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    The Pros and Cons of The 529 With Sean Mullaney

    en-usDecember 25, 2023

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    • Consider investment objectives and risks before investing in real estate through FundriseWeighing the pros and cons of 529 plans for education savings, they offer tax benefits but may not be the best fit for all situations due to use restrictions and potential penalties for non-qualified withdrawals. Always consult a financial advisor for personalized advice.

      While real estate investment through Fundrise offers an attractive opportunity during falling prices, it's essential to consider the investment objectives and risks before investing. Meanwhile, securing life insurance coverage through Policygenius can provide financial peace of mind for families. In the world of education savings, the 529 plan has its advantages but also disadvantages, as discussed with Sean Mullaney. While the 529 plan offers tax benefits and state tax advantages, it may not be the best fit for all situations due to use restrictions and potential penalties for non-qualified withdrawals. As always, it's crucial to weigh the pros and cons carefully and consult a financial advisor for personalized advice.

    • Secure your own financial independence firstParents should prioritize their retirement savings over contributing to a 529 plan for their children's education.

      Parents should secure their own financial independence before investing in a 529 plan for their children. Andrew, a financial planner and tax expert, emphasizes that parents have a limited time to save for their retirement, while children have a longer time frame to pay for their education. Furthermore, parents' financial stability is the best gift they can give their children, allowing them to focus on raising their family and prioritizing their marriage over the pressure to contribute to a 529 plan. Andrew encourages parents, especially those with young children, to prioritize their own financial security before making significant contributions to a 529 plan.

    • Parents should prioritize their retirement savings over college fundsParents should balance their retirement savings and children's education funds, considering long-term financial needs and potential tax benefits.

      It's crucial for parents to prioritize their own retirement savings before investing in their children's education through a 529 plan. By doing so, they can alleviate financial burdens for their kids in the future and ensure their own financial security. A 529 plan, which functions similarly to a Roth IRA for college expenses, allows tax-deferred growth and tax-free withdrawals for qualified educational expenses. However, it's essential to consider the long-term financial needs of both parents and their children before focusing on prepaying potential college expenses. Additionally, some states offer tax benefits for 529 contributions, which can be an added incentive.

    • Comparing 529 plans and retirement accountsWhile 529 plans offer tax-free withdrawals for education expenses, they lack the tax deductions of retirement accounts. Consider both types when planning for long-term financial goals, taking into account college costs and potential tax changes.

      While a 529 plan offers significant tax benefits for funding college expenses, particularly on the withdrawal side, it may not be as advantageous as retirement accounts, such as a Roth IRA, due to the shorter time horizon and lower quantum of assets involved. The lack of a tax deduction on contributions to a 529 plan is also a disadvantage compared to retirement accounts. However, the tax-free status of withdrawals for qualified education expenses can make a 529 plan an attractive option for parents saving for their children's education. It's essential to consider the unique benefits and limitations of both types of accounts when planning for long-term financial goals. The high cost of college and the potential for future tax changes are also significant factors to consider when deciding between a 529 plan and a retirement account.

    • 529 plan restrictions529 plans offer tax benefits for education expenses but may come with penalties for unused funds and lack flexibility for saving for past expenses

      While a 529 plan is an effective way to save for education expenses, it comes with certain restrictions. If you don't use all the funds for qualified education expenses, the remaining amount may be subject to ordinary income tax and a 10% early withdrawal penalty. This "lockup" or "handcuffs" on the money can create unexpected issues. It's essential to understand these restrictions and aim to avoid overfunding a 529 plan. Qualified education expenses generally include tuition, room and board, books, and supplies required for higher education in the current year. While the 529 plan doesn't offer the flexibility to save and reimburse yourself for past expenses like a Health Savings Account, it's crucial to pay for these expenses to avoid penalties. For more details, refer to IRS Publication 970.

    • Consider taxable accounts for college savings if not financially independentParents with limited financial resources may find more flexibility in saving for college in a taxable account rather than a 529 plan.

      For parents who are still working towards financial independence, a 529 plan might not be the best option for saving for their child's education. Instead, saving in a taxable account in the parents' own name can be a more flexible alternative. This approach allows the assets to serve multiple purposes, such as funding retirement, home repairs, or college tuition. While there are good use cases for the 529 plan, such as when parents have already reached their financial independence or have substantial savings, it's important to consider the limited flexibility of these funds. Overall, parents should weigh the pros and cons of both options before making a decision based on their unique financial situation.

    • Flexible savings for education and other goals with taxable brokerage accountsTaxable brokerage accounts offer mental separation of funds, capital gains tax on withdrawals, and flexibility for various financial goals. They may be a better choice than retirement accounts or 529 plans for some parents.

      For parents who want flexibility in saving for their children's education and other financial goals, a taxable brokerage account may be the best option. This account allows for mental segregation of funds for specific purposes, such as college, and incurs only capital gains tax on withdrawals, not the full amount taken out. While some may prefer using retirement accounts or 529 plans, these options come with their own drawbacks, such as potential tax inefficiencies and limitations on use. Ultimately, parents should consider their personal values and financial situation when deciding how to save for their children's education.

