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    Interviewing cidermakers, importers, orchardists, foodies, farmers and cider enthusiasts around the world. Let’s delve into the semantics of cider…or is it hard cider, cidre, sidra or fermented apple juice? The truth is out there in Ciderville and we are going to find it. We toast in celebration of cider; As a libation, a gift from the gods, a taste of terroir, and a hard pressed good time. Ready to quench your thirst? Grab a glass and join this chat! See you in Ciderville!
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    403: Botanist and Barrel Eclectic Ferments | NC

    403: Botanist and Barrel Eclectic Ferments | NC

    Meet one half of the family team at Botanist and Barrel

    Botanist and Barrel is a family owned and operated cidery. Kether Smith and brother Lyndon and their respective spouses Derick McGuffey and Amie Fields make the magic happen at this eclectic cidery. They began selling cider commercially in 2017 and they all enjoy making cider.

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    Lyndon Smith and Amie Fields

    There are two tasting rooms. Production happens at the Cedar Grove Location and in Asheville you can visit the Botanist and Barrel Tasting Room.

    In this Cider Chat

    Lyndon and Amie were interviewed while attending CiderCon 2024 in Portland Oregon. They provide tips on how to approach their products when visiting the tasting room.

    • Try a flight. There are four flight options.
      • Sour and Spice Flight
      • Barrel aged
      • Any thing goes
      • Hybrids and co-ferments
    • The ciders and co-ferments of Botanist and Barrel
    • Tips for working with family members
    • Visiting the tasting rooms

    Contact and Visit Botanist and Barrel

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    402: Michigan's Simply, Spectacular PIF Cider

    402