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    What’s So Great About Retirement? (Ep. 87 Replay)

    en-usJanuary 01, 2023

    Podcast Summary

    • Retirement: A Personal and Complex DecisionRetirement doesn't have to mean an end to work or productivity, and it can be an opportunity to pursue new passions, learn new skills, or travel.

      Retirement is a personal decision and can mean different things to different people. Some may look forward to it as a reward for years of hard work, while others may feel hesitant or uncertain about what comes next. According to a discussion on the No Stupid Questions podcast between Angela Duckworth and Stephen Dubner, they shared their own experiences and offered guidance for those who are reluctant to retire. They acknowledged that everyone's retirement experience is unique, and it's important to consider individual circumstances, preferences, and commitments. In fact, the number of retirees increased significantly in 2020 due to various reasons, including COVID-19 and job losses. However, only fewer than 40% of American workers follow the traditional retirement pattern of completely retiring from a full-time job. The podcast also highlighted that retirement doesn't have to mean an end to work or productivity, and it can be an opportunity to pursue new passions, learn new skills, or travel. Ultimately, the decision to retire is a complex one, and it's essential to weigh the pros and cons carefully and consider what brings meaning and fulfillment to one's life.

    • The complex relationship between retirement and cognitive declineRetirement's impact on cognitive decline is multifaceted, with some experiencing decline before retirement and others after. Better cognitive ability leads to more nonstandard retirement pathways, but it's unclear if cognitive decline causes or results from retirement.

      The decision to retire and its impact on cognitive decline is complex and multifaceted. While some people may retire due to cognitive decline, others may experience cognitive decline after retirement. A study by Rand found that about 14% of respondents transitioned from full-time work to part-time work, 17% left the workforce and subsequently reentered, and 26% remained in full or part-time jobs past the age of 70. Seniors with better cognitive ability were more likely to follow nonstandard retirement pathways. However, it's unclear whether cognitive decline is the cause or the result of retirement. People's motivations for retiring can be influenced by various factors, including their identity, work fulfillment, and cognitive abilities. Some retirees may feel unfulfilled and choose to return to work, while others may experience a decline in cognitive abilities that makes their work less rewarding and fulfilling. The relationship between retirement and cognitive decline is not straightforward, and more research is needed to fully understand it.

    • Retirement: A Personal Decision with Upsides and DownsidesRetirement brings freedom and time for personal interests, but may lead to cognitive decline and feelings of boredom or lack of purpose. It's a personal decision that requires careful consideration.

      Retirement can bring about various upsides such as spending more time with loved ones and having the freedom to pursue personal interests. However, it's important to note that cognitive decline may begin after a honeymoon period of around 14 months. A famous study from the University of Michigan's Health and Retirement Study supports this, but the connection isn't definitive. Retirement can also lead to feelings of boredom or a lack of purpose if not properly planned. For instance, a sociology professor named Dan Champless retired to spend more time with his grandchild and is currently enjoying his retirement. On the other hand, a doctor friend of Steven's retired unexpectedly, leaving Steven assuming the worst, but it turned out to be a long-planned retirement with his wife. These stories illustrate the potential benefits and challenges of retirement, making it a personal decision that should be carefully considered.

    • Navigating the Challenges of RetirementRetirement can bring financial and psychological adjustments. Men may spend their time watching TV, while women increase volunteering and physical activities.

      Retirement, while often seen as a time for relaxation and doing nothing, can come with its own set of challenges. On the positive side, retirement can provide an opportunity to recuperate from the grind of work and pursue new interests. However, financially, retirement can be tough, especially when it comes to predicting future costs and adjusting to not earning a regular income. Additionally, the psychic change of drawing down money rather than contributing or saving can be difficult. According to research, men are more likely to spend their retirement years watching TV, while women are more likely to increase their volunteering and physical activities. It's important to consider these potential challenges and plan accordingly to ensure a successful and fulfilling retirement.