    • Redistributing Overfunded 529 SavingsParents with excess 529 funds can change the beneficiary or move it to a Roth IRA for tax-efficient savings, benefiting both college and retirement planning.

      For parents with an overfunded 529 college savings plan, there are tax-efficient ways to redirect the excess funds. The first option is to change the beneficiary to a younger sibling, allowing the money to be used for their college expenses tax-free. Another option, introduced by the Secure Act 2.0, is to move the money from the 529 into the beneficiary's Roth IRA as an annual contribution, up to certain limits. This technique allows the funds to grow tax-free and can be a valuable addition to their retirement savings. However, it's important to note that the funds can also be transferred directly from parents to their child to fund their Roth IRA, without the need for a 529. Overall, having these options in mind can help parents make the most of their overfunded 529 plans and ensure they're making the best financial decisions for their family.

    • Comparing 529 plans to adjustable desks: Savings prioritiesConsider the financial implications and restrictions of 529 plans before prioritizing an adjustable desk. Research state tax benefits and prioritize retirement savings.

      While a Uplift adjustable desk offers numerous benefits such as improved circulation and customizable design, it's essential to consider the financial implications of other savings options, like a 529 plan. The 529 plan comes with strict use restrictions, limiting withdrawals to qualified educational expenses during the current year. In comparison, other savings alternatives like Roth IRAs, 401ks, and even health savings accounts have fewer use restrictions. Parents should be aware of these differences and prioritize their savings accordingly. When it comes to state tax benefits for 529 plans, it's crucial for parents to research their specific state's offerings to maximize potential savings. Overall, focusing on retirement savings and financial well-being should be the primary concern, with college planning coming second.

    • Understanding State-Specific 529 Tax BenefitsResearch state rules for tax benefits on 529 plans, evaluate investment options, fees, and expenses, and consider consulting a tax preparer or financial advisor for personalized savings strategies.

      When it comes to 529 plans and tax benefits, it's essential to research and understand the specific rules in your state. While most states limit tax benefits to contributions made to their own state's 529 plan, some allow the use of out-of-state plans. It's crucial to evaluate investment options, fees, and expenses before choosing a plan. Additionally, some states offer unique tax benefits, such as South Carolina's ability to deduct 529 contributions almost unlimitedly. Furthermore, the Secure Act 2.0 legislation, starting in 2024, allows the transfer of unused 529 funds to a beneficiary's Roth IRA. However, it's important to note that not everyone shares the initial excitement about this new feature. Ultimately, consulting a tax preparer or financial advisor is recommended to optimize your savings strategy based on your individual circumstances.

    • New tool for financial planning: Move funds from 529 to Roth IRAIndividuals can move funds from a 5-year-old, 15-year-old 529 plan to a Roth IRA with restrictions and limitations. It's seen as a bailout technique rather than an affirmative planning method.

      The Secure 2.0 Act provides a new tool for financial planning, allowing individuals to move funds from a 529 college savings plan to a Roth IRA, but this strategy comes with restrictions and limitations. The contribution must be at least 5 years old and the 529 plan itself must be 15 years old. This rule is intended to prevent stuffing and should be seen as a bailout technique rather than an affirmative planning method. For those in their 30s without children, this strategy may not be suitable as they would still use their checkbook to fund a Roth IRA contribution 15 years from now. The bible is the favorite book of the speaker, while in the personal finance space, "The Simple Path to Wealth" by JL Collins and "The Millionaire Next Door" are highly recommended. In financial planning work, the speaker finds joy in identifying alternative options for clients when they are facing difficult decisions. The biggest fear when it comes to money is the potential invalidity of assumptions baked into financial planning, particularly the assumption that the American stock market will continue to be an excellent place to grow wealth.

    • Investing in American Equities: Planning for Retirement ConservativelyInvest wisely, consider retirement conservatively, maximize tax-advantaged plans, simplify finances, use wealth to help others, and optimize, but not everything needs to be optimized for financial gain.

      Investing in American Equities has been profitable, but it's important to remember that this trend may not last forever. It's essential to plan for retirement conservatively and keep in mind the potential end of this trend. Another key takeaway is the importance of simplifying financial matters and considering the role of wealth beyond personal gain. As Andrew mentioned, wealth is on loan from God, and it's essential to think about how it can be used to help others and secure our future. Sean suggested maximizing tax-advantaged retirement plans like the solo 401k for self-employed individuals. Lastly, the age-old adage, "you have to spend money to make money," was discussed, and it was emphasized that optimizing wealth is important, but not everything in life needs to be optimized for financial gain. To learn more about Sean and his work, check out his blog, PhiTaxGuy.com, his YouTube channel, and his Twitter handle @SeanMoneyAndTax.

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