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    The Magnificent Seven: What if Big Tech Starts to Shrink?

    enNovember 08, 2023

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    • Tech Giants Fueling S&P 500's ReturnsThe US fosters and scales tech companies, enabling their growth and global expansion through a strong VC ecosystem and necessary capital. Tech giants like Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, Meta, Microsoft, Nvidia, and Tesla have thrived due to their ability to innovate, pivot effectively, and provide affordable services for businesses to scale.

      The seven tech giants, Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, Meta (Facebook), Microsoft, Nvidia, and Tesla, have been the main drivers of the S&P 500's returns this year. Their success can be attributed to the US's ability to foster and scale tech companies, providing the necessary capital and encouraging VC ecosystem. These companies have managed to grow their profits in line with their narratives and pivot effectively, creating an ecosystem that enables businesses to thrive and go global. Despite criticisms of rentier capitalism, these companies primarily enable other businesses to scale affordably. While they may charge fees for their services, they do not necessarily overcharge. The dominance of these tech giants may continue due to their ability to innovate and adapt.

    • Tech Giants' Profitable Cloud ServicesDespite potential headwinds from high valuations and margin compression, tech giants' profitable cloud services ensure significant operating income and insulation against market declines.

      The seven tech giants, including Amazon, Microsoft, and Google, have seen remarkable growth in profits due to their high-margin cloud services, which account for a significant portion of their operating income. These companies have become indispensable parts of the business world, with Amazon Web Services and Microsoft Azure leading the way. However, their high valuations, as indicated by their price-to-earnings ratios, could be a concern for investors. If these companies were to be valued at the average price-to-earnings ratio of the S&P 500, the index could experience a potential decline of around 11%. Despite this, the tech giants' substantial profit margins provide some insulation against this potential headwind. Additionally, the commoditization of cloud services could put pressure on these companies' margins in the future. Overall, while the tech giants have been incredibly successful, their valuations and the potential for margin compression are worth keeping an eye on.

    • Even the most successful companies can fade from prominenceHistorically, companies like IBM and Eastman Kodak have lost their dominance due to disruptions and societal changes. Current tech giants must adapt and innovate to sustain their success.

      While the Magnificent Seven tech companies - Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Alphabet, Facebook, Tesla, and NVIDIA - currently dominate the market with impressive profit margins, history shows that even the most successful companies can eventually fade from prominence due to disruptions and societal changes. For instance, IBM was once the top tech company in 1967, but it failed to adapt to the shift towards personal computers and was eventually surpassed by competitors. Similarly, Eastman Kodak ceased to exist due to the disruption caused by digital cameras and smartphones. While some companies, like Microsoft, have been around for decades and can adapt to changes, it's challenging for large companies to keep up with rapid technological advancements and societal shifts. The profit margins of these companies, particularly NVIDIA, are high due to their unique positions in their respective markets, but they may not be sustainable in the long run as competition intensifies. Ultimately, the key to sustaining success is the ability to adapt and innovate in the face of disruptions and societal changes.

    • Companies with strong balance sheets and high operating leverage perform well during economic downturnsCompanies with fixed costs and low marginal costs, like Microsoft, can significantly increase profits with increased sales, while companies with rising costs per sale, like Walmart, experience less dramatic profit changes. Cost-cutting measures, such as layoffs, can boost operating leverage but may negatively impact talent acquisition and retention.

      During economic downturns, companies with strong balance sheets and high operating leverage may outperform the rest of the market. Microsoft, as an example of a high operating leverage company, has a fixed cost base and low marginal costs, meaning that increased sales lead to significant profit growth. Conversely, companies like Walmart, with low operating leverage, have costs that rise in tandem with sales, resulting in less dramatic profit changes. However, reducing costs by laying off employees can increase a company's operating leverage and improve profits, but it's crucial to consider the potential impact on talent acquisition and retention.

    • Tech Industry's AI Investments: High Costs, Uncertain ProfitsMicrosoft leads AI investment wave, partnering with OpenAI, but profits uncertain due to high costs and competition from chipmakers and international competitors.

      The tech industry's push towards artificial intelligence (AI) is leading to significant upfront costs due to the need for specialized hardware and the labor of skilled workers. Companies like Microsoft, which are at the forefront of AI development, are investing heavily in this infrastructure and reaping high profits from chip manufacturers like NVIDIA. However, the success of these investments remains uncertain, making it a potentially risky endeavor. Microsoft, which has historically been slow to adopt new technologies, is currently leading the charge with its Copilot system and partnership with OpenAI. While AI has the potential to be world-changing, it's still early days, and it remains to be seen who will reap the greatest returns. The competition is fierce, and there are potential competitors from beyond the US shores.

