work and self-employment made them natural business partners. Their story highlights the impact of cultural influences on personal development and the importance of shared experiences in forming meaningful relationships.

    • Identifying a personal problem and seizing an opportunityRecognize a common frustration, leverage entrepreneurial education, and seize opportunities to turn it into a successful business

      The idea for starting a business together came from a shared entrepreneurial spirit and a common problem they experienced at Georgetown University. The trio, who were all children of immigrant entrepreneurs, were inspired by their professor's teachings about starting businesses to solve personal problems. They were frustrated with the lack of healthy and affordable food options on campus and saw an opportunity to fill that gap. The small, empty burger shop across the street from their residence seemed like the perfect location for their salad-based lunch place. Despite the initial optimism, they wrote a simple business plan and kept it a secret from their parents until they were confident in their venture. This anecdote highlights the importance of identifying a personal problem, leveraging entrepreneurial education, and seizing opportunities to turn a shared frustration into a successful business.

    • Securing their first restaurant location through persistence and a solid business planDespite initial skepticism, persistence and a well-prepared business plan helped a young duo secure their first restaurant location and overcome challenges in raising capital.

      Persistence and a solid business plan were key to securing their first restaurant location. The duo faced initial skepticism from the landlord, Marcy, who thought they were kids with a school project. After calling her relentlessly for two months, they were granted a meeting and asked to present a more comprehensive business plan. This included financial projections, a team of professionals, and market research. With a refined plan in hand, they secured the location on M Street in Georgetown, which had been vacant for five years. However, they then faced the challenge of raising $100,000 to cover the deposit, rebuild, and initial operating costs. Despite the challenges, their determination and improved business plan won over the landlord, and they were able to turn an empty concrete box into their first successful restaurant.

    • Starting a business from scratch despite challengesDetermination, creativity, and support from others helped Sweet Green founders overcome lack of infrastructure, high costs, and skepticism to build a successful business using local and organic ingredients

      Starting a business from scratch, even in unfavorable circumstances, requires determination, creativity, and the support of others. The founders of Sweet Green faced numerous challenges, including a lack of basic infrastructure, high costs, and skepticism from potential investors. But they persisted, raising funds from friends and family, and partnering with local produce distributors to create a unique menu. Despite their inexperience, their honesty and commitment to using local and organic ingredients resonated with their partners and helped them gain support. Ultimately, their passion and determination led to the success of Sweet Green.

    • Starting a healthy food business in collegeDespite logistical challenges, founders of Sweet Green remained confident and opened their first location, offering delicious, healthy food options

      The founders of Sweet Green started their business with a clear vision of providing delicious, healthy food that people could enjoy every day. They began by hosting tastings in their dorm room and creating a menu with both make-your-own options and chef-crafted combinations. However, they encountered unexpected challenges during the build-out process, including obtaining permits, securing storage space, and ripping up the street for utilities. Despite these challenges, they remained confident in their venture as they were building it for themselves and their customer base. Ultimately, the first Sweet Green menu included salads, wraps, and frozen yogurt, with the guacamole greens salad being a standout item. The team's determination and passion for their product led them to overcome the obstacles and open their first location, despite the logistical challenges they faced during their final semester of college.

    • Starting a business from scratch: Overcoming challengesResilience, resourcefulness, and community support are crucial in bringing a business idea to life, despite initial setbacks and unexpected obstacles.

      Starting a business from scratch, no matter how small or seemingly insignificant, comes with its unique challenges. The speakers shared their experience of opening a salad shop in Washington D.C. in 2007, where they faced skepticism from friends and family, construction hurdles in the summer heat, and an unexpected robbery that stole their recipes just days before the grand opening. Despite these setbacks, they persevered and managed to open on August 1st, 2007, with the help of their families and a dedicated team. The first day saw a successful sale of over a hundred salads, marking the beginning of their entrepreneurial journey. This story highlights the importance of resilience, resourcefulness, and the power of community support in overcoming obstacles and bringing a business idea to life.

    • Navigating the Unpredictability of a New Restaurant BusinessLearning to adapt to unexpected challenges, such as student employees calling out and seasonal sales drops, is crucial for business survival. Marketing and partnerships with complementary businesses can help attract new customers and keep sales steady.

