Arguing Agile Podcast

In this podcast, Enterprise Agility Coach Om Patel and Product Manager Brian Orlando discuss the most common disagreements, arguments, and spirited discussions that Scrum Masters find themselves in throughout their careers.

There were so many topics, we had to split this podcast into two!

0:00 Topic Intro: Most Common Disagreements
0:34 Today's Framework
0:59 Hourly Estimates
3:04 Relative Estimation
7:13 Re-Estimating After Discovering New Info
11:27 Scope Creep
17:50 Role Confusion
20:23 Aligning on Role Clarity
25:15 Pressure for More Velocity
26:47 Overcommitment
28:47 Measuring Value Delivered
33:33 Technical Disagreements
39:27 Wrap-Up
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In this episode, we explore an article titled "Do Infrastructure Teams Need Product Management."

Join Product Manager Brian Orlando and Enterprise Agility Coach Om Patel as we discuss the realities of Infrastructure or Platform teams and the reasons they team might or might not have a Product Manager.

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0:00 Topic Intro: Do Infrastructure Teams Need Product Management
0:26 Reading the Article
1:29 Om's Initial Take
3:13 Arguing on Observation #1: Seasoned Teams
4:37 Why So Scarce?
5:51 What is Culture?
9:00 Statement #2 - Solving Different Problems
14:01 Reframing the Argument
15:25 Examples from the Article
17:13 Going Over Each Point
18:49 Brian's Example of One Product, Multiple Teams
21:16 Common Use & Politics
27:26 Executive Interrupts
34:37 Listen with Empathy
35:07 Aligning with Strategy
39:29 Multiple Teams & the Bigger Picture
43:04 Article Conclusion
45:11 Brian's Call to Action
46:03 Om's Summary
48:53 Podcast Summary
50:31 Wrap-Up

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AA133 - Do Infrastructure Teams Need Product Management?

On this episode, Product Manager Brian Orlando and Enterprise Agility Coach Om Patel discuss the reporting structures of Product Management and dive into an article on the subject by Product Consultant, Jason Knight.

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Jason Knight's Full Article: "Falling in Love with Problems, and who SHOULDN’T Product Management report through?," published Feb 20, 2023.

0:00 Topic Intro: Who Should and Shouldn't Product Management Report Through
0:17 Jason Knight's Newsletter Article
2:08 Sidebar on "Bad Executives"
2:53 Founders and Company Size
3:56 Chief Marketing Officer
5:34 Om's Experience
7:12 Arguing On the CMO
10:41 Power Dynamics
12:07 Hot Take: Working with Sales
14:39 Chief Operating Officer
16:11 Experiences with the COO Cons
19:01 Pros of COO
21:02 Realities of the Operations
22:29 Customer Focus & Centricity
23:46 Chief Technology Officer
25:18 Arguing on the CTO Role
28:38 Shadow Roadmaps
32:01 Progression of the CTO Role
33:32 Chief Executive Officer
34:47 Cold Realities of Product Management
36:58 Testing Ideas
38:47 A Big Pro of the CEO
40:28 Article Conclusions
41:30 Arguing on CPOs
43:16 Unique CPO Requirements
46:49 Wrap-Up

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AA132 - Who Should Product Management Report Through?

On this episode, Product Manager Brian Orlando and Enterprise Agility Coach Om Patel discuss the reasons why everything is always priority one in some teams and software development organizations, their experiences in these organizations, and what might be done.

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0:00 Topic Intro: Everything is Priority One!
0:34 Not Touching This...
2:10 Unclear Product Expectations
7:00 Games with Metrics
10:33 Delegating to the Team
12:09 Misaligned Goals and Strategies
21:50 Team Overcommitting
26:45 Impact of Culture
29:55 Ineffective Inter-Team Communication
37:37 Artificial Urgency or Pressure
42:42 Technical Debt
46:31 Wrap-Up

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AA131 - EVERYTHING IS PRIORITY ONE!!!

Dive into the world of Agile software development, quality assurance, and testing in this knowledge and experience-packed podcast episode! Join a former QA Manager turned Product Manager and an Enterprise Agility Coach as we explore key topics around agile development and testing!

#AgileDevelopment #QualityAssurance #TestingInAgile #SoftwareQuality #TechDebt #CrossFunctionality #AutomationTesting #ShiftLeft #ScrumGuide #TechnicalProductPeople #SoftwareBugs #ReleaseProcesses #PodcastDiscussion #AgileMindset #EngineeringMindset #podcast

0:00 Topic Intro: Testing and Agile
0:16 Quality in the Scrum Guide
2:44 Tech Debt
4:15 Cross Functionality
6:23 Analytical & Engineering Mindset
10:29 Testing Mindset
11:25 Unburdening Development
14:50 Aligning Product and Quality
18:18 Technical Product People
22:01 Experiences with Bugs
26:15 Grades of Service
29:22 Shift Left
34:07 Automation
37:15 Advanced Release Processes
43:01 Wrap-Up

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On this episode, Enterprise Agility Coach Om Patel responds and discusses some typical complaints or gripes with agile practices and agilists in general.

