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    The West moves on tanks & understanding Ukraine's 'Unnamed War'

    enJanuary 26, 2023

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    • Significant developments in business, technology, and world newsLab-grown diamonds equal in quality to natural ones, Mint Mobile defies industry trend with lower prices, Ukraine faces ongoing Russian attacks, Professor Arel discusses war's impact on Ukrainian society and politics, adaptability and resilience are key in various aspects of life

      There are significant developments happening on multiple fronts. At Blunile.com, they offer lab-grown diamonds of equal quality to natural diamonds, with independent grading and a promo code for a discount. Meanwhile, Mint Mobile is defying industry trends by lowering its prices instead of raising them. In the world news, Ukraine continues to face Russian attacks, with several incidents reported, including missile strikes and drone attacks. The situation remains tense, with the anniversary of the full-scale invasion approaching. In academia, Professor Dominique Arel discusses his new book, "Ukraine's Unnamed War," providing insights into the war's impact on Ukrainian society and politics. These events highlight the importance of adaptability and resilience in various aspects of life, from business to geopolitics. Whether it's finding cost-effective alternatives or standing strong against adversity, the ability to adjust and respond effectively is crucial.

    • Russian bombers relocated to Arctic base amid Ukraine conflictThe ongoing Ukraine conflict has led to increased military activity and tensions in Europe, with Russia moving strategic bombers to the Arctic and France under pressure to send heavier tanks. A German spy scandal adds to the uncertainty.

      The ongoing conflict in Ukraine has led to increased military activity and tensions in Europe. Recently, Russian air bases holding strategic bombers were hit, leading to their relocation to a new base in the Arctic. France is now under pressure to send heavier Leclerc tanks to Ukraine, but questions remain about France's commitment to military support and its inconsistent stance on the invasion. Additionally, a German spy scandal involving the arrest of a suspected couper for a Russian double agent has added to the tensions and uncertainty in the region. The situation remains fluid and complex, with potential implications for global security.

    • German double agents and Turkish tensions complicate NATO membership bids for Finland and SwedenGerman intelligence scandal and Turkish President Erdogan's response to a protest in Sweden are delaying Finland and Sweden's NATO membership bids, while Putin and Erdogan discuss cooperation and Turkey refuses to join Western sanctions against Russia.

      The ongoing saga of alleged German double agents and tensions with Turkey are creating complications for Western alliances, particularly in the context of Finland and Sweden's NATO membership bids. Germany's BND, or foreign intelligence agency, has been rocked by the discovery of suspected double agents, leading to concerns about the reliability of its intelligence services. Meanwhile, Turkish President Erdogan's response to a protest in Sweden involving a burned Quran and an effigy of himself has led him to threaten to delay Sweden's NATO membership bid. This diplomatic incident comes at a sensitive time in the war, and Erdogan may be trying to appeal to his core vote. Despite the threats, it's likely that Finland and Sweden will join NATO eventually, but the process is being delayed due to political grandstanding from Turkey. Additionally, Putin and Erdogan recently discussed exchanging wounded men from Ukraine, creating a gas hub in Turkey, and exporting grain from the Black Sea. Turkey's refusal to join Western sanctions against Russia further complicates the situation.

    • Turkey as a Broker Between Russia and the WestTurkey maintains complex relations with Russia, supporting Ukrainian independence while allowing Russian airlines to operate and accepting Russian investment to fill its foreign currency reserves gap. The West allows Turkey to make certain decisions to keep dialogue with Russia going, including the grain deal.

      Turkey continues to play a crucial role as a broker between Russia and the West, despite ongoing tensions and sanctions. Russian airlines are still operating in Turkey, and Russian money has helped fill Turkey's foreign currency reserves gap. While Turkey has supported Ukrainian independence and territorial integrity, it maintains a complex relationship with Russia. The West is willing to let Turkey make certain decisions to keep the dialogue with Russia going, especially regarding the grain deal. A scandal in the UK involves British lawyers being granted government dispensation to help a Russian oligarch sue a journalist, raising questions about the use of libel law and potential loopholes for sanctioned individuals. In an interview with UK Sky News, President Zelensky laughed off the idea of Boris Johnson becoming the UK's ambassador to Ukraine but expressed good relations with Rishi Sunak.

    • The Complexities of Diplomacy and Tank OperationsMastering a tank's complexities requires significant skill, time, and effort. Effective tank operations involve working together with other tanks and soldiers, and understanding the confusing tank environment.

      Diplomacy and politics between countries can be complex, and the ongoing situation between the UK and Germany regarding tanks is just one example of this. Former tank commander Don Nicholls shares his personal experience of operating a tank, explaining that it requires great skill and time to master the complexities of the vehicle and work effectively together with other tanks and soldiers. The tank environment can be confusing, with different directions of movement and multiple perspectives to consider. Mastering the basics, such as knowing where to sleep, is also essential. Overall, operating a tank is not a simple task, and it takes significant effort and training to effectively use these vehicles in combat situations.

    • Military Coordination in Sending Tanks to UkraineCountries are working together to provide tanks to Ukraine, demonstrating the intricate coordination and logistics required in military operations.

      Operating a tank in a military context, especially at night, involves intricate coordination and precise knowledge. Soldiers must know where their team members are located and how to navigate in the dark without using light. The complexity of tank operations is amplified in the dark, making it crucial for soldiers to be well-trained and familiar with their specific tank models. Recently, various countries have pledged to send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, with Germany leading the way. The training of Ukrainian troops on these tanks is already underway, and the first Leopard 2s are expected to arrive in late March or early April. Other countries, such as Poland, Portugal, Norway, Britain, and the US, have also committed to sending tanks, with the US Abrams tanks likely to arrive in months rather than weeks. As of now, Germany, Poland, Portugal, Norway, the UK, and Rheinmetall (the German arms manufacturer) have confirmed sending a total of 97 Leopard 2 tanks and 88 older Leopard 1 variants. Spain, Sweden, the Netherlands, Finland, and Denmark have also pledged tanks, but the exact numbers and availability are still unclear. France has yet to announce any plans to send its Leclerc tanks. The coordination and logistics involved in providing tanks to Ukraine demonstrate the intricacy and complexity of military operations. Despite the challenges, countries are working together to support Ukraine in its time of need.

    • Maidan protests and police violence lead to Russian invasion of UkraineThe Maidan protests and police violence against them led to the collapse of the pro-Russian government, questioning the legitimacy of the new regime, and ultimately the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014. France has provided military aid to Ukraine, including artillery and air defense systems, to help defend against Russian aggression.

      The events leading up to the full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014 began with the Maidan demonstrations and the use of police violence against protesters. This violence escalated, leading to the collapse of the pro-Russian government and an irregular transfer of power. And although the new government came to power through a constitutional vote, it called into question the legitimacy of the new regime among certain constituencies in Ukraine, particularly in Donbas and Crimea. This, in turn, led to the seizure of government buildings in Donetsk and the beginning of the Donbas war in April 2014. It's important to note that France's current discussions about military aid to Ukraine do not necessarily involve offering Leclerc tanks due to their limited numbers and potential logistical burden. Instead, France has already provided capable artillery and air defense systems, which may be more useful for Ukraine's defense against Russian aggression.

    • Misunderstanding Ukrainian society and politics led Russia to misjudge the situation during the 2014 crisisRussia underestimated Ukrainian identity and willingness to fight for their country, resulting in unexpected insurgency in Donbas instead of anticipated resistance in other regions.

      During the 2014 Ukrainian crisis, Putin and Russia believed that Ukrainian Russian speakers would join the Russian world or even become part of Russia due to their linguistic and cultural ties. However, the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine, particularly in Eastern Ukraine, proved to be politically Ukrainian and willing to fight for their country. This was most evident in the lack of resistance in Crimea and the insurgency in Donbas. Russia's poor understanding of Ukrainian society and politics led them to misjudge the situation, as they did not anticipate an insurgency in Donbas and instead expected resistance in Kharkiv, Odessa, and Crimea. The war eventually became focused on Donbas, and Russia's intervention came later than anticipated. This historical context is crucial in understanding the ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine and the motivations behind Russian actions in 2022.

    • Ukraine's Army Transformation Impacted Outcome of ConflictUkraine's army build-up made Putin's invasion in 2022 a miscalculation, while Putin underestimated the changed situation, highlighting the importance of accurate situational awareness.

      The Ukrainian army's transformation from an empty shell in 2014 to a formidable force by 2021 significantly impacted the outcome of the conflict in 2022. The Ukrainian army's experience gained during the static war and training from foreign forces made Putin's decision to invade unbelievable, given his earlier success in taking Crimea with minimal forces in 2014. Conversely, Putin's political power and control over the military allowed him to underestimate the changed situation on the ground in 2022. The first lesson for the Ukrainians was to build a strong army, which made Putin's decision to invade in 2022 a significant miscalculation. For Putin, the political lesson was to better understand the situation on the ground and adapt to the changing reality.

    • Ukraine's Unnamed War: A Complex Conflict Beyond HardwareThe Ukraine conflict is not just about tanks and weapons, but also morale, narrative, and legitimacy. It's a complex mix of civil war, insurgency, counterrevolution, foreign intervention, and invasion.

      The ongoing conflict in Ukraine, referred to as Ukraine's Unnamed War in a recent book, is a complex and multifaceted issue. The title of the book highlights the idea that the war is not just about hardware, such as tanks, but also about morale, narrative, and legitimacy. The Ukrainians have had the advantage of fighting for their lands, while it's unclear why Russian troops are there. The conflict involves information warfare, with both sides trying to frame the narrative without acknowledging that they're at war with each other. The Ukrainians refused to call it a war until recently, instead labeling it an anti-terrorist operation. Russia, on the other hand, called it a civil war but meant it in a way that excluded themselves. The conflict is a complicated mix of civil war, insurgency, counterrevolution, foreign intervention, and invasion. Understanding the nuances of this conflict requires acknowledging its complexity and avoiding oversimplification.

    • Russian involvement in Ukraine conflict: Timing and extentThe European Court ruled Russian control in Eastern Ukraine from May 11, 2014, but military intervention didn't start until August, and the role of earlier actors is unclear.

      The timeline and extent of Russian involvement in the conflict in Eastern Ukraine, particularly in relation to the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics, is a complex issue. While the European Court of Human Rights has ruled that these regions were effectively under Russian administration from May 11, 2014, some experts argue that this may be too early. The first direct military intervention by Russian forces did not occur until late August, and the status of earlier actors like Girkin and his commando unit remains unclear. The conflict escalated into a military one in April, but it wasn't until mid-July that Russian forces began systematically shelling Ukrainian troops from across the border. Ultimately, drawing a clear line between Russian interference, insurgency, and military intervention is a challenging task in the historical context of the Ukraine crisis.

    • Early stages of Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014: Chaotic situation allowed for easy Russian takeoverThe early stages of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014 were marked by a chaotic situation, which allowed Russia to take control of Crimea with relative ease despite a lack of strong Ukrainian resistance or effective government response.

      The early stages of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014 were marked by a lack of effective resistance in Crimea, which could be seen as suggesting more sympathy towards Russia than the contemporary narrative. However, this should not downplay the shock factor of the invasion, as there was little forewarning and the situation on the ground was chaotic. Russia did not have a good understanding of the situation in Ukraine and was caught off guard by the pro-Ukrainian street presence in other parts of the country. The Ukrainian government was in transition and struggling to maintain control of its troops, making resistance difficult. The lack of a strong Ukrainian street presence and effective government response in Crimea allowed Russia to take control with relative ease. Despite the confusion and chaos of the early days of the conflict, it marked the turning point where the war became a military conflict between Russia and Ukraine.

    • Russian takeover of Crimea: Organic separatist desires or forced seizure?The conflict in Eastern Ukraine began when pro-Russian forces obtained weapons from the police and security services, enabling them to seize key buildings and escalate the situation.

      The events in Crimea in 2014 can be seen as a rapid Russian takeover, despite local separatist desires in the region being organic. An insurgency occurs when people take up arms against each other within the same state, and in the case of Eastern Ukraine, both pro-Ukrainian and pro-Russian forces shared the same legal status as Ukrainian citizens. However, the turning point came when pro-Russian forces were able to obtain arms from the police and security services, leading to the seizure of key buildings. The identity of these forces is complex, with some being local Ukrainians who considered themselves politically Russian, and others being Russian soldiers. The distinction between opinion and the ability to mobilize with force is crucial in understanding the dynamics of the conflict.

    • Nationality's Different Meanings in East and WestIn the east, nationality is tied to ethnicity, while in the west, it's about legal state affiliation. Russia's intervention in Donbas was due to lack of universal support and collapse of patronage systems.

      The concept of nationality holds different meanings in the eastern and western contexts. In the east, it often carries an ethnic connotation, while in the west, it refers to legal affiliation to a state. The discussion also touched upon the reasons why Russia had to intervene militarily in the Donbas region despite a groundswell of support for the DNR. The lack of universal support, coupled with systems of patronage and the collapse of traditional power structures, made it difficult for the DNR to gain traction without external intervention. The failure of traditional patronage systems in Donetsk, unlike in Kharkiv, played a significant role in the conflict's escalation.

    • Complex dynamics of the conflict in Eastern UkraineMessianic Russians, counter-revolutionaries, hardcore leftists, and local militants fueled the conflict in Eastern Ukraine. Armed groups played a crucial role in shaping its course, with pro-Russian forces taking control in Donetsk and Luhansk, while pro-Ukrainian forces prevailed in Kharkiv.

      The conflict in Eastern Ukraine, specifically in Donetsk and Luhansk, was fueled by various groups with different motivations. These groups included messianic Russians, counter-revolutionaries, hardcore leftists, and local militants. The traditional systems of patronage collapsed, leading to violent clashes on the streets between pro-Ukrainian and pro-Russian forces. The turning point came when a large pro-Ukrainian demonstration was violently dispersed by pro-Russian mobs, who then took control of the streets. In contrast, the attempt to establish a pro-Russian republic in Kharkiv failed due to the lack of arms and the eventual takeover by pro-Ukrainian forces, primarily made up of the ultras and Azov members. The unwillingness of local police and outside troops to engage in a potential bloodbath also played a role in the outcome. Overall, these events illustrate the complex dynamics of the conflict and the importance of armed groups in shaping its course.

    • The conflict in Donbas, Ukraine, lasted longer than anticipated and required Russian military intervention to prevent insurgency failure.Russian military intervention in Ukraine's Donbas region was a calculated move to prevent insurgency collapse, highlighting the complexities of insurgencies and their potential outcomes.

      The conflict in Donbas, Ukraine, between Ukrainian forces and Russian-backed militants in 2014 did not turn out to be a bloodbath as anticipated, but rather an insurgency that lasted for months. The militants refused to leave their buildings, leading to the effective collapse of the Ukrainian state's security forces in that region. However, Putin intervened militarily after assessing the risk of the insurgency failing. It's important to note that insurgencies don't always succeed, and Russia's intervention was a calculated move to prevent the insurgency from collapsing. Listeners can stay updated on Ukraine news, analysis, and dispatches from the ground by subscribing to "Ukraine the Latest" podcast, newsletter, or following the Telegraph on Twitter. Shopify is a global commerce platform that helps businesses grow, from launching an online shop to opening a physical store. 1-800-Flowers offers various ways to celebrate Mother's Day with handmade bouquets, sweet treats, gourmet food, and unique gifts. Shopify and 1-800-Flowers are sponsors of this podcast.

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