      Running a business, especially a restaurant, can be unpredictable, especially during the first year. The entrepreneurs in this story opened their business before students returned and saw initial success. However, when students came back, they found that hiring student employees was a mistake as they all called out on the first day of classes, leaving the owners to run the restaurant alone with a long line of customers. The business struggled during the winter when students left, and the weather turned, leading to a significant drop in sales. They went from making a profit to barely surviving, and had to learn to run a lean operation and adapt to different customer segments and weather patterns. They discovered the importance of marketing and partnering with local fitness and wellness businesses to attract new customers and get them to try their product. The experience taught them valuable lessons about business survival and the importance of flexibility and adaptability.

    • The Importance of Perseverance and Adaptability in Building a BusinessStarting a business involves facing challenges and setbacks, but staying committed to your vision, learning from mistakes, and being open to change can lead to success. Location also plays a role in allowing a business to grow and refine before expanding to larger markets.

      Starting a business requires resilience and the ability to adapt. The founders of Sweet Green, Nicolas Jammet and Jonathan Neman, faced challenges in their first restaurant but saw an opportunity to grow. They realized there was a need for a healthy fast food alternative, and their success in Washington D.C. allowed them to experiment and refine their model. However, even with a successful first location, they faced setbacks with their second restaurant. Despite initial struggles, they persisted and eventually found success. This story highlights the importance of staying committed to your vision, learning from mistakes, and being open to change. Additionally, the location of their first restaurant in a less competitive market played a significant role in their ability to grow and refine their business before expanding to larger markets. Overall, the journey of Sweet Green demonstrates the importance of perseverance, adaptability, and a strong team in building a successful business.

    • Investing in learning and company culture leads to growthInvesting in learning from experts, creating a strong company culture, and building emotional connections can lead to significant personal and business growth.

      Investing in learning from the best and building a strong company culture can lead to significant personal and business growth. Masterclass provides access to top experts, while Insparity offers guidance on creating a culture that fuels success. Sweet Green's founders took a risk by using music events to build a community and connect with customers, ultimately leading to the successful Sweet Life Festival. These strategies may not always make financial sense on paper, but they can create emotional connections that drive growth. Whether it's through learning, HR, or marketing, investing in these areas can help individuals and businesses realize their full potential.

    • The unexpected hire of a famous band helped Sweet Green differentiate, but founders were hesitant to franchise or take on investment.Founders stayed true to brand values while partnering with investor Steve Case for sustainable growth, ultimately leading to $22M investment and expansion.

      The unexpected hire of a famous band and media coverage helped Sweet Green differentiate itself in the fast casual market, but the founders were initially hesitant to franchise or take on institutional investment due to fears of losing control and compromising their commitment to organic and local sourcing. However, a potential investor saw the potential in their brand and convinced them to franchise, ultimately leading to a $22 million investment from Steve Case and the expansion of their business. Despite initial reservations, the founders found a partner in Steve who respected their commitment to quality and helped them scale sustainably, allowing them to grow and invest in technology and brand building. This experience highlights the importance of staying true to your brand values while also being open to strategic partnerships and growth opportunities.

    • Transparency and traceability in Sweet Green's growthSweet Green's success hinged on transparency and traceability, showing customers where their food came from and how it was produced, even in the face of challenges like high rents, and using technology to enhance the dining experience.

      Transparency and traceability were key factors in Sweet Green's growth and success. From the very beginning, the founders prioritized showing customers where their food came from and how it was produced. This was a novel concept in the fast food industry at the time, with many customers used to having a curtain between them and their food. However, Sweet Green saw the value in opening that curtain and building trust with their customers. They extended this transparency to their physical restaurants, designing them to be open kitchens. As they scaled their supply chain and expanded to new cities, they faced challenges, such as finding affordable real estate in high-rent areas like New York. But these challenges also presented opportunities for innovation, such as introducing technology into the dining experience through their app. Overall, Sweet Green's commitment to transparency and traceability helped define their brand and set them apart from competitors.

    • Founders of Sweet Green maintain bond and effective communicationFriends and neighbors turned business partners, Sweet Green founders have grown their business while preserving their relationship and values, expanding to LA brought them closer to farmers, joined health and wellness conversation, and allowed for talent recruitment.

      The founders of Sweet Green, who started as neighbors and friends, have built a successful business while maintaining a strong bond and effective communication. They've had coaches and therapists to help them through disagreements, and their shared vision and values have kept them together through the years. When the company grew and moved to LA in 2016, they brought the whole team with them, creating a strong cultural bond. Although expanding isn't always a great idea for every business, the Sweet Green founders saw it as an opportunity to be closer to their farmers, join the health and wellness conversation, and recruit talent. Their move to LA proved to be a successful strategy, allowing the company to continue growing.