0:00 Topic Intro: Gripes with Agile
0:26 Om's Immediate Response
2:25 Agile Has No Deadlines
5:08 Lack of Product
7:30 Giving Deadlines
9:43 No Documentation
11:47 Formality of Handoffs
16:36 No Long Term Planning
21:31 Systems Design & Architecture
25:20 Locking Down Scope (Scope Creep)
28:04 Inadequate Testing
32:36 Wrap-Up

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If everybody needs change management, then why are we so bad at it?

Today, returning Arguing Agile guest Stormy Dickson stops by for an in-depth discussion on change management, including:

• Why Having a Coach is a HUGE Bonus
• A Summary of "Leading Change" by John Kotter (from AA60)
• Where Change Typically Breaks Down
• The Importance of Setting and Communicating a Solid Vision
• The Importance of Short Term, Quick Wins
• What Happens When Leaders Fail
• Moving Forward with Assumption versus Evidence
• Consolidating & Anchoring Your Gains
• and on being Brave Enough to Lead the Change

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Product Manager Brian Orlando has the absolute pleasure of sitting down to talk agile transformations with the dynamic duo of Agility Coaching - William Kremner and Om Patel!

Listen as we discuss the pain points that organizations face that lead them to consider agility and as we offer advice on how to overcome these challenges.

Pain points aside, we also banter about:

• Aligning Stakeholders with Change
• Avoiding "Bubbles of Agility
• Courage in #Coaching
• Experimentation
• The Importance of Small Wins

0:00 Topic Intro: Why Are We Going Agile?
1:21 Pain Points
4:27 Considering the How
8:46 Arguing on Alignment
12:20 Fragile Bubble of Agile
15:21 Arguing on: Fragility
17:18 Courage & Coaching
19:38 It's Great, but Not Now
25:14 Experimenting Your Way to Success
29:41 Effects of Company Size
33:06 Product Skills
34:43 Diminishing Conviction
37:47 Small Wins
40:18 Avoiding Disaster
44:04 Coaching or Leading, Based on Maturity
47:16 Mitigating Risk Liability
50:06 Wrap-Up

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Offshoring in Software Development

0:00 Topic Intro: Offshoring
0:28 Cost of Labor
3:06 Not So Pure Cost
5:31 Product Quality
9:08 Larger Talent Pool
12:16 Replacing Employees (Attribution)
13:50 Time Zones (24/7 Development)
19:36 Irreconcilable Time Zone Differences
21:37 Less Support Staff
24:30 Missionaries, Not Mercenaries
25:52 Collaboration & Culture
31:19 Partners
33:31 Real Perspectives on Hiring Mercenaries
38:03 Counterpoint (Shoe Store Example)
41:52 Wrap-Up
42:40 Being "Southern"

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Are you a Scrum Master or Product Manager serving on multiple teams?

Are you feeling overwhelmed, or have you noticed certain problems that you can't quite put a name to? It could be that you've got one team (or a couple teams) too many!

On this episode, Enterprise Agility Coach Om Patel and Product Manager Brian Orlando discuss the effects of serving on multiple teams.

We discuss some situations and conditions that mitigate the effects of overload, and many that cause overload!

0:00 Topic Intro
0:20 Warning Indicators
1:12 Team Maturity
5:12 Org Structure
8:55 Level of Experience
12:57 Time Commitments
17:28 This One Scrum Master Trick...
18:30 Communication & Collaboration
22:19 Stakeholder Management Red Flags
24:11 Product Complexity
28:28 Our Advice
31:14 Wrap-Up

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The team constantly scans for impediments. The scrum master should be "causing the removal of impediments."

...but how?

In this episode, Enterprise Agility Coach Om Patel and Product Manager Brian Orlando deep dive into the world of impediments.

Are impediments the same as blockers?

Is a dependency an impediment?

How do we deal with organizational design and communication between teams as an impediment?

What happened to Brian's hair?!?

All these discussions and more, on this episode of Arguing Agile!

0:00 Topic Intro
0:38 Blockers & Impediments - The Difference
2:51 Tech Debt
4:35 Dependencies
11:22 Organizational Design Problems
13:11 Making Decisions
16:24 Silos Are Evil
21:36 Technical Impediments
22:26 Intra Team Communication
23:54 Technical Dependencies Again
27:39 Communicating with Other Teams
29:58 Ad Hoc, Scaled Refinements
35:46 Wrap-Up

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This episode promises to broaden your understanding of the Product Requirements Document's (PRD) significance as you join an experienced agile coach and a seasoned product manager as they deconstruct the PRD in Agile Software Development.

