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    Why Cards Are A Long Game | A Sports Card Podcast

    enSeptember 05, 2020

    Podcast Summary

    • Gary Vaynerchuk Hiring Creators, Values Persistence and Human PsycheGary Vaynerchuk, CEO of VaynerMedia, is hiring creators. He values persistence and understands the human psyche. Believing in the potential of stars like Mookie Betts, Devin Booker, Luka Doncic, LeBron James, and Giannis, he emphasizes hard work, staying informed, and believing in potential.

      Gary Vaynerchuk, the CEO of VaynerMedia, is currently hiring creators and encourages passionate, hungry individuals to apply on garyvee.com/creators. He values persistence and understands the human psyche. Regarding the "GaryVee Effect" where his endorsements can significantly impact the value of cards, he acknowledges the potential downsides but remains confident in the long-term success of the athletes he supports, many of whom have impressive on-field records. He has not sold any cards himself and believes in the potential of stars like Mookie Betts, Devin Booker, Luka Doncic, LeBron James, and Giannis. Overall, Vaynerchuk emphasizes the importance of hard work, staying informed, and believing in potential. He's open to answering questions and encourages people to reach out to him.

    • Investing in lesser-known basketball players: risks and rewardsDo your own research before investing in young basketball players, stay focused on a narrow range of investments, and consider the long-term potential of your investments.

      While some individuals may criticize and take risks in investing in lesser-known basketball players, it's important to remember the historical context and potential risks involved. The speaker acknowledges the high-risk nature of investing in young players like Jason Dominguez and Wanda Franco, but also recognizes the potential rewards. He emphasizes the importance of doing one's own research and not blindly following the advice of others, especially those with larger audiences. The speaker also reflects on his past experiences in the market and shares his philosophy of staying focused on a narrow range of investments and being historically correct. Ultimately, he encourages investors to consider the long-term potential of their investments and to be prepared for market fluctuations.

    • Basketball Card Collecting: Long-Term Value and RisksConfidence in vintage basketball cards' long-term value, but newer players' potential risks and market maturity impact on strategic investments.

      The current trend in basketball card collecting, with its heightened popularity, carries risks for investors. The speaker expresses confidence in the long-term value of vintage basketball cards, such as those featuring George Gervin, Moses Malone, and Doctor J, despite potential dips in demand and value. However, he warns that some newer players, like Tyler Herro and Michael Porter Jr., may not live up to expectations and could see significant drops in value. The speaker also notes that the current market is characterized by high demand and low supply, but the eventual maturity of the market could lead to a shift in value towards more strategic investments, like high-graded cards from past eras. Ultimately, the speaker emphasizes the importance of understanding market trends and being aware of the risks involved in collecting basketball cards.

    • Sports Card Market Surge: Rookies and Cross-PollinationUnderstand market dynamics, make informed decisions, consider vintage collectibles, and adopt a balanced approach to collecting and investing.

      The sports card market is experiencing a significant surge in demand and value, driven by the hype around rookie players and collectibles from various sports and entertainment industries. This trend is expected to continue, but the market's saturation and cross-pollination between different collectibles may lead to some rookies' values collapsing. The speaker, who is an investor and collector, emphasizes the importance of understanding the market dynamics and making informed decisions based on individual perspectives and goals. He also mentions the potential impact of vintage collectibles from other industries, such as comic books, on the market. Ultimately, the speaker encourages a balanced approach to collecting and investing, acknowledging the challenges faced by those focused solely on collecting in today's market.

    • Understanding personal values and goals leads to self-sustaining successAnalyze market trends, population reports, and human psychology for informed decisions. Focus on long-term, strategic investing in limited supply items with anticipated demand.

      Having a clear understanding of personal values and goals, as well as the ability to adapt and make informed decisions, can lead to self-sustaining success in various areas of life, including investing and collecting. However, it's important to be cautious of potential scams and to focus on learning the fundamentals rather than relying solely on external tips or advice. The speaker emphasizes the importance of analyzing market trends, population reports, and human psychology to make informed decisions, and encourages a long-term, strategic approach to investing, particularly in vintage items with limited supply and anticipated demand. Ultimately, success comes from a combination of passion, knowledge, and a focus on the fundamentals, rather than short-term gains or following the crowd.