    • Disrupting the restaurant industry with convenienceSweet Green adapted to changing customer expectations by investing in technology and offering convenient pickup options to stay competitive in the industry

      The restaurant industry is no longer immune to disruption, and businesses must adapt to changing customer expectations and preferences for convenience. When Sweet Green started, the industry was seen as untouchable by tech giants. However, with the rise of online ordering, delivery, and data usage, brick-and-mortar restaurants alone were no longer sustainable. The fear of becoming the next Blockbuster drove Sweet Green to constantly evolve and disrupt themselves. In 2017-2018, they pivoted with the introduction of Sweet Cream 3.0, which included building modular and flexible restaurants with increased capacity for delivery, online ordering pickups, and outpost pickup shelves. By offering free pickups and central kitchens, they catered to consumers' demands for convenience without sacrificing the in-store experience. To make this happen, they had to invest in technology and raise funds for data engineers and other resources.

    • Transitioning from a food company to a tech companyDespite short-term success and financial gains, founders prioritized long-term vision and continuous change over maintaining the status quo, leading to some staff departures.

      During a time when Sweet Green was transitioning from a food company to a technology company, the entire top-level executive team left, except for the CFO. This was a challenging period as the founders saw the need for a pivot and the building of a new model, despite the short-term success and financial gains. The founders, who had a long-term vision, wanted to create a company that could evolve continually and not become a copycat. When announcing this shift to the senior staff, some were asked to stay, while others left. The founders, who saw things differently, wanted to build something for generations and were determined to change the company's culture to embrace continuous change.

    • Navigating Business Challenges: Embracing Resilience, Grit, and TeamworkResilience, grit, and teamwork are vital in overcoming business setbacks. A culture that embraces failure and encourages innovation, along with a dash of luck, can lead to long-term success.

      Setbacks and challenges are a natural part of building a business, and while they can be painful and doubt-inducing in the moment, they can ultimately lead to growth, innovation, and the opportunity to bring in fresh perspectives. The importance of resilience, grit, and the support of a strong team cannot be overstated in navigating these challenges. Additionally, maintaining a culture that embraces failure and encourages continuous innovation is crucial for long-term success. Lastly, while intelligence, skill, and hard work are essential, luck also plays a significant role, and it's how one responds to that luck that can make or break a business.

    • Starting a business involves luck and resilienceDespite the role of luck in business success, resilience and pivoting during tough times are crucial. Sweet Green founders faced numerous challenges and shifted to providing free meals to frontline workers during the pandemic.

      Luck plays a significant role in business success, but resilience and the ability to pivot during difficult times are equally important. The founders of Sweet Green, Nicholas Jam Adams and Jonathan Neman, shared their journey of starting and growing their business over the past 13 and a half years. They acknowledged the many fortunate breaks they encountered along the way but also emphasized the importance of perseverance through numerous close calls to failure. Recently, due to the pandemic, Sweet Green had to shift its business model to digital-only orders and closed dining rooms. Instead of focusing solely on saving their business, they redirected their resources to provide free meals to frontline workers in hospitals, feeding over 100,000 people so far. This crisis tested their values and forced them to put their mission into action in a more profound way than ever before. Their meeting with their co-founder Nathaniel Roo was focused on discussing the current situation and finding ways to continue making a positive impact on their community.

    • Imagining a new start during a crisisDuring crises, adapt and imagine starting anew to invest in your business and come out stronger.

      During times of crisis, it's essential to be proactive and adapt, rather than clinging to old plans. The founders of Sweet Green did just that when they faced the challenges brought on by the pandemic. They took a step back and imagined if they were starting their business anew. This mindset allowed them to invest in their business and come out stronger than before. As Amika emphasizes, insurance is about more than just policies; it's about protecting the things that matter most to us. Similarly, when considering adding a new podcast to your schedule, remember that life is short, and every moment is an opportunity to learn and grow. Whether through business or entertainment, being open to new experiences and ideas can lead to significant personal and professional gains.