Delve into real-world examples like the Amazon Six Pager to understand how these documents contribute to clarity and alignment within the team.

Explore the importance (or not) of helpful documentation and check out Brian's Miro Board in action and how it challenges the traditional PRD

0:00 Topic Intro
1:12 What Is the PRD?
1:52 Amazon Six Pager Example
5:58 Reflecting on the 6-Pager
7:40 Aha! Example
9:21 Product School Example
10:41 Clarity & Alignment
12:35 Helpful Documentation
13:52 Brian's Opinions
16:31 Worst Case Scenario
19:14 Marty Cagan 4 Risks
20:52 Brian's Miro Board
25:30 Challenging the Miro Board
27:30 Updating the PRD
29:48 Deconstructing the PRD
32:29 Conclusions

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AA123 - Product Requirements Document in Agile Development

Ayo is back to talk about his experience with the same person serving as both Scrum Master and Product Owner.

With a different take on this topic, Enterprise Agility Coach Om Patel and Product Manager Brian Orlando explore what to do if you might be in this position rather than the textbook concept of "should" or "can" one person play both roles.

0:00 Topic Intro
0:42 The Textbook Answer
2:14 Ayo's Experience
4:16 Brian's Start in Product
7:38 Om's First Product Experience
8:18 Conflict of Interest
10:38 Doing More, Coaching Up
14:24 Split Accountability
17:13 Wearing Multiple Hats
19:15 Justifying the Job (Not the Role)
21:05 Critiques of the Scrum Guide
22:41 Management Expectations
25:17 Show Me the Money
28:29 How to Ask for Help
34:07 Before-and-After
36:27 Wrap-Up

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What happens when self organization goes off the rails?

Join another riveting episode as your hosts - an agile coach and a product manager  -dive deep into the fascinating world of self-organization within agile teams!

From cancelling sprint events to dealing with conflicts, your hosts explore various subjects that impact team dynamics and project success!

Discover valuable insights on leadership's viewpoint, the product's role, feedback loops, communication, and more!

Learn how to address decreased collaboration, anchor strong personalities, and tackle power imbalances to foster a truly self-organized and adaptable team!
0:00 Topic Intro
1:35 Cancelling Sprint Events
4:14 Leadership's Viewpoint
6:24 Product's Role
7:44 Organizational Roadmap
10:56 Decreased Collaboration
13:34 Anchoring & Strong Personalities
16:20 Inequality / Power Imbalance
17:47 Not Meeting Goals
20:09 Feedback Loops
24:12 Communication & Coordination
27:30 Coordination Assistance
30:34 Not Adapting to Change
34:44 Conflict
37:52 Wrap-Up

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AA121 - Self Organization Gone Bad

The CEO of AirBnB Brian Chesky made some (probably unintentional) waves when he announced at Figma's Config 2023 that he had eliminated the role of Product Manager.

In this podcast, we watch and respond to the entire talk. We dig past the clickbait and discuss the context behind his remark.

0:00 Topic Intro
0:35 Curtis's Breakdown
1:16 Config 2023 with Brian Chesky: Intro & Ordinary World
2:00 Discussion Break 1
2:55 Config 2023 with Brian Chesky: Call to Adventure
4:18 Discussion Break 2
7:47 Config 2023 with Brian Chesky: Refusal of the Call
9:00 Discussion Break 3
11:00 Config 2023 with Brian Chesky: Meeting the Mentor
11:54 Config 2023 with Brian Chesky: Crossing the Threshold
13:19 Discussion Break 4
18:12 Discussion: A Vision for Org Transformation
21:08 Config 2023 with Brian Chesky: The Approach
21:54 Discussion Break 5
23:12 The Clickbaitey Part You Saw on LinkedIn
24:12 Discussion Break 6
27:03 Arguing On: Centralizing Decision Making
30:39 Config 2023 with Brian Chesky: The Ordeal
31:37 Discussion Break 7
33:27 Config 2023 with Brian Chesky: The Road Back
33:51 Discussion Break 8
35:17 Config 2023 with Brian Chesky: The Return
36:01 Discussion Break 9
37:03 Design Driven Strategy
38:17 Discussing: Design Driven Strategy
40:48 Growth for Growth's Sake
43:00 Shared Services Model
46:01 Where is the Value?
47:57 Arguing On: Roadmaps
51:08 The Power of Stories and Narratives
52:45 Thinking Like a Business Owner
55:24 User Journey Maps
58:02 Closing Statements
1:00:26 Summary
1:03:39 Wrap-Up

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AA120 - Did AirBnB Fire All their Product Managers?

Today we're answering more fan mail!

In this podcast, we answer Mitch's question by discussing the different software development methodologies available and what happens when management forces a methodology on a team.

We cover the pros and cons of each methodology, as well as some of the common pitfalls that can occur when a methodology is forced on a team and we might even share tips for better aligning a software development methodology with your team(s)!

0:00 A Real Intro
0:12 Topic Intro
1:20 Waterfall
5:30 The Insidious Nature of Waterfall
7:41 Dual Track Agile
10:45 Mandated Waterfall
13:19 Common Waterfall Drivers
16:49 Slide to Mediocrity
21:06 Mandated Scrum
25:39 Brian's First Scrum Experience
27:58 Questionable Scrum Practices
31:18 Waterfall to Agile
33:28 Customizing Scrum
35:23 Kanban
37:46 Leadership Kanban
44:31 Lean
46:35 XP
53:58 Wrap-Up

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AA119 - Software Development Methodologies

With all the layoffs facing agile professionals, Scrum Masters might be looking at open Project Manager positions.

If you're a Scrum Master, moving to Project Management - this podcast will walk you through some of what you might expect.

0:00 Topic Intro
1:00 What's a Project Manager
3:22 Position Decline
7:56 The Contracting Market
9:37 Scrum Master Development
13:24 Consultant Agile Coaches
14:34 Skills to Learn
17:25 Doing Things from Scratch
21:35 Managing Risks
26:40 Scaling
28:38 Scrum Master Benefits
32:16 More Scrum Master Benefits
34:23 Dealing with Customers
37:20 Should You Move?
39:42 Wrap-Up

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AA118 - Scrum Master to Project Manager Career Transition

Should we all just be promising and committing to dates when asked?

Today, we're reacting to an article that seemed to express the opposite opinion of our our Roadmaps episode. On further inspection, we find that it's not exactly what it seemed to be at first glance.

Our Roadmaps Episode: AA113 - Debating Outcome-Based vs Output-Based Roadmaps

A step back into time about the XBox One Launch:
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/11/spencer-microsoft-almost-abandoned-xbox-brand-after-the-xbox-one-launch/

...and another...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2015/09/09/microsofts-former-xbox-head-xbox-one-launch-problems-were-predictable-and-preventable/?sh=322bcd9d49de

...and another...
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-microsoft-bungled-the-xbox-one-launch-2015-8

0:00 Topic Intro
0:45 Reading the Article
2:24 Moving Along...
5:21 Slinging Dates
8:10 Deadlines & Shell Games
11:00 Valid Date Discussions (or Are They?)
13:09 Being Late is No Big Deal (Unless It Is)
16:07 Accountability Issues
17:55 Cut the Scope, Make the Schedule
20:25 A Basic Untruth
21:45 Questions, Not Statements
25:19 Summarizing the Article
27:31 The Blame Game
29:01 Suggestions for Estimation
30:59 Wrap-Up

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AA117 - You Should Do Time-Based Estimates (Article Review)

Have you ever been referred to as an Agile Purist?

We have - and today, we're talking about this derogatory label! Who might you hear this from? Why might they say it? What can (and should) you do when you hear it?

0:00 Topic Intro
0:43 Why You Hear It
2:24 Executives
4:39 Pragmatic Management
6:25 Brian's Pushback
7:21 Project Managers
8:49 Product Managers
10:09 Engaging with the Statement
12:01 The Empathetic First-Step
13:26 Examples: What is Agile
15:51 Consultants and/or Vendors
21:06 Siloed Team Members
24:37 Quality Assurance & Testing
27:15 Training and Adapting
30:27 Summary & Wrap-Up

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AA116 - Breaking Labels: The "Agile Purist" Stereotype

Both Product Manager Brian Orlando and Product Manager Tricia Barnes have been recommending to our favorite Special Mystery Guest that she consider transition her career towards Product Management.

On this episode, we talk about the benefits, advantages, and concerns of a Scrum Master moving into a Product role.

Bonus points if this has been your career journey - we'd like to hear from you in the comments!

0:00 Topic Intro
0:12 Less Stress
4:32 Growth for Scrum Masters
12:33 Leadership Skills
15:44 Accountability & Decision Making
20:41 Accountability & Communication
26:09 Compensation
30:47 Agile Experts
33:46 Equity, Permanent Roles, & Consulting
35:10 Business Analyst
37:07 Ad-Hoc Salary Searches
39:07 Communication, Empathy, & Advocacy
42:23 Career Advancement
46:35 Accepting Responsibility
47:55 Summary
48:46 Wrap-Up

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AA115 - Going from Scrum Master to Product Manager (and why you should)