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    TIP555: Lessons from the World's Greatest Capital Allocators

    enMay 26, 2023
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    • Learning from Exceptional CEOs and ManagersThrough efficient management of operations and successful capital allocation, exceptional CEOs and managers can deliver strong returns for their companies and shareholders. Understanding the principles of excellent capital allocation can aid in identifying great managers in the present day.

      William Thorndike Jr's book 'The Outsiders' is a great resource for learning about CEOs and managers who are exceptional at their job and deliver strong returns for their companies. The book outlines how the world's greatest capital allocators deliver exceptional returns to shareholders during their tenure as CEOs. The annual return to shareholders, the return relative to peers and the return relative to overall markets are some factors to evaluate a CEO's greatness, and successful capital allocation involves efficient management of operations, as well as proper redeployment of the capital that's generated. Understanding what excellent capital allocation looks like can help with identifying it in managers of public companies today.

    • The Critical Role of CEOs in Capital AllocationCEOs can allocate capital through investing in operations, acquiring businesses, issuing dividends, paying down debt, or repurchasing shares. Outsider CEOs outperform by being frugal, considering cash flow over reported earnings, and thinking like owners when making decisions.

      Capital allocation is a critical job for CEOs which can be done through investing in existing operations, acquiring other businesses, issuing dividends, paying down debt, or repurchasing shares. CEOs can raise money through internal cash flow, issuing debt or equity. Shareholder returns are largely driven by CEO's decisions on operations, cash flow deployment, and utilization of tools. Outsider CEOs who were rare outperformed by being frugal, humble, analytical, understated and living far away from Wall Street avoiding noise and institutional imperative. They thought like owners by making accretive acquisitions, buying back shares when they were cheap, and considering issuing shares when stocks were expensive. Capital allocation is a CEO's most important job, and cash flow, not reported earnings, is what creates value.

    • The Unconventional Capital Allocation Practices of Outsider CEOsOutsider CEOs prioritize long-term shareholder value and adapt their strategies to market conditions, leading to significant growth and returns. Their innovative approach challenges institutional imperative and prevents short-term thinking.

      Outsider CEOs in the 1970s implemented significant share repurchase programs or large acquisitions, while all other CEOs were fearful. They focus on maximizing long-term shareholder value and free cash flow instead of optimizing quarterly earnings or net income. Henry Singleton and Teledyne is a perfect example. Singleton adapted his capital allocation practices as market conditions changed and focused on companies that were market leaders, profitable, and growing at less than 12 times earnings. He discontinued his acquisition strategy when stock prices started to fall and acquisition prices were starting to rise. This unconventional approach achieved significantly different returns and made Teledyne grow 244 times over 10 years. Outsider CEOs bring fresh perspectives and innovation that prevent falling for institutional imperative.

    • Teledyne's Decentralized Business Structure - A Key to SuccessBy emphasizing accountability and managerial responsibility at all levels, optimizing free cash flow, streamlining operations, and embracing share buybacks and spinouts, Teledyne achieved significant success. Singleton's approach to capital allocation provides valuable lessons for modern businesses.

      Teledyne's success was driven by its decentralized business structure, which attracted high performers and allowed for accountability and managerial responsibility to be pushed down to the lowest levels of the organization. By optimizing free cash flow, streamlining operations, and embracing share buybacks, Teledyne was able to generate significant returns for shareholders and stand out among its peers. Singleton's expertise in assessing where value was to be found, whether through investments or share repurchases, helped fuel Teledyne's success. Additionally, through spinouts, Teledyne was able to simplify operations and unlock further value. Singleton's approach to capital allocation and keen decision-making skills prove invaluable lessons for businesses today.

    • Importance of Flexibility and Effective Resource Allocation in Business StrategyAdapting to unconventional strategies, making informed hires, and being open-minded to change can be crucial for achieving business success, as seen in the examples of Graham and Buffett.

      Effective allocation of time and capital is crucial for success in business. Being flexible and open to new opportunities can lead to growth and profits. Unconventional strategies such as not assigning day-to-day responsibilities and not engaging with the press can be successful. Hiring the right people can also make a significant impact on a company's profitability. Katherine Graham's decision to buy back the company’s shares and focus on investigative journalism led to success, while other newspapers failed to follow her lead. Buffett's mentorship and presence on the board also played a role. The importance of remaining open-minded and adaptable to change is crucial for success in business.

    • The Importance of Independent Thinking and Top Talent for Successful Business and Capital AllocationDeveloping a culture of independent thinking and attracting top talent are essential for making wise capital allocation decisions and ensuring long-term success in business. Reinvesting wisely and seeking unconventional leadership like Warren Buffet can lead to tremendous growth.

