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    The Art of Drag with Rory O Neil/Panti Bliss

    enApril 30, 2024

    Podcast Summary

    • Recording a Podcast on Tour: Challenges and SolutionsDealing with hotel noise, unexpected interruptions, and varying acoustics are common challenges when recording a podcast on tour. Understanding microphone and acoustic uniformity, editing skills, and adapting to conditions are essential for creating a high-quality podcast experience.

      Recording a podcast on tour presents numerous challenges, including finding a quiet and consistent recording environment, dealing with unexpected interruptions, and adapting to different acoustics. The speaker in this podcast shares his experiences of recording under various conditions, from underneath duvets in noisy hotels to dealing with fire alarms and hoovering cleaners. He also reflects on the marvel of editing and the importance of understanding microphone and acoustic uniformity to create a high-quality podcast. Additionally, he shares an interesting historical anecdote about the IRA's use of VHS technology to attempt an assassination in a hotel where a political conference was being held. Despite the difficulties, the speaker remains determined to deliver an intimate and immaculate podcast experience for his audience.

    • Margaret Thatcher's Role in State Terrorism in Northern IrelandThrough podcasting, the speaker sheds light on Margaret Thatcher's involvement in state terrorism during the conflict in Northern Ireland, and the ongoing search for justice for victims' families.

      The discussion highlighted the complex and violent history of the conflict in Northern Ireland during the 1980s, involving terrorist acts by the IRA and the British government's response through the Force Research Unit. Margaret Thatcher's involvement in state terrorism, which resulted in the murder of civilians and human rights activists, is a lesser-known but significant aspect of this conflict. The use of technology, such as podcasting, allows for new ways of storytelling and editing, making it possible to create a seamless narrative that can span multiple locations and time periods. However, it's important to acknowledge the ongoing search for justice for the families of those killed during this time, and the need for honesty and accountability from governments and political leaders. The speaker's personal connection to the events and his ability to write with his mouth through podcasting adds a unique and engaging perspective to the discussion.

    • Exploring unconventional methods for captivating podcastsPassionate creators can deliver unique, engaging content by exploring unconventional methods and asking unconventional questions, even when recording on the road or using unconventional equipment.

      The unique process and experiences of the podcast creator, despite the challenges, are the reasons for the podcast's existence and listeners' engagement. The creator's passion for the craft and freedom to explore it, even if it involves recording on the road or unconventional methods, leads to captivating conversations and insights. For instance, the upcoming live podcast with Rory O'Neill, a famous Irish drag performer, delves into the art of drag and the history of gay culture in Ireland, offering a fresh perspective. By asking unconventional questions and focusing on unexplored aspects of his subjects, the creator provides listeners with valuable and engaging content.

    • Drag as a form of artistic rebellion against societal normsDrag empowers individuals to challenge gender roles and express themselves freely through performance, offering a sense of freedom and anonymity.

      Drag, as a form of artistic expression, allows individuals to challenge societal norms and rebel against rigid gender roles. The speaker, who is a drag performer, emphasizes that anyone can ask the same questions to a drag persona as they would to the performer in real life, and the answers may be similar but more colorful. Drag has been historically associated with individuals who are oppressed by the gender system and want to express themselves differently. The speaker also shares how they have started to view their personal choices, such as wearing a plastic bag as a form of artistic protest, as a form of drag rebellion against societal rules that don't work for them. Drag offers a sense of freedom and anonymity, allowing performers to be someone else for a time and then return to their real lives unrecognized. The speaker finds joy in the ability to surprise people and subvert expectations.

    • The Experience of Being a Public Figure vs. a Private Individual for a Drag PerformerDrag performer Panty enjoys the connections and freedom of private life, but the attention and scrutiny of public life can be exhausting and amplify interactions. Balancing both is crucial.

      The experience of being a public figure versus a private individual can be vastly different. For someone like Panty, who uses drag as a way to express herself and connect with others, the attention and expectations that come with fame can be both exhilarating and exhausting. When she's in her everyday life, she values the effort required to build connections and the freedom to not conform to societal norms. However, when she's performing as Panty, she becomes a magnet for attention and scrutiny, which can amplify even minor interactions and make it harder to maintain a sense of privacy. Additionally, the presence of tourists in queer spaces, while not inherently problematic, can raise complex questions about the role and purpose of these spaces in the larger queer community. Ultimately, Panty's experience highlights the importance of finding a balance between embracing the joys of public life and preserving the freedom and authenticity of private life.