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    Show notes:

    0:43: A Swift Dip In Your Bank Account. Ray Seafallon. We’re Coneheads. An NSFW Bev? – John explained why Taylor Swift’s concert tour left a hole in his wallet, before the hosts highlighted an opportunity for BevNET Live attendees to meet one-on-one with buyers from major retailers, including Sprouts, and discussed the recently announced partnership between Health-Ade and Ryan Seacrest. They also spoke about what CPG founders might learn from the movie “Air,” the connection between Muddy Bites and muffin tops, whether #steviafree might be a trending term, Jacqui’s “lovelife” and an NA beer/Netflix collaboration.   

    Brands in this episode: Health-Ade, Propel, Barcode, Yesly, Utz, Mike’s Hot Honey, Jarritos, Plezi, Muddy Bites, Vina, De La Calle, Love Life, Neuro, Dune, Vital Proteins, Athletic Brewing, Budweiser, Keystone, Michelob, Zima

    Insider Ep. 103: What Makes A ‘Hot’ Brand? It’s Personal.

    Insider Ep. 103: What Makes A ‘Hot’ Brand? It’s Personal.

    Jing Gao’s mission to “bring uncensored Chinese flavors to the table” has made her brand a hot commodity.

    An award-winning chef and former restaurant owner, Gao is the founder and CEO of Fly By Jing, an innovative brand of Sichuan-inspired sauces and seasonings that launched in 2018 and is known for its modern take on Chinese cuisine.

    In recent months, Gao has overseen a massive spike in demand for the brand’s products, which include a chili crisp, dumpling sauce and mala spice. The surge, driven partly by a New York Times article praising the versatility of the chili crisp, along with the brand’s rabid fan base -- Fly By Jing has over 25,000 Instagram followers -- has put Gao in the enviable, albeit complex, position of managing a very fast-growing company. 

    In an interview included in this episode, Gao discussed the origins of her passion for Chinese food culture and why she set out to create a brand that could elevate consumers’ expectations for the cuisine’s flavors while increasing Americans’ accessibility to high quality Sichuan-inspired condiments. She also discussed the company’s customer acquisition and marketing strategies, the thought process behind  its upcoming rebrand, managing shortfalls in production and how she addressed racist comments posted on the brand’s Instagram page.

    Show notes: 

    0:31: “Star Trek Supernova” > Blue Steel; The Best Of 2020 and Cycling Through A Trademark Battle -- The hosts riffed on Jacqui’s athletic prowess, why you shouldn’t cut your own hair and how entrepreneurs can take the first steps toward winning a BevNET or NOSH Best Of 2020 award. They also discussed why Peloton is angry at Peloton, the upcoming deadline to participate in New Beverage Showdown 20 and Pitch Slam 9, why a recent rebrand had Mike seeing stars and rainbows and why Ray could chug an entire bag of drizzled popcorn.

    20:13: Interview: Jing Gao, Founder/CEO, Fly By Jing -- Gao spoke with BevNET CMO Mike Schneider about why she changed her name from Jing to Jenny and then back again, how her travels to China ignited her interest in traditional Chinese cooking and led her to transition out of the corporate world and into a career in food. She also discussed Fly By Jing’s origins as an underground restaurant concept, the decision to launch a consumer brand and why she was intent on using high quality ingredients for the products, and how she leaned on her network in the U.S. and Canada to achieve the highest funded Kickstarter campaign for a craft food product and build a foundation for its consumer base. Later, she spoke about the company’s success in landing widespread media coverage, launching the brand via e-commerce, facing production and logistical challenges that arose from crushing demand, why creating packaging that was “approachable” was key to the rebrand and what’s next for Fly By Jing. 

    Brands in this episode: Fly By Jing, Don Ciccio & Figli, Solento Tequila, Sweet Chaos, Honey Mama’s, Nuun, Huy Fong

    “It’s Better To Be An Outsider.” How Brett Berish Rewrote The Rules Of Brand Creation.

    “It’s Better To Be An Outsider.”  How Brett Berish Rewrote The Rules Of Brand Creation.

    He’s one of the most successful brand creators in the wine and spirits industry, but, until recently, Brett Berish avoided the limelight. 

    Twenty-two years ago, Berish, whose family has long ties to the spirits business, launched Sovereign Brands, a brand development company that’s responsible for the massively successful super-premium Champagne label, Ace of Spades, and premium cognac D’usse. Hip-hop icon Jay-Z acquired the former in 2014 and also bought a stake in D’usse, which is now co-owned by rum giant Bacardi.

