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    Why some Indonesians worry about a $20 billion climate deal to get off coal

    en-usMarch 09, 2023

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    • Helping Developing Countries Transition Away from CoalThe U.S. and other industrialized countries are investing $20 billion to help Indonesia transition away from coal and reduce carbon emissions, marking the largest deal of its kind. However, concerns about loopholes, price caps, and conflicts of interest could hinder the effort's success and impact future deals.

      The U.S. and other industrialized countries, through partnerships called Just Energy Transition Partnerships (JETPs), are attempting to help developing countries, like Indonesia, transition away from coal and reduce their carbon emissions. This deal in Indonesia is significant because it's the largest of its kind, with $20 billion in financing committed. However, there are concerns that loopholes, price caps, and potential conflicts of interest could undermine the effort and cast doubts on future deals to get other countries off coal. Indonesia is a crucial test case for this approach, as it currently relies heavily on coal for electricity production. The success or failure of this initiative could set a precedent for similar efforts in other developing countries, such as South Africa, Vietnam, and potentially India.

    • Indonesia's Coal Transition: Challenges and OpportunitiesIndonesia plans to use a $20B fund to retire coal plants early and integrate renewable energy, but faces challenges including timing, transparency, and sustainability.

      Indonesia, the world's largest exporter of coal for electricity, is facing a predicament due to overestimated growth projections and long-term coal contracts. To transition away from coal, the country is considering using a $20 billion fund to retire coal plants early and integrate renewable energy. However, there are concerns about this deal, which include: 1. Timing: The announcement came shortly after a new regulation was issued by Indonesia's president, which could complicate the implementation of the deal. 2. Transparency: The details of how the funds will be used are not yet clear, raising questions about accountability and potential misuse. 3. Sustainability: Despite the potential benefits, there are doubts about Indonesia's commitment to renewable energy and its ability to execute such a large-scale transition quickly and effectively. Indonesia's situation highlights the need for a more streamlined and efficient approach to transitioning from coal to renewable energy on a global scale. The country's experience could serve as a model for other countries looking to make similar transitions, but it also underscores the importance of careful planning, transparency, and commitment to ensure success.

    • Indonesia's new energy deal faces challenges to limit coal and reach renewable targetsDespite efforts to limit new coal plants and reach 34% renewable energy by 2030, Indonesia's energy transition faces challenges due to low coal prices, potential loopholes, and subsidies for coal-to-gas facilities.

      While Indonesia's new energy deal aims to limit new coal plants, it may not completely eliminate their construction due to potential loopholes. Additionally, the country's ambitious renewable energy targets face challenges due to low coal prices, making it difficult for renewables to compete. The deal's goal of reaching 34% renewable energy by 2030 is viewed as overly ambitious by industry experts due to these and other obstacles. Furthermore, Indonesia's plans to build coal-to-gas facilities add to the country's emissions and require subsidies. These issues raise concerns about Indonesia's ability to effectively transition to renewable energy and address climate change.

    • Indonesia's coal subsidies and powerful interests pose challenges for Just Energy Transition PartnershipIndonesia's commitment to decarbonization is being tested by its coal subsidies and powerful interests, raising concerns about conflicts of interest and lack of transparency. International banks are urged to stop funding new coal projects and Indonesian stakeholders' involvement is crucial for success.

      The Indonesian government's subsidization of coal and the involvement of politically powerful coal interests in the country's decarbonization efforts present significant challenges for the success of the Just Energy Transition Partnership. The potential for conflicts of interest and lack of transparency surrounding the deal have raised concerns among critics. The US special envoy for climate, John Kerry, has emphasized Indonesia's commitment to combating the climate crisis and transforming its economy, but there is a hope that more details about the deal will be made public and that international banks will stop funding new coal projects to send a stronger message about the need to move away from coal. The involvement of Indonesian stakeholders, particularly those in the renewable energy sector and environmentalists, is also crucial for ensuring the deal's success.

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