    • Queer spaces and their importance for marginalized communitiesThe inclusivity and atmosphere of queer spaces, like those where drag performances occur, are essential for providing a sense of freedom and empowerment for individuals who have historically faced oppression. Drag performances offer a powerful form of resistance and a testament to the courage and beauty of the art form.

      The atmosphere and inclusivity of queer spaces, such as those where hen parties engage in drag performances, are crucial for their authenticity and the sense of freedom and empowerment they provide for individuals who have historically faced oppression. The performers' ability to celebrate their "faggotry" and turn it into something bigger and more outrageous is a powerful form of resistance and a testament to the courage and beauty of drag as an art form. For individuals on the autism spectrum, who may also face unique challenges in navigating social norms and expressing their identities, the connection between the experiences of being queer and autistic can offer a sense of solidarity and understanding.

    • Suppressing natural behaviors and expressionsIndividuals may hide their true selves due to societal expectations, leading to relief and exaggerated expression once they feel safe. Acceptance and safe spaces are crucial for true self-expression.

      Societal expectations and norms can lead individuals, particularly those who identify as LGBTQ+ or neurodivergent, to suppress their natural behaviors and expressions. This suppression can lead to a sense of relief and exaggerated expression of identity once these individuals feel safe enough to be themselves. The speaker shares his personal experience of hiding his gay identity in school and later expressing it openly, comparing it to the experience of some people diagnosed with autism later in life. He also mentions how he used comedy and performance to cope with the challenges he faced in his youth. Overall, the discussion highlights the importance of acceptance and creating safe spaces for individuals to express their true selves without fear of judgment or reprisal.

    • Discovering the LGBTQ+ Community in Secret IrelandBefore Ireland's homosexuality legalization in 1993, the LGBTQ+ community had to hide and rely on rumors to connect, but the legalization led to openness, acceptance, and normalization.

      Before the legalization of homosexuality in Ireland in 1993, the LGBTQ+ community had to hide their identities and socialize in secret due to societal oppression and fear of persecution. Finding other queer individuals was a challenge, and they had to rely on rumors and small ads in gay magazines to connect with each other. The first meeting Rory attended was uncomfortable and terrifying, but it led him to discover the LGBTQ+ community and experience a sense of belonging. The legalization of homosexuality in 1993 allowed the LGBTQ+ community to come out of the shadows and live openly, leading to the normalization of queer spaces and acceptance in society.

    • Finding acceptance and community in Dublin's queer sceneDespite the challenges and risks, embracing one's identity and finding community can lead to joy and pride, as seen in the speaker's experiences during Dublin's queer scene in the late eighties and early nineties.

      The speaker's experiences of being a gay man in Dublin during the late eighties and early nineties were isolating and lonely, but over time, he learned to embrace his identity and find community. Despite the challenges and risks, he found joy in discovering underground queer spaces and the music scene, which helped him feel less alone. Now, he looks back on those experiences with pride and finds thrill in seeing younger generations living openly and freely. The speaker's perspective highlights the importance of finding acceptance and community, even in the face of adversity, and the transformative power of embracing one's identity. Additionally, the speaker's reflections on the changing social landscape and the importance of not caring what others think echoes the idea that life is a roller coaster, with its ups and downs, but ultimately, one will be okay.

    • Queer culture in Ireland's clubs during the 80s and 90sThe underground queer scene in Ireland during the 80s and 90s offered a rebellious escape from societal norms, with electronic music leading the way.

      The queer scene in Ireland during the 80s and 90s was characterized by a unique blend of underground culture and rebellion against societal norms. The basement of clubs was a place of darkness and hedonism, while the upstairs maintained a more orderly and refined atmosphere. The music was ahead of the mainstream, with electronic artists like Patrick Cowley leading the way. However, the scene has evolved, and while trans artists are now making waves, some people yearn for the sense of outsider status and creative freedom that being queer once offered. The experience of being queer was a liberating escape from societal expectations, and though things have changed, some still cherish the memories of that time.

    • The Evolution of LGBTQ+ Identity and CommunityThe LGBTQ+ community has come a long way from the dangerous and radical early days, but some older members may miss the excitement and sense of community. Progress is important, but remembering and honoring history is essential.