    • The Role of Pets in Aging WellResearch shows that healthy relationships contribute to a fulfilling retirement, and pets can provide companionship and love, enhancing the quality of life in retirement

      Retirement does not equate to idleness and lack of purpose. According to the speaker, people have goals at every age, and the absence of these goals can lead to unhappiness. The quality of retirement is strongly linked to the quality of life before it. George Valiant's research on aging well emphasizes the importance of healthy relationships for a fulfilling retirement. While pets cannot replace human relationships entirely, they can provide companionship and love, especially for those who lack deep bonds with other humans. The speaker's hypothesis is that pets can play a significant role in aging well.

    • Pets provide unconditional positive regard and companionship during retirementRetiring or aging well involves a combination of physical, cognitive, and emotional factors. Having a pet contributes positively by offering unconditional love and companionship, fulfilling the need for unconditional positive regard, and providing a sense of purpose.

      Pets, particularly dogs, offer unconditional positive regard and companionship, making them an essential part of our lives, especially during retirement when people need to feel needed. This asymmetric relationship not only provides emotional benefits but also allows us to take care of them, giving us a sense of purpose. According to humanist psychologists, every person has a need for unconditional positive regard, which pets can fulfill. Retiring or aging well is a continuation of the trade-offs we make throughout our lives, and having a pet can contribute positively to this process. However, it's crucial to be honest with oneself about the challenges that come with retirement and acknowledge that the joy and benefits of a career don't necessarily disappear upon retirement. Ultimately, the decision to retire or age well involves a combination of physiological, cognitive, and emotional factors, with stable relationships and self-care being essential components.

    • The importance of mental engagement for cognitive health in old ageContinuing to work or find meaningful activities can help maintain cognitive function as we age, rather than retiring and doing nothing.

      Continuing to work and engage mentally is likely to be beneficial for cognitive health as we age, rather than retiring and doing nothing. This was emphasized by Angela, who shared her belief that "use it or lose it" applies to the brain. She also mentioned the importance of finding meaning and purpose in work, even if it means changing tracks, and shared examples of individuals who continued to make significant contributions well into old age. The discussion also touched on the challenges of predicting retirement and its impact on cognitive decline, with Angela expressing her belief that not retiring is an effective defense against cognitive decline. However, it's important to note that pet ownership can also have benefits for older adults, but comes with risks as well. Overall, the conversation highlighted the importance of staying active and engaged in life as we age, whether through work or other pursuits.

    • The value of a gift can change based on personal experiences and emotionsGifts can hold different meanings at different stages of life and can evoke powerful emotions. Personal experiences and connections can shift the significance of a gift.

      The significance of gifts can change over time and depend on various circumstances. For Cade, as a child, the red envelopes from relatives felt like a prop in an adult's social reciprocity, but as a father, he cherishes the same cash gifts for himself. Annalise's son was touched by her decision to volunteer with Doctors Without Borders and honored her by making a donation in her name. These stories illustrate that the value of a gift can shift based on personal experiences and emotions. Additionally, the speakers shared how they've grown and faced challenges in their lives, such as Cade coming out as trans to his parents and Annalise leaving her medical practice to volunteer. These experiences, while difficult, ultimately led to moments of love, understanding, and connection.

    • Exploring the Freakonomics Radio NetworkThe Freakonomics Radio Network, featuring shows like 'Freakonomics Radio,' 'People I Mostly Admire,' and 'Freakonomics MD,' is produced by Stitcher and Wrenbud Radio and led by Neil Carruth, Gabriel Roth, and Stephen Dubner. Listeners can access ad-free episodes by subscribing to Stitcher Premium and submit questions for future episodes via email.

      Key takeaway from this episode of "No Stupid Questions" is that the Freakonomics Radio Network, which includes shows like "Freakonomics Radio," "People I Mostly Admire," and "Freakonomics MD," is produced by Stitcher and Wrenbud Radio, and is led by a team including Neil Carruth, Gabriel Roth, and Stephen Dubner. The network's theme song is "And She Was" by Talking Heads, and listeners can access ad-free episodes by subscribing to Stitcher Premium. The show welcomes questions for future episodes via email at nsq@freakonomics.com, and transcripts can be found on the Freakonomics website. The speaker also shared a personal moment about his daughter's compliment about his ability to keep learning, emphasizing the network's mission to explore the hidden side of everything.

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