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    Which is Better a 529 or Roth IRA for Your Kids? Money Q&A

    en-usAugust 14, 2023

    Podcast Summary

    • Spring Cleaning for Finances: Shopping for Life Insurance and Real Estate InvestmentsSpring is an ideal time for financial planning, including affordable life insurance through Policygenius and real estate investments via Fundrise. Consider individual circumstances for choosing between a Roth IRA and a 529 plan or a traditional 401k and a Roth 401k.

      Spring is an excellent time for both home cleaning and financial planning, including shopping for life insurance with Policygenius and considering investments like real estate through Fundrise. For life insurance, Policygenius offers affordable options with quick approval and no medical exams, providing financial security for your loved ones. Regarding investments, Fundrise makes real estate investment accessible and is planning to expand its portfolio during market drops. As for the question of whether to choose a Roth IRA or a 529 plan for kids, it depends on individual circumstances. Money does not compound differently in one account versus another, and the choice between a traditional 401k and a Roth 401k depends on factors like current income level and tax situation. Always remember to carefully consider investment objectives, risks, and expenses before making a decision.

    • 529 plans vs Roth IRAs for children's futureBoth 529 plans and Roth IRAs can fund children's future, but Roth IRA is a retirement account with taxed contributions and tax-free earnings, while 529 plans are for education expenses and can pass wealth down to future generations without taxes

      While both a 529 plan and a Roth IRA can be used for children's financial future, they serve distinct purposes. A Roth IRA is primarily a retirement account, where contributions have already been taxed, but the earnings grow tax-free. To open a custodial Roth IRA for a child, they must have earned income. A 529 plan, on the other hand, is typically used for education expenses. It offers more flexibility with recent laws, allowing for building generational wealth and passing money down to children and grandchildren without paying taxes. However, it's essential to ensure that any payments to children for earned income are justifiable to the IRS.

    • Investing in a Roth IRA for childrenContribute to a Roth IRA for children to leverage tax-free growth and compound interest for long-term wealth-building. Use it in conjunction with other savings strategies for education expenses.

      Opening and contributing to a Roth IRA for children is a powerful long-term investment strategy due to the tax-free growth of earnings and the potential for compound interest over a long time horizon. Parents can contribute up to the amount of their child's earned income per year, and the earnings in the account can be used for various purposes, including education expenses, with some restrictions. While a Roth IRA can be used for education expenses, it may not be the best option due to its stricter rules compared to other education savings plans like a 529 plan. Instead, a Roth IRA can serve as a valuable wealth-building tool for children, complementing other savings strategies like a taxable brokerage account.

    • Tax-advantaged savings plans for education expenses529 plans offer tax benefits for education expenses and can be valuable for families planning for college or vocational training. Contributions are not investments, but a funding vehicle for potential growth. Limits vary by state, and Roth IRAs have income limits and require alternative methods for higher-income individuals to contribute.

      529 plans offer significant tax benefits for education expenses, which can include tuition, fees, books, and certain room and board costs for K-12, undergraduate, and post-graduate education, as well as vocational training. These plans can be particularly valuable for families planning for college, as studies show that individuals with degrees generally earn more money. However, if a family business is being passed down or a child is pursuing a trade with high income potential, a 529 plan may also be a good option. It's important to remember that contributions to a 529 plan are not an investment in themselves, but rather a funding vehicle for investments that can grow over time. Contribution limits vary by state, and some plans offer more flexibility than others. Unlike 529 plans, Roth IRAs have income limits and require alternative methods, such as a backdoor Roth IRA or a mega backdoor Roth IRA, for higher-income individuals to contribute.

    • Flexible Education Funding with Tax Benefits529 plans offer tax advantages for education funding with no income limits, potential penalties for non-education withdrawals, and future options for education expenses or transfers to a Roth IRA.

      529 plans offer flexible education funding options with potential tax benefits, even if the beneficiary does not end up using it for college education. These plans have no income limits for contributions, and while withdrawals for non-education expenses may result in income taxes and a 10% penalty on earnings, the overall financial benefit can still outweigh saving in cash. Starting in 2024, $35,000 can be transferred from a 529 plan to a Roth IRA for the beneficiary. Additionally, 529 funds can be transferred to other qualified education expenses or even used for the account holder's education, such as studying abroad. These plans offer numerous advantages and opportunities for those concerned about their children's college education or looking for alternative uses for the funds.

    • Maximizing education savings with a flexible 529 planFlexible 529 plans offer more uses for education savings and avoid state restrictions. Subscribe to Master Money for financial insights. Money grows more in one account than multiple, but interest rate and compounding frequency matter. Invest in a high-quality standing desk for productivity and health.

      Having a flexible 529 plan is important for maximizing the potential uses of education savings, while avoiding restrictive state-specific plans. Additionally, subscribing to the Master Money newsletter can provide valuable insights and strategies for managing your finances effectively. Another key point is that money does not compound more in one account than in multiple accounts, as the amount of money you have is the primary factor, not the number of accounts it's in. The interest rate and frequency of compounding are also significant factors in determining the growth of your savings. Lastly, investing in a high-quality standing desk, like the one from Uplift Desk, can help boost productivity, creativity, and overall health.

    • Impact of Rate of Return, Compounding Frequency, and Investment Distribution on Retirement WealthA higher rate of return accelerates retirement savings growth, frequent compounding speeds up wealth accumulation, and investment distribution does not alter exponential growth. Consider the choice between traditional and Roth 401ks based on personal financial situations and goals.

      The rate of return, frequency of compounding, and distribution of investments across accounts significantly impact the growth of your wealth over time. A higher rate of return leads to more money in retirement, while the frequency of compounding affects how quickly your money grows. The distribution of investments, whether in one account or multiple, does not change the exponential growth of compounding. Another important consideration is choosing between a traditional 401k and a Roth 401k when both are offered by your employer. Personal financial situations vary, but Roth accounts offer tax-free growth, which can be a significant advantage. The choice between the two depends on individual circumstances and financial goals.

    • Roth 401k vs Roth IRA: Tax-free withdrawals and no RMDsRoth 401ks offer higher contribution limits, tax-free retirement withdrawals, and no required minimum distributions, potentially reducing taxes in retirement.

      A Roth 401k offers more contribution limits than a Roth IRA and provides tax-free withdrawals in retirement, unlike a traditional 401k where withdrawals are taxed. Additionally, Roth 401ks do not require minimum distributions at age 72, allowing the account to continue growing tax-free indefinitely. This can help reduce taxes in retirement, especially if Social Security benefits are being received. The Power of 0 is a recommended book for further understanding the benefits of a Roth account. It's essential to consider individual income and consult a tax professional when deciding between a Roth and traditional retirement account.

    • Understanding Traditional vs. Roth 401ksConsider income level, tax bracket, and retirement goals when deciding between a traditional 401k and a Roth 401k. Traditional 401ks offer tax breaks now, while Roth 401ks provide tax-free growth in retirement. Start early and contribute consistently to maximize the power of compound interest.

      The decision between contributing to a traditional 401k or a Roth 401k depends on an individual's current income and personal financial goals. If an individual's adjusted gross income is above 32%, they may want to consider contributing to a traditional 401k to take advantage of a tax break now. However, if they are concerned about future tax rates or want tax-free growth in retirement, they may prefer a Roth 401k. It's essential to understand the differences between the two and consider factors such as income level, tax bracket, and retirement goals when making a decision. Additionally, contributing to both types of accounts is an option, and individuals should consider which scenario makes the most sense for them based on their unique financial situation. The power of compound interest over time, as demonstrated by investing $1,000 per month with a 10% rate of return for 35 years, highlights the importance of starting early and consistently contributing to a retirement account. However, it's important to remember that historical returns are not guaranteed, and individuals should approach financial planning conservatively.

    • Investing early and consistently in a Roth 401(k) can lead to significant compounded growth over time.Starting early and contributing consistently to a Roth 401(k) can result in over $3,000,000 in tax-free savings over 35 years.

      Investing early and consistently in a retirement account like a Roth 401(k) can result in significant compounded growth over a long time horizon. For example, contributing $1,000 per month for 35 years could result in over $3,000,000 in tax-free savings. This powerful tool allows individuals to build wealth while minimizing their tax burden. The earlier you start, the more beneficial the compounding effects will be. So, even if you're unsure about the future, making conservative contributions now can lead to substantial gains in the future. Listen to the podcast for more insights and practical tips on optimizing your finances and upgrading your life while spending less and saving more.

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    This episode is next in the podcast series, #AskPattiBrennan - a series of episodes in which Patti answers one of her listener’s frequently asked questions.  These podcasts are shorter in length and address one FAQ or RAQ (a rarely asked but should be asked) question. In today’s episode, Patti combines her experience as a mother of four with her expertise as a financial planner to share practical ideas for every parent whose children are officially “launching” into adulthood.  From income tax savings and strategies to salary protection, Patti lists several action steps for parents to utilize and share with their adult children.  There are so many opportunities available that many people are not aware of.  This is definitely an episode to take notes on and share with those you care about!

    The Pros and Cons of The 529 With Sean Mullaney

    The Pros and Cons of The 529 With Sean Mullaney
    In this episode of the Personal Finance Podcast, we're going to talk to Sean Mullaney about why the 529 plan may not be as great as you think. How Andrew Can Help You:  Join The Master Money Newsletter where you will become smarter with your money in 5 minutes or less per week Here! Learn to invest by joining  Index Fund Pro! This is Andrew’s course teaching you how to invest!  Watch The Master Money Youtube Channel!  Ask Andrew a question on Instagram or TikTok.  Learn how to get out of Debt by joining our Free Course  Leave Feedback or Episode Requests here.  Thanks to Our Amazing Sponsors for supporting The Personal Finance Podcast. Shopify: Shopify makes it so easy to sell. Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at  shopify.com/pfp Chime: Start your credit journey with Chime. Sign-up takes only two minutes and doesn’t affect your credit score. Get started at chime.com/ Policygenius: This is where I got my term life insurance. Policygenius is made so easy. To get your term policy go to policygenius.com and make sure your loved ones are safe. Listen to Planet Money wherever you get your podcasts. Visit MasterClass.com/PERSONALFINANCE and get one free annual membership when you give one annual membership this holiday season.   Links Mentioned in This Episode:  529 Plan IRS sheet Connect with Sean Mullaney Website Linkedin Twitter Book Connect With Andrew on Social Media:  Instagram  TikTok Twitter  Master Money Website  Master Money Youtube Channel   Free Guides:   The Stairway to Wealth: The Order of Operations for your Money  How to Negotiate Your Salary  The 75 Day Money Challenge  Get out Of Debt Fast  Take the Money Personality Quiz Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    The Stairway to Wealth 3.0! (The Step-by-Step Order For Your Money)

    The Stairway to Wealth 3.0! (The Step-by-Step Order For Your Money)
    In this episode of the Personal Finance Podcast, we're going to be talking about the stairway to wealth version 3. 0, the step by step order on how to allocate your money. How Andrew Can Help You:  Join The Master Money Newsletter where you will become smarter with your money in 5 minutes or less per week Here! Learn to invest by joining  Index Fund Pro! This is Andrew’s course teaching you how to invest!  Watch The Master Money Youtube Channel!  Ask Andrew a question on Instagram or TikTok.  Learn how to get out of Debt by joining our Free Course  Leave Feedback or Episode Requests here.  Thanks to Our Amazing Sponsors for supporting The Personal Finance Podcast. Shopify: Shopify makes it so easy to sell. Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at  shopify.com/pfp Chime: Start your credit journey with Chime. Sign-up takes only two minutes and doesn’t affect your credit score. Get started at chime.com/ Policygenius: This is where I got my term life insurance. Policygenius is made so easy. To get your term policy go to policygenius.com and make sure your loved ones are safe. Listen to Planet Money wherever you get your podcasts. Visit MasterClass.com/PERSONALFINANCE and get one free annual membership when you give one annual membership this holiday season.  Links Mentioned in This Episode:  Use the Ladder Method to Make Investing Simpler The Stairway to Wealth (Where to Put Your Money In Order!) The Stairway to Wealth 2.0 (The Order You Should Put Your Money in!) 10 Incredible Benefits of a Taxable Brokerage Account! Connect With Andrew on Social Media:  Instagram  TikTok Twitter  Master Money Website  Master Money Youtube Channel   Free Guides:   The Stairway to Wealth: The Order of Operations for your Money  How to Negotiate Your Salary  The 75 Day Money Challenge  Get out Of Debt Fast  Take the Money Personality Quiz Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Your Rich BFF has arrived! From leaving Wall Street & a $600k tech job to becoming Vivian Tu spills BTS to her career path and the secrets YOU need to know for building your wealth

    Your Rich BFF has arrived! From leaving Wall Street & a $600k tech job to becoming Vivian Tu spills BTS to her career path and the secrets YOU need to know for building your wealth
    This week, Jason is joined by former investment trader on Wall Street turned personal finance content creator, Your Rich BFF aka Vivian Tu!

    Over the past few years, Vivian has gained popularity on social media for sharing financial advice on investing money and building wealth. Between TikTok and Instagram, she has generated over 6 million followers, who she calls the leftovers, for whom she wants to share the lessons she learned on Wall Street and offer her best personal finance tips and tricks to readers of all ages and demographics.

    Vivian gives insight to the three tips she will provide to her own children, what a 529 account is, her method up or out, how to improve your credit score, her time at University of Chicago and which lead to working on Wall Street, how her fiancé was able to land a job on Wall Street without attending a feeder school, what working on Wall Street was like and how she left to work at BuzzFeed. Vivian also reveals how quitting her full-time job allowed her 24/7 to work on her own personal business, how she was able to utilize a forecasting model to allow her to build her business, her various revenue streams, her understanding of social media’s shelf life, how she’s built trust with her audience, and her best and worst investments. Why did she decide to leave Wall Street? How is she creating content that is engaging to her audience? What is a stick and a yard? What is her opinion of billionaires?

    Vivian reveals all that and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss! 


    Host: Jason Tartick
    Co-Host: David Arduin
    Audio: Declan O’Connell
    Guests: Vivian Tu

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