      The experience of being part of the LGBTQ+ community and expressing one's identity has evolved significantly over the years. What was once a dangerous and radical act, requiring a certain level of rebellion and defiance, has become more normalized and accepted in society. While this is a positive development, some people, particularly older members of the community, may miss the excitement and sense of community that came with the early days of the LGBTQ+ rights movement. Additionally, the commercialization of events like Pride parades can dilute their original meaning and impact for some individuals. Ultimately, while progress is important, it's essential to remember and honor the history and experiences that have shaped the LGBTQ+ community.

    • Appreciating Mothers on Mother's DayCelebrate Mother's Day with heartfelt gifts, like a handmade otter ocarina, or through services like 1-800-Flowers and Whole Foods Market. Listeners can support the podcast through Patreon.

      The podcast episode discussed the importance of showing appreciation to mothers this Mother's Day. The speaker shared a heartfelt story about receiving a handmade otter ocarina as a gift in Brighton. He also highlighted the various ways to celebrate Mother's Day through 1-800-Flowers and Whole Foods Market. The episode was supported by listeners through Patreon, emphasizing the listener-funded nature of the podcast. The speaker also mentioned upcoming gigs, including a live podcast in Vicar Street, and a discussion about the history of drag. However, the conversation was interrupted by a call about Irish indigenous gender fluidity, leading to an unexpected and passionate debate. Overall, the episode showcased the speaker's unique storytelling style and the various ways to celebrate Mother's Day.

    • Beliefs surrounding gender and spirituality in various culturesFrom Ireland's Aran Islands to ancient Irish traditions, examining gender and spirituality in different cultures uncovers unique practices and insights, like dressing children in opposite gender clothing to protect them from fairies or male-on-male nipple sucking as a symbol of a king's connection to the land as the goddess.

      Throughout history and in various cultures, there have been unique and intriguing practices surrounding gender and spirituality. For instance, in the Aran Islands of Ireland, poutine makers believed in the existence of fairies and thought their children could be replaced by these supernatural beings if they didn't confuse them. As a result, they dressed their children in opposite gender clothing to protect them. This belief is an example of the complex relationship between folklore, gender, and fear. Moreover, in many primitive cultures, the medicine man, often seen as a marginalized figure in modern society, was revered for embodying both the feminine and masculine aspects of the divine. This perspective challenged the societal norms of the time and highlights the importance of understanding the historical context of various cultural practices. Another fascinating discovery is the ancient Irish tradition of male-on-male nipple sucking, which was a symbol of a king's connection to the land as the goddess. This practice, which dates back thousands of years, offers an intriguing insight into the spiritual and symbolic significance of the male body in ancient Irish culture. These examples demonstrate that the exploration of gender, spirituality, and cultural practices throughout history can reveal surprising and thought-provoking insights.

    • Challenging societal norms in artSaint Patrick defied expectations, art college encouraged personal experiences, and non-traditional figures influenced creativity.

      Art and creativity often challenge societal norms and expectations. This was evident in the story of Saint Patrick, who refused to conform to the senior Irish fishermen's request to suck their tits as a sign of respect and seniority. Similarly, during the speaker's time at art college, they were encouraged to bring their personal experiences and creations into their work, despite initial resistance. The influence of non-traditional figures, like the Australian performance artist Lee Bowery, also played a significant role in shaping the speaker's perspective on art and self-expression. Overall, the discussions highlight the importance of embracing unconventional ideas and pushing boundaries in both art and life.

    • Meeting Leigh Bowery ignited the speaker's passion for drag and performance artEncountering Leigh Bowery's flamboyant persona inspired the speaker to break free from corporate design and pursue their wildest ideas, leading to a successful drag career in Japan

      Encountering the flamboyant and inspiring Leigh Bowery during a summer in the 1990s shifted the speaker's perspective on their creative aspirations. Before meeting Leigh, the speaker felt confined by their background and was designing corporate boxes. However, Leigh's achingly cool and brilliant persona inspired the speaker to break free from their limitations and pursue their wildest, most eccentric ideas. This led the speaker to create a drag show as their final project in college, despite initial skepticism from their professors. The experience of making a fool of themselves in public solidified their passion for drag and performance art. In the following years, they experimented with nonsensical costumes and props, eventually leading them to Japan where they refined their drag character and performed in Japanese clubs. Despite facing challenges with language and cultural differences, the speaker found success as a foreign drag queen alongside an American queen named Lurleen Wallace. Their unique selling point, being foreign drag queens, became the foundation of their act.