    • Market demands and trends impact card valuesDespite similar ratings, Jerry West's rookie card is more valuable due to market demand. New collectors and changing preferences drive interest in underpriced cards.

      The sports card hobby is subject to market demands and trends, which can significantly impact the value and desirability of specific cards. Using the examples of Tim Duncan and Jerry West, it was mentioned that despite their comparable PSA ratings and historical significance, the market demand for Jerry West's rookie card is much higher due to popular interest. The hobby is evolving, with the influx of new collectors and changing preferences, leading to increased interest in underpriced cards such as those from the Negro Leagues and cards featuring civil rights leaders. The future of the hobby is uncertain, with external factors like the economy and political climate influencing its direction. However, the passion and obsession with collecting remain constant, making it an intriguing and dynamic market to watch.

    • Sports card market growth and challengesNew collectors and high-profile sales fuel growth, but macroeconomic risks and community disagreements present challenges for the sports card market.

      The sports card market is experiencing significant growth and popularity, but it comes with vulnerabilities and potential contention. The market is being fueled by new collectors, especially younger generations, and high-profile sales. However, a potential risk is the possibility of a macroeconomic recession. Additionally, there are debates and disagreements within the community, which can lead to negativity and contention instead of enjoyment. It's important for collectors and industry professionals to focus on the positive aspects of the hobby and avoid getting bogged down by disagreements. The long-term potential for the sports card market remains strong, with a large and growing audience of young collectors. However, it's essential to approach the market with a clear understanding of the risks and challenges. Overall, the sports card market is an exciting and dynamic space, but it requires a thoughtful and informed approach.

    • Learning from the Past in Sports Card CollectingUnderstand the history and risks of sports card collecting, balance new and old, and collect for enjoyment, not just investment.

      Experience and context are valuable in understanding the complex world of sports card collecting. The speaker, who has been in the scene for decades, emphasizes the importance of learning from the past and respecting the history of the hobby. He acknowledges the hype surrounding new prospects but reminds us not to forget the injuries and uncertainties that come with them. He also advises against overcorrecting to the new and undercorrecting to the old, and instead, encourages a balanced approach. Lastly, he emphasizes the joy of collecting for enjoyment rather than investment. He shares his perspective as someone who has made mistakes in the past but has learned from them and now uses his platform to educate others.

    • A Dedicated Collector's Quest for Rare Basketball Cards and Vintage ItemsThis collector's focus is on high-grade George Mikan cards and modern sets like Kaboom, driven by a deep market understanding, commitment to research, and passion for unique and valuable items. Believes comic book culture may influence future value of Kaboom cards.

      This individual is a passionate and dedicated collector, with a particular focus on basketball cards and vintage items. He is always on the lookout for valuable and unique pieces, and is willing to invest significant time and resources into researching potential acquisitions. His collection includes a desire for high-grade George Mikan cards, as well as modern sets like Kaboom. He believes that comic book culture will influence the collectibles market, and Kaboom cards in particular may see significant value in the future due to their rarity, difficulty to grade, and comic book-inspired art style. Overall, this collector's approach is centered around a deep understanding of the market, a commitment to researching and projecting potential value, and a passion for the unique and valuable.

    • Emphasizing transparency and authenticity in sports card collectingBeing transparent about card holdings and reasons for buying/selling is crucial in sports card collecting. Authentic interactions and kindness foster a positive community. Avoid 'pump and dump' culture to maintain trust and avoid negative impact.

      Transparency and authenticity are important in the world of sports card collecting. The speaker, who is deeply involved in the hobby, emphasized the importance of being transparent about the number of cards one holds and the reasoning behind buying and selling them. He criticized the "pump and dump" culture and the negative impact it can have on individuals and the community as a whole. He also shared his personal experiences and how he values genuine interactions and kindness within the community. The speaker's passion for the hobby was evident, and he expressed his excitement for upcoming events and the sense of camaraderie within the community. Despite past criticisms, he acknowledged that everyone has different perspectives and motivations, and he appreciated the opportunity for open dialogue. Overall, the conversation highlighted the importance of authenticity, kindness, and transparency in the sports card collecting community.

    • Undervaluing Experience and Knowledge in the Collectible Card MarketExperience and knowledge in a field are valuable, even when newcomers enter and dominate the conversation. Recognize the importance of expertise and contributions beyond speaking in public forums.

      Experience and knowledge in a field can be undervalued when newcomers enter with limited understanding and impose their opinions. This was discussed in relation to the collectible card market, where some individuals were criticized for not speaking about the market during its boom despite being deeply involved and contributing to it in other ways. The speaker, Gary, shared his frustration with being criticized for not talking about cards during the pandemic, while also raising funds for a nonprofit and ensuring his business didn't go under. He noted that the hobby exploded during this time, and that his absence from the conversation didn't diminish his value or expertise. The conversation also touched on the surprising impact of the pandemic on the card market and the emergence of new trends. Overall, the discussion emphasized the importance of recognizing the value of experience and knowledge, even when newcomers enter the scene.

    • Exploring the Passion and Evolution of Sports Card Collecting with Gary VeeGary Vee reflects on missed opportunities, the importance of market knowledge, and the dedication of collectors in the ever-changing world of sports cards.

      The world of sports card collecting is deeply rooted in history, passion, and the ever-changing market. Gary Vee, a successful operator in the industry, shares his personal experiences and insights, emphasizing the importance of staying informed and understanding market trends. He laments missing opportunities to invest in cards he believed in during the past, but acknowledges that the industry would have eventually drawn young collectors towards it. The National show was a significant experience for him, as he felt the hobby evolving with him and his deep knowledge of the 1980s and 1990s cards. He also accepts the inevitability of market fluctuations and the potential blame that comes with it. Lastly, he addresses the phenomenon of collectors camping out at retail stores, emphasizing that it's not solely the fault of influencers or dealers, but a result of the collectors' own desire and dedication to the hobby.

    • Debating Purchasing Limits in Sports Card ReleasesSome argue for purchasing limits to ensure fairness, while others prioritize personal needs. The speaker advocates for conversation and emphasizes the role of rarity and supply/demand in sports card value.

      The debate over purchasing limits per customer during sports card releases at retail stores like Walmart and Target is a complex issue. Some believe that implementing a limit would help ensure fairness and accessibility for all customers, while others argue that it's a matter of personal priorities and family needs. The speaker expresses his frustration with the current system and suggests a conversation instead of blame. He also shares his excitement for the hobby, particularly the thrill of the hunt and the potential value of rare and vintage cards. The speaker emphasizes the importance of supply and demand in determining value and believes that rarity, whether intentionally manufactured or not, plays a significant role in the hobby's evolution.

    • Vintage Sports Cards: The Thrill of the Hunt and the Value of ResearchCollectors value both the physical and virtual aspects of vintage sports cards, seeking thrills from hunting for rare finds and analyzing potential investments.

      The speaker, an avid collector of vintage sports cards, values both the physical and virtual aspects of the hobby. He enjoys the thrill of hunting for rare finds at garage sales, thrift stores, and online reports, but also appreciates the research and analysis required to identify potential investments in the market. The speaker believes that the value of certain vintage basketball cards, such as those featuring Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain, will continue to rise, and that this could lead to increased demand for related collectibles. He also mentioned his excitement about the potential popularity of obscure sets and collaborations among a wider audience, including advertising executives and lawyers. The speaker emphasizes the importance of doing thorough research and understanding the market before making investments.

    • Staying true to beliefs and passions despite criticismEmpathize with different perspectives, stay committed to vision, and believe in oneself despite adversity leads to success

      Gary Vaynerchuk, despite facing numerous criticisms and dismissals throughout his career, has consistently stayed true to his beliefs and pursued his passions, ultimately leading to success. He emphasizes the importance of staying empathetic and understanding different perspectives, while also recognizing that ultimately, what matters most is the truth. Whether it be in the world of basketball cards, social media, or advertising, Gary has remained committed to his vision and has proven the naysayers wrong time and time again. He encourages listeners to stay the course and believe in themselves, even when faced with adversity. As Carlos Silva, a podcast reviewer, noted, Gary provides valuable insights for the present and offers actionable advice for those looking to succeed.

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