    Sovereign’s reputation for creating winning concepts continued with Luc Belaire, a line of French sparkling wines that, according to measured sales data, is the fastest growing premium sparkling wine brand in the U.S. and the fastest-growing French sparkling wine in the world. The company also owns Bumbu, a critically acclaimed craft rum from Barbados and the best-selling brand in the U.S. premium rum category, as well as McQueen and the Violet Fog, a small-batch gin from Jundiai, Brazil.

    Despite his remarkable success, Berish’s most valuable lessons came from failure. Reflecting upon the gravely  challenging times during his career has motivated him to become a more visible presence in the spirits industry with the aim of mentoring and advising young entrepreneurs about what it takes to persevere amid constant setbacks and struggles.

    In the following interview, Berish chronicled his journey as an entrepreneur, including what he learned from his failed vodka brand, why he urges entrepreneurs to trust their instincts and how innovation and category fit into his philosophy as a brand creator. He also spoke about how he aligned with iconic hip-hop artists, including Rick Ross, to promote and grow Sovereign-owned brands, and why he recently decided to partner with one of the largest wine and spirits companies in the world.

    Show notes:

    0:42: Interview: Brett Berish, Co-Founder, Sovereign Brands – Berish spoke with Taste Radio editor Ray Latif about his family’s lineage in beverage alcohol, his vision of creating 100% agave-based tequila while in high school, the inspiration behind Sovereign and the origins of its name and why he believes the company’s focus has remained the same since its inception. He also discussed why he sold a minority stake in Sovereign to Pernod Ricard, explained why not trusting his instincts led to the demise of his first brand, why hearing “no” motivates him, the importance of establishing  authenticity in celebrity partnerships and why he doesn’t have a specific strategy when it comes to retail channels. Later, he spoke about why he “loves” failure, how he overcame significant financial struggles early into his career and why transparency is the key to communication with his team.

    Brands in this episode: Ace of Spades, D’Usse, Luc Bellaire, Bumbu, McQueen and The Violet Fog

    He Once Dreamed Of Disrupting Multi-Billion Dollar Categories. He No Longer Has To.

    He Once Dreamed Of Disrupting Multi-Billion Dollar Categories. He No Longer Has To.

    Practically as soon as it got off the ground, Dream Pops was already under pressure. Founder and CEO David Greenfeld admits that launching the platform brand of plant-based, indulgent desserts and candy via a direct-to-consumer model – a strategy that almost bankrupted the company – was a mistake. However, lessons learned – and shared – have given Dream Pops a foundation to disrupt multi-billion dollar categories.

    Launched in 2018, the company aims to challenge legacy confectionary brands by giving consumers better-for-you options across four product lines, including its flagship coconut milk-based popsicles and shelf-stable chocolate-coated snacks sweetened with coconut sugar. The brand is sold in over 6,500 stores, including nationally at Whole Foods as well as locations of Wegmans, H.E.B. and Harris Teeter, among others.

    Dream Pops’ innovation and retail strategy is bolstered by its active social media presence, which Greenfeld says “completely changed the trajectory of the company.” Greenfeld has over 44,000 followers on LinkedIn and points to constant engagement on the platform as driving significant interest in Dream Pops among industry professionals. Meanwhile, the brand’s early embrace of TikTok has helped it attract over 181,000 fans and millions of views of its short videos.

    Within this episode, Greenfeld spoke about the origins of Dream Pops, how he navigated a myriad of challenges in the frozen aisle, the duality of better-for-you and indulgent food and how he used the popsicles as a proof of concept and springboard into shelf-stable products. He also explained why every CPG company needs to also be a “content company,” the importance of investing in merchandising and why consistency is the most important aspect of Dream Pops’ social media strategy.  

    Show notes:

    0:42: Interview: David Greenfeld, Founder/CEO, Dream Pops – Greenfeld sat down with Taste Radio   editor Ray Latif and chatted about his experience as a finalist in NOSH Pitch Slam 3, his method and process for gaining followers and influence on Linkedin, and what motivates him to invest in early-stage companies. He also discussed the meaning and importance of the brand name, why he was bullish on the frozen aisle, how the term “plant-based” has evolved in recent years and its impact on the development of Dream Pops. Later, he spoke about the company’s roadmap for innovation and new product development, applying learnings from merchandising in the frozen set to ambient shelves and whether it’s too late for brands to now start incorporating TikTok into their social media strategies.

    Brands in this episode: Dream Pops, Chubby Snacks, Mezcla, KIND Snacks, Butterfinger, Hershey’s, Ferrara, Snickers, Nestle Dibs