    • Origins of Drag Performers' NamesPerformers' names reveal insights into their backgrounds, influences, and experiences. Candy Panty's name reflects foreignness, kawaii aesthetic, and ease of pronunciation. Blind by Boat Club's name is influenced by blues musicians and unexpected tax requirement.

      The names of performers, whether in music or drag, often have interesting origins. For Candy Panty and Blind by Boat Club, their names came from their experiences abroad and the need for easy pronunciation and relatability for their audiences. Candy Panty's name was inspired by the kawaii aesthetic, foreignness, and ease of pronunciation, while Blind by Boat Club's name was influenced by the blues musicians he admired and the unexpected requirement to provide a family name for tax purposes. The origins of names can reveal insights into the performers' backgrounds and influences, and sometimes, as in the case of Willie Ninja, they may be influenced by unexpected sources like Chinese martial arts films. Overall, the names of performers serve as an essential part of their brand and identity, reflecting their experiences, influences, and personalities.

    • Exploring the Impact of 'Paris is Burning' on Drag CultureThe groundbreaking documentary 'Paris is Burning' introduced influential figures like Dorian Corey and popularized drag culture and its language, while the Club Kids scene added to its vibrancy and influence, shaping a queer subculture that left a lasting impact.

      The movie "Paris is Burning," released in the early 1990s, played a significant role in popularizing drag culture and the language associated with it, such as "shade." The film, which was set in the ball scene of New York City, introduced many influential figures, including Dorian Corey, who became famous for her explanations of ball culture. Dorian's legacy took an unexpected turn when her mummified body was discovered in her apartment with a note suggesting she had killed an intruder. The Club Kids scene in New York, which featured Irish expatriate Kenny Kenny, was also a part of this vibrant and influential queer subculture. Overall, "Paris is Burning" served as a rite of passage for anyone involved in drag and provided a glimpse into a world that seemed far removed from the mainstream.

    • Complexities of Irish IdentityPeople can distance themselves from their past, but later rediscover it. Irish expats faced unique challenges during the Celtic Tiger years.

      The speaker had a complicated relationship with their Irish identity, particularly during a time when they lived and worked in Japan. They went to great lengths to avoid interacting with Irish people, even on Saint Patrick's Day. However, upon returning to Ireland during the Celtic Tiger years, they found a sense of connection and reengaged with their Irish heritage. The speaker's experience highlights the complexities of identity and the ways in which people can distance themselves from their past, only to later rediscover it. Additionally, the speaker's story offers insight into the experiences of Irish expats and the challenges they faced during the economic boom and subsequent crash.

    • From a death sentence to a manageable conditionHIV is now a manageable condition with one pill a day, similar to diabetes. People living with HIV can expect the same life expectancy as anyone else.

      HIV, once a death sentence in 1995, is now a manageable condition similar to diabetes. The speaker, diagnosed with HIV in 1995, shares his experience of the transformation from a miserable and isolating disease to one where people can live normal lives with just one pill a day. The speaker emphasizes that HIV is no longer a dark topic but a good news story, and he encourages education to reduce stigma. The speaker takes a pill every day to keep HIV suppressed and noninfectious, and the advancement of medication means that people with HIV can expect the same life expectancy as anyone else. The speaker differentiates between PrEP and the regular medication he takes, explaining that PrEP is a preventative measure taken after potential exposure to HIV. Overall, the speaker's message is one of hope and normalcy for people living with HIV.

    • Long journey to acceptance of HIV medicationsThe stigma surrounding HIV causes more harm than the disease itself, encouraging open discussions from those in privileged positions can help reduce it.

      The discovery and acceptance of life-saving HIV medications was a long and gradual process, marked by continuous refinement and improvement. The lack of a "ta da" moment in the news contributed to the persistent stigma surrounding HIV, preventing many people from openly discussing their condition even with close friends and family. This stigma, rather than the disease itself, is what causes significant harm and isolation for those living with HIV. To combat this, those in more privileged positions are encouraged to openly discuss their status and reduce the stigma, paving the way for greater acceptance and understanding for all.