      Successful business and capital allocation require foresight and independent thinking. It's crucial to recognize the environment and make decisions that differ from what everyone else is doing. Sharing thoughts with individuals instead of directly telling them what to do encourages a culture of independent thinking and taking ownership of decisions. Top talent is essential for the right decisions. Truly durable moats are challenging to come by, so it's essential to reinvest in business wisely and attract new talent. Warren Buffet's story is an excellent example of unconventional leadership, and his success is measured by the long-term stock performance, which is simply on another planet from all other CEOs.

    • Buffett's Contrarian Investment Strategy for Long-term SuccessSuccessful investing requires patience, discipline, and strategic decisions based on company fundamentals, rather than following trends or making rash decisions. Invest in companies with low capital needs and the ability to raise prices, and hold for longer periods for pre-tax compounding of returns.

      Buffett's investment success was rooted in his contrarian strategy of investing in companies with low capital needs and the ability to raise prices, rather than hopping on trends. He purchased consumer brands and media properties with dominant market positions or strong brand names, using longer holding periods for pre-tax compounding of investments. Buffett invested opportunistically, taking action during fearful market periods and largely sitting on the sidelines during euphoric times. His track record shows the power of successful long-term investment and compounding, with returns far outpacing the S&P 500. This demonstrates the importance of being patient, disciplined, and strategic in investment decisions, rather than simply following popular trends or making rash decisions.

    • Buffett's Capital Generation and Allocation for Berkshire Hathaway's Phenomenal SuccessBuffett's strategy of generating capital, investing with preference, and strategic purchases such as National Indemnity, along with profitable underwriting and centralised capital allocation, helped Berkshire Hathaway achieve huge success. Experienced evaluation of investments also proved advantageous.

      Buffett's capital generation, allocation and operations management are the key factors that contributed to Berkshire Hathaway's phenomenal success over 45 years. The ability to generate funds at 3% and invest at 13%, their preference to invest with generated capital, and the strategic purchase of National Indemnity were some of the noteworthy factors. The lumpy 15% return, profitable underwriting, and centralised capital allocation decisions also proved to be highly successful. Berkshire's flywheel approach of purchasing great businesses with generated profits, and insurance being the keystone for growth, helped in propelling the company's pre-tax profits from wholly owned businesses from $102 million in 1990 to $6.9 billion in 2011. Buffett's prior experience in evaluating investments in a wide variety of industries proved to be a significant competitive advantage for Berkshire.

    • Buffett's Capital Allocation Strategies and Portfolio Management ApproachInvesting in high-return businesses, winding down low-return businesses, and treating shareholders like partners are key principles of Buffett's success. His unique approach to acquiring wholly-owned businesses offers valuable lessons for investors looking to achieve better results.

      Buffett's exceptional capital allocation decisions and unique portfolio management strategy of concentrating on his best names and holding for extremely long periods were the keys to his exceptional success. He invested in businesses that generated high returns and winded down low-return businesses. Buffett cared for Berkshire's shareholders like partners and aimed to give them a good deal. He approached wholly-owned businesses differently, offering sellers of private businesses liquidity while letting them continue to run their businesses independently. He promised not to negotiate on valuation and gave an answer in typically five minutes or less. His approach forced sellers to move quickly and didn't waste his time. Buffett's approach is worth studying for any investor to achieve better results.

    • Warren Buffett's Approach to Capital Allocation and DecentralizationWarren Buffett believes capital allocation is the number one job of a CEO. He optimizes for this by decentralizing the company, delegating decisions, and attracting long-term relationships. Great capital allocation is more important than being in a growing market.

      Warren Buffett has structured Berkshire in a way that optimizes for capital allocation, which he believes is the number one job of a CEO. He has decentralized the company to increase overall efficiency, reduce overhead, and release the entrepreneurial spirit. Buffett has also started delegating decisions to Greg Abel before taking his place as CEO. He seeks to attract long-term relationships with managers, businesses, and shareholders, and writes unconventional annual letters to appeal to investors who think long-term. Thorndike emphasizes the importance of great capital allocation, which is much more important than being in a growing market. Companies like Prepaid Legal Services and Home Depot vastly outperformed the market by optimizing free cash flows and buying back significant amounts of stock.

    • The Importance of Exceptional Capital Allocation and Finding Outsider CEOs.Great capital allocators aim to maximize per share value, avoid bad investments and focus on long-term returns. Search for strong capital allocators when investing for the long haul.

      Exceptional capital allocation is crucial for a business's success and it comes down to running the numbers and making conservative assumptions to estimate returns. Great capital allocators focus on maximizing per share value rather than overall company value, avoid bad investments, and have a long-term time horizon. Outsider CEOs with a good track record of allocating capital effectively and maximizing long-term shareholder value are rare but highly valuable. Capital allocation is often misunderstood, leading CEOs to make decisions that don't offer high returns on capital. As investors, we should look for companies with strong capital allocators and invest in them for the long haul, even if their valuations seem expensive.

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