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    Who should keep the Elgin Marbles?

    enDecember 02, 2023

    Podcast Summary

    • Greece's Call for Elgin Marbles' Return and Symbolic Gestures of Giving BackThe Elgin Marbles' return from the British Museum to Greece remains contentious, but institutions are making strides towards restitution. Meanwhile, companies like Mint Mobile and 1-800-Flowers offer symbolic gestures of giving back through price reductions.

      While some institutions are returning looted artifacts to their original countries as part of a larger cultural shift towards restitution, the issue of the Elgin Marbles' return from the British Museum to Greece remains contentious. The Greek prime minister recently criticized the UK for keeping the marbles, leading to a diplomatic spat. Meanwhile, Mint Mobile, a wireless company, is offering a more tangible form of giving back by reducing the price of their unlimited plan from $30 to $15 for new customers. This Mother's Day, 1-800-Flowers is also encouraging giving with discounts on gifts. Despite the ongoing debates and disputes, both the cultural and commercial worlds offer opportunities for reflection and change.

    • Ancient Athenian temple served as a goddess' home, a storehouse, and a symbol of powerThe Parthenon, a significant ancient Greek temple, was not just a place of worship but also a symbol of Athenian power and wealth, housing both offerings and imperial loot.

      The Parthenon, a temple dedicated to the goddess Athena in ancient Athens, was not only a place of worship but also a storehouse for treasures and a symbol of Athenian power and wealth. Built in the 440s and 430s BCE to replace earlier temples destroyed during the Persian invasion, the Parthenon showcased Athens' imperial power and identity. The temple, which houses some of the greatest surviving artifacts of the ancient world, has been at the center of cultural debates since it arrived in the British Museum over 200 years ago. The British Museum's Mary Beard, a renowned classicist and trustee, explains that the Parthenon was a unique combination of a goddess' home and a storehouse for treasures, some of which were offerings, while others were imperial loot. The temple's importance to Athens during this period of democratic rule and imperial expansion is evident in its grandeur and the resources it required. This complex history of the Parthenon challenges simplistic views of ancient Greece and its temples.

    • Ancient Greek temple sparks controversy over resources and ownershipThe Parthenon, an ancient Greek temple, has been a source of fascination and controversy due to its grandeur, intricate sculptures, and the controversial removal of its marbles to the British Museum.

      The Parthenon, an ancient Greek temple in Athens, has been a subject of controversy since its inception over 2,500 years ago. It's not just a symbol of Athenian civilization, but its grandeur and the significant resources spent on it raised anxieties and debates among the Greeks. The temple is adorned with intricate sculptures, including the famous continuous frieze and metopes, which depict conflicts between Greekness and foreignness. The most famous Parthenon marbles, now divided between the British Museum and the Acropolis Museum in Athens, were controversially taken to the UK by Lord Elgin in the late 18th century due to a growing fascination with Greek art in Europe. The motivations behind Lord Elgin's actions remain debated, with some viewing him as a savior and others as a thief. Regardless, the Parthenon continues to be a source of fascination and controversy, showcasing the complexities of history and cultural heritage.

    • Elgin Marbles: Controversial Removal from AcropolisThe Elgin Marbles' removal from the Acropolis during Ottoman rule is a complex issue, with debates surrounding Elgin's permission, the use of marbles as building materials, and their eventual preservation in the British Museum

      The removal of the Elgin Marbles from the Acropolis in Athens during the early 19th century, when it was under Ottoman rule, is a complex issue with significant historical implications. At that time, the Acropolis was not the well-preserved archaeological site it is today but rather the principal fortress and shantytown of the Ottoman occupying force. The marbles were being used as building materials and were at risk of damage or loss. Elgin had permission to take some marbles, but the question of whether he exceeded his remit is still debated. He sawed off the backs of some marbles, a common practice at the time but not excusable today. The marbles ended up in the British Museum when Elgin went bankrupt and sold them to the British government. The authenticity and accuracy of the documents granting Elgin permission to remove the marbles are still in question. Overall, the Elgin Marbles' removal and preservation remain a contentious issue in the history of archaeology.

    • The Elgin Marbles: A Contentious Issue of Cultural HeritageThe Elgin Marbles, removed from the Parthenon in Greece and now housed in the British Museum, bridge the gap between Greek and Persian art and have influenced European culture extensively. The ongoing debate about their return reflects larger issues of cultural heritage ownership and access.

      The Elgin Marbles, removed from the Parthenon in Greece over 200 years ago and now housed in the British Museum, continue to spark intense debate about their significance and rightful place. The marbles hold great importance for the British Museum, as they bridge the gap between Greek and Persian art and have influenced European art and culture extensively. The ongoing debate about their return reflects the larger issue of cultural heritage ownership and access. Despite the complexities and differing viewpoints, it's clear that the marbles' historical, artistic, and cultural significance remains a topic of great interest and importance.

    • Companies reduce prices during inflationMint Mobile held a reverse auction for $15/month wireless service, 1-800-Flowers offers Mother's Day discounts, and Greece advocates for return of Parthenon Marbles

      During inflation, companies are finding ways to reduce prices to help consumers. Mint Mobile, for instance, held a reverse auction to offer its Unlimited Premium Wireless service for just $15 a month. Meanwhile, 1-800-Flowers is encouraging Mother's Day shoppers to celebrate their moms with discounts of up to 40% on select items. In the cultural world, the issue of national heritage and the return of artifacts from foreign museums continues to be a contentious topic. The Parthenon Marbles, held by the British Museum, are considered a source of national pride and identity for Greece, and the Greek government and various individuals have been actively advocating for their return. The creation of the Acropolis Museum in Athens has further fueled the campaign, with the Greek government and private investors using political capital and financial resources to push for the marbles' repatriation.

    • The Elgin Marbles debate goes beyond legal issuesThe Elgin Marbles debate is not just about returning stolen items, but also acknowledging and repairing past harms.

      The debate surrounding the Elgin Marbles, taken from the Parthenon in Greece and now housed in the British Museum, is not just a legal argument, but a political and cultural one. The British government and the museum have long maintained that it is the responsibility of the government or the trustees to make any decisions regarding the marbles' return. However, it is clear that any significant action would require the agreement of the British government and parliament. The restitution debate, which involves returning items taken during the colonial era to their places of origin, has gained momentum in recent years due to the Black Lives Matter movement and a wider reckoning with colonial history. The Benin Bronzes, taken from Nigeria in 1897, are often cited as a clear-cut example of colonial theft. The marbles' future remains uncertain, with some advocating for a long-term loan or sharing of the collection between Athens and London. Ultimately, this is not just about the marbles, but about acknowledging and repairing the harms of the past.

    • Debate over returning cultural artifacts taken during colonialismMany countries seek return of thousands of artifacts, but museums face concerns of complete denudation, and institutions like the British Museum aim for 'win-win' solutions while maintaining collections.

      The issue of restitution of cultural artifacts, specifically those taken from other countries during periods of colonialism, is a topic of ongoing debate. Thousands of bronzes and other artifacts have been taken over centuries, and now, many countries are pushing for their return. Institutions like the British Museum have faced pressure to return items, with some agreeing to do so. However, there are concerns that complete denudation of museums could result if the logic of restitution is followed. For instance, the V&A has received only a few restitution cases since 1999, and it still holds over 2.7 million items. Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis of Greece has struck a hopeful tone about finding a "win-win" solution regarding the Parthenon sculptures in the British Museum. Meanwhile, calls for the return of the Rosetta Stone from Egypt continue. Museums like the British Museum are seeking new partnerships and positive long-term solutions while maintaining their collections, which tell a unique story of human history.

    • Museums questioning their role and ownership in today's globalized worldMuseums, like the British Museum, are debating power dynamics and evolving to reflect our changing world, addressing issues of financial and cultural imperialism and sharing the definition of a global museum.

      Learning from this discussion between Dame Mary Beard and David Sanderson, hosted by David Romanovich on the Stories of Our Times podcast, is that museums, such as the British Museum, are actively questioning their role and ownership of cultural property in today's globalized world. They are grappling with issues of power, whether it be financial or cultural imperialism, and debating how to share and define what it means to be a global museum. These institutions have always been sites of interrogation and debate, and it's essential that they continue to do so to remain relevant. The answers to these complex questions won't come easily or quickly, but the conversation is an important step towards finding solutions. Museums are not just repositories of history, but living, breathing institutions that must evolve to reflect our changing world.

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