    • Impact of societal norms on entertainers like Danny LaRueSocietal norms significantly influenced the lives and careers of entertainers like Danny LaRue, bringing acceptance and rejection, and shaping their experiences with both success and hardships.

      The social norms of the past, which may seem horrendous by today's standards, significantly impacted the lives and careers of individuals like Danny LaRue, a famous drag queen from Cork, Ireland. LaRue rose to fame in the UK during the 1960s and 1970s, becoming the highest-paid entertainer on British Television and breaking boundaries with his performances. However, despite his success, he faced challenges and hardships, including being conned out of his money in his later years. His story highlights the complexities and contradictions of mainstream society during that time, where acceptance and rejection coexisted. It's a reminder of how societal norms evolve and how they shape the lives of individuals, often leaving a mix of beauty and sadness in their wake.

    • Understanding the Complexity of DragDrag is a diverse and complex art form with a rich history and various performers, from Mrs. Brown to Twink, making significant impacts. It's important to remember that broad generalizations and irrelevant information should be rejected when discussing issues related to drag and its performers.

      The drag community is diverse and complex, with individuals like Mrs. Brown not being considered true drag performers despite being popular in the scene. Irish drag artists, such as Lily Savage and Twink, have made significant impacts on television and live performances. Twink, in particular, is beloved for her dramatic and over-the-top performances. However, dealing with criticism and attempts to delegitimize arguments can be frustrating, especially when it involves conflating different issues. It's essential to remember that broad generalizations, such as assuming all Muslims believe the same things about LGBTQ+ people, are inaccurate and harmful. Instead, we should focus on the clear issues at hand and reject attempts to muddy the waters with irrelevant or misleading information.

    • Social media's emotional manipulation and the importance of authenticitySocial media platforms profit from emotional reactions, leading to arguments and misunderstandings. Be mindful of this and have important conversations in person. Introduce queer issues into non-queer spaces without tokenism, even if the motivation is cynical. Authenticity is crucial in activism and inclusion.

      Social media platforms are designed to provoke emotional reactions, often leading to arguments and misunderstandings. These platforms make money from our data, which is essentially our behavior, and they thrive on high arousal emotions such as anger and fear. Therefore, it's essential to be aware of this and avoid getting drawn into heated debates online. Instead, try having these conversations in person, where they can be more productive and less emotionally charged. Another key takeaway is the importance of introducing queer people and queer issues into non-queer spaces without tokenism. This can be a challenging issue, especially in religious or conservative communities. However, it's crucial to remember that even if the motivation for introducing queer issues is cynical, it's still progress. In the past, queer people were often ignored or even persecuted, so any recognition or acceptance, no matter how small, is worth celebrating. Lastly, the discussion touched on the topic of performative activism and the importance of authenticity. It's essential to be aware of performative actions and to strive for genuine inclusion and acceptance. Overall, the conversation highlighted the importance of being aware of the motivations behind actions and the potential impact of our words and actions on others.

    • Progress can come with cynicismDespite potential ulterior motives, progress towards diversity and inclusion is valuable, and individuals can make a positive impact within their own spheres of influence.

      While it's important for organizations to embrace diversity and inclusion, it's understandable that their motivations may not always be pure. The speaker acknowledges that some companies may participate in Pride events or other diversity initiatives out of pressure to keep up with the times and attract young talent, rather than genuine acceptance and support. However, the speaker argues that the end result – increased visibility and understanding of LGBTQ+ issues – is still valuable, even if the motivations behind it are cynical. The speaker also encourages individuals to focus on making a positive impact within their own spheres of influence, rather than worrying too much about the motivations of larger institutions. In the context of the speaker's personal situation, they encourage embracing queer-led initiatives and introducing queer people to young colleagues, while not worrying too much about the motivations of their religious sponsors. Overall, the speaker emphasizes the importance of progress, even if it comes with some level of cynicism.

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    012 Kinsale Walks and Ghost Tour

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    Segment 1- Mindie

     

    Kinsale – County Cork – off the coast of southern Ireland

     

    Kinsale isn’t a thin place… sometimes you need to relax and rejuvenate and have fun. Most lovers of thin places and liminal spaces also love history and stories of local people – heroes, villains – and Kinsale is very rich in history that impacted the evolvement of society in the western world with the famous “Battle of Kinsale.”