    • Historical industries' dominance disrupted by advancementsTech giants' monopolies may not last as societal changes, trends, and tech advancements disrupt their businesses, with EVs and renewable energy being current examples.

      The dominance of tech giants like Google, Meta, Alphabet, Microsoft, and Amazon, with their monopolistic hold on various markets, may not continue as societal changes, trends, and advancements in technology could disrupt their businesses. The historical perspective shows that companies with strong infrastructure dependent on dominant industries, such as oil, steel, and rubber in the 20th century, have been replaced by the rise of electric vehicles (EVs) and the shift towards renewable energy. The US is currently lagging behind China and South Korea in the EV market. Furthermore, the current valuations of these tech companies are overinflated, and a market correction could occur if they fail to meet expectations or if there's a global economic slowdown. Additionally, the lead times for AI and other technological innovations are shortening, making it easier for competitors to catch up. Therefore, it's crucial for these tech giants to adapt and innovate to maintain their competitive edge.

    • Short-term challenges for tech giants: Weakening ad market, tight monetary policy, and currency effectsTech giants face short-term challenges from a weakening ad market, tight monetary policy, and currency effects, which can impact revenue and profits. Long-term, their scale and saturated markets may lead to slower growth. Adapting to societal changes and innovating are crucial for continued success.

      Tech giants Meta, Alphabet, Netflix, Apple, and Amazon are currently facing several challenges, both in the short and long term. In the short term, they are dealing with signs of a weakening advertising market, tight monetary policy affecting services, and currency effects due to a strong US dollar. These issues can significantly impact their revenue and profits. However, over the longer term, the sheer scale of these companies and their saturated markets may lead to slower growth. Adapting to societal changes and pivoting quickly when necessary will also be crucial for their continued success. Despite these challenges, proper hedging of currency risks can help mitigate some of the short-term financial impacts. It's important for investors to consider both the operating business and currency effects when evaluating these companies. Ultimately, their ability to innovate and adapt to new industries will determine their long-term growth potential.

    • Large tech companies face risks of market saturation and competitionTech companies like Facebook face challenges of market saturation and intense competition, with revenue growth depending on generating more income per user and potential disruption from unexpected competitors or regulation.

      The tech industry, specifically large tech companies, face significant challenges to their continued growth. Two major risks include saturation of markets and intense competition. Companies like Facebook have reached a point where they've nearly tapped out their user base, and their revenue growth depends on generating more income per user. Competition, whether from other tech giants or new entrants, can emerge unexpectedly and disrupt established market leaders. Regulation is another significant risk, with governments increasingly scrutinizing and challenging anticompetitive practices. This could potentially prevent companies from acquiring new competitors and expanding their ecosystems. China, in particular, could pose a significant threat if its tech products gain enough consumer trust and outcompete US software as a service companies. Ultimately, the tech landscape is constantly evolving, and companies must stay agile and adapt to these shifting trends and challenges to maintain their market position.

    • Regulators Block NVIDIA-Arm Takeover, Challenges for Tech MonopoliesRegulators are scrutinizing tech mergers, Microsoft and Apple are predicted to remain top S&P 500 companies, smartphones and AI technology are expected to stay dominant consumer tech products

      Regulators are becoming more vigilant against tech monopolies and mergers, as shown by the blocked NVIDIA-Arm takeover. History suggests that dominant companies may not be broken up, but new competitors, especially from countries like China and South Korea, pose significant threats. Based on the discussion, it's predicted that Microsoft and Apple, with their long-standing presence and strong consumer brands, respectively, will likely still be among the top 10 companies in the S&P 500 in a decade. The smartphone, and by extension Apple, is also expected to remain a dominant consumer tech product. Microsoft's lead in AI technology is another reason for its prediction to survive.

    • The average lifespan of companies is decreasingCompanies, especially multinationals, have a shorter lifespan today compared to the past due to various factors including cultural differences, expansion, and internal disputes.

      Companies, even the giants, don't last forever. They can cease to exist through bankruptcy, mergers, or buyouts. In the UK, for instance, around 12% of all companies disappear each year. Among the FTSE 100 companies from 1984, only 24 were still present in 2012. The average lifespan of S&P 500 companies has drastically decreased from 61 years in 1958 to less than 18 years in 2016. However, this trend isn't consistent across all countries. In Japan, for example, there are numerous companies that have been around for over a thousand years due to cultural differences and their family-run nature. These companies often prioritize community over expansion and multinational status, making it easier for them to survive. Conversely, larger multinational corporations face challenges in maintaining their size due to the immense energy required to keep them together and the internal disputes that can distract from focusing on customers.

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