    Kinsale has two historic forts, Charles and James Forts. And so many other bits of interesting history.

     

    Kinsale is of my favorite towns for relaxing.  I love the vibe.  The town is clean, vibrant It’s an art and foodie town. The people are friendly. It’s totally walkable and everywhere you look is color and light.

     

    When you go to Kinsale a good way to get your bearings is to go on a tour guided by Don or Barry – on Don and Barry’s Historic Strolls. I was lucky enough to get an interview with Barry when I was in Kinsale recently.

     

    segment 2 – guest interview

     

    Barry Moloney – Don and Barry’s Kinsale Historic Stroll

     

    Don and Barry’s Historic Stroll in Kinsale offers a walking tour full of history and interesting information about this seaside town in County Cork.

     

     

    SEGMENT 3– Kinsale ghost tour

     

    There are a few consistently operated ghost tours in Ireland.  Being the owner of a ghost tour company here in the states, I always like to see what other companies and groups do when crafting and putting on a ghost tour. I’ve been on the ghost tour in Belfast and the Ghost Bus in Dublin.  Both were great experiences through very different.

     

    Kinsale has an interesting ghost tour.  The term Ghost tour is so subjective. It can have multiple definitions in people’s minds. People can perceive ghost tours as anything from paranormal investigations to history walks to people dressed in character leading a theatrical performance. 

     

    Kinsale ghost tour is that kind of ghost tour – a performance and it’s quite comedic.  Two actors, Brian O’Neill and Don Herlihy dress in character and lead their group of guests around the historic Kinsale town center and recount stories of ghosts and historical figures in way that keeps the guests’ attention and keeps guests laughing. This performance is so well done. And there are some elements of surprise.

     

    The tour starts at Kinsale’s oldest tavern - the Tap Tavern, which has been owned by Brian O’Neill’s family since 1886.  His mother, Mary O’Neill still owns it today and she and Brian manage the operations. Mary is often there when guests gather for the ghost tour. I had the pleasure of meeting her while I waited to speak to Brian.

     

    The tour takes about 90 minutes. It covers all the interesting parts of the town and it is very entertaining. An evening well spent.

     

    Don’t miss it if you’re in Kinsale.

     

    Kinsale Ghost Tours

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    Ard Mohr means Great Height

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    Ardmore is a thin place. I guess I sense the thinness of a place on the approach. Maybe there’s something about the round tower, maybe something about the old ruins. But as you climb the hill to the old monastic ruins you get a jolt of something when the round tower comes into view. It’s a seaside town with a beautiful beach and sheltered bay. It’s a resort town for tourists with stunning views of the bay and a cliff walk above the town.

    There are also ecclesiastical ruins in Ardmore are associated with St. Declan, a 5th-century saint who established this monastic community here on a hill at Ardmore… in fact the name Ard Mor – means “Great Height.”

    The devotional stops in Ardmore are traveled by pilgrims and associated with St. Declan. They include the ecclesiastical ruins up on the hill, a holy well, and a large stone on the beach.

    According to one of the Lives written about him, St. Declan was born in this region and later went to Rome and became a bishop. He left Rome and returned to County Waterford - - to Ardmore with plans to build a monastery. However, he left without his bell. A bishop’s bell was similar to his crozier. A symbol of his authority. But because Declan was so special and so blessed, the angels set his bell afloat on a stone that traveled all the way across the sea to Ardmore. It still sits on the beach. It’s a large stone sitting atop two smaller ones and the stone is said to have curative powers for those who crawl under it.

    That would be a task.

    But these old legends were begun in a different and told to people who have a different perspective. Thinking patterns were very abstract. The meaning of the story was rooted in the understanding that an object could connect people in this world to the powers and graces of the eternal world.

    Maybe that connection brought healing. Maybe it brought wisdom. But being close to these sacred monuments elevates our awareness and spiritual vibration. I’ve stood by that stone and thought about the stories and all the pilgrims who have stood in the same place. I’ve even found one small stone in the shape of a heart on that rocky beach around St. Declan’s stone that I brought home with me. Holding it in my hand 3000 miles away from Ardmore can take me back there in my mind. There is value in these thin places.

    From the stone on the beach, the pilgrims travel up the main road where there is access to a path that turns into a gorgeous cliff walk. On the path is St. Declan’s Holy well. It is a beautiful spot. The well has clean water (also said to have curative powers) and a little shrine has been built around it with stone. It has an opening for the well and then three stone crosses atop. Actually, that’s only two now. The crosses were said to represent Calvary. One cross on the left for the unrepentant thief, a high cross in the middle to represent Jesus and a cross on the right to represent the repentant thief. Sadly, the cross representing the unrepentant thief has vanished. The locals say it was stolen. … which is ironic.

    Farther past the well is a pathway that winds along the cliffs with spectacular views of the bay and ocean.

    Then atop the hill behind the village are the remains of an old monastery. The buildings date back to the eighth century and were placed atop the site where Declan had his monastery in the 5th century. Those building – likely made of wood are long gone.

    The oldest of the ruins is St. Declan’s oratory which is said to have been erected overtop the remains of the saint. There is also a 12th century round tower which is in beautiful shape. It’s about 100 feet high, which is typical for round towers. Human remains were found facing east below the Ardmore’s round tower, which indicates that it was built over graves in a graveyard. There’s a sorrowful tale associated with the round tower. It was a refuge for Irish being pursued by English forces. About 20 of them were holed up in the tower on various floors. They surrendered and were all hanged.

    There’s also a roofless 13th-century church ruin with a giant 8th century carving from an earlier church attached to the gable wall. The carving nearly spans the width of the gable wall and the designs are similar to what you see on high crosses. There’s an image of Adam and Eve, Gift of the Magi and of the Judgement of Solomon. These were likely used for teaching the local people about the faith.

    I stood in front of the Gable wall and pointed out the carving to my tour group and they like most visitors, thought the carvings were beautiful. But when I told the story of the Judgement of Solomon to the group in front of the carving, there was a moment of transformation.

    I said … "You remember the story. Two women claim to be mother to the same baby and they go to King Solomon to get him to resolve the matter. King Solomon said, since you two can’t agree, I will cut the baby in half and give each of you a share. He called for his swordsman to do the deed and one of the women cried out, 'No. Don’t. The child is not mine.' And pointing to the other woman said, 'She is the real mother.' Solomon in his wisdom knew that this woman who was speaking had to be the baby’s rightful mother because only a mother’s love would be so unselfish as to sacrifice her own her own happiness and endure almost unbearable sorrow in order to save her child.

    So, Solomon made his judgment and gave the child to the woman who cried out.

    At the end of the story, the etched images in the gable wall seemed to have so much more depth, meaning. There’s something about marrying the spoken word of a sacred story to a physical image that represents the story. Something greater than the sum of those two elements grows. It becomes an experience. One of the guests said she imagined the artist, what he was thinking as he carved those images so long ago - - and she wondered if he ever imagined people would be admiring his work ten centuries after he carved it. It was such a powerful moment for all of us.

    Inside the church ruins in a little niche is a very well-preserved ogham stone. This is a tall stone with old Irish writing that consists of etch marks along the sides. These were often personal inscriptions… the name of the person etching the stone – a mark of memory to leave behind.

    Ardmore may not be one of the top sights that pilgrims seek out, but it’s every bit as powerful as the other sacred sites.

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    Identity, nationalism, and fatherhood

    Identity, nationalism, and fatherhood
    Michael Brendan Dougherty is a senior writer at National Review and the author of My Father Left Me Ireland, a moving, lyrical memoir about fatherhood and identity. It’s also a stirring defense of nationalism, an attack on wonks, and a critique of some of the core assumptions of liberal modernity. When I opened it, I didn’t expect it to be quite so on point to my interests. But here we are. This conversation starts a little slow, but it accelerates into an exploration of some of the biggest questions this podcast has approached. What’s the purpose of the nation-state? Where does identity come from? What kinds of historical inheritances matter? How do human beings discipline their emotions and intuitions without losing their souls? When is violent revolution or resistance merited? And what does it mean to be a wonk? One of the nice things about a conversation like this is it required both of us to articulate and defend some core beliefs that often go unquestioned. So there’s a lot here, including, at about the 32nd minute, probably the clearest description of my moral approach that I’ve offered on this podcast. Enjoy! Recommended books: The Everlasting Man by G.K. Chesterton Political Writings and Speechesby Patrick Pearse The Machiavellians: Defenders of Freedom by James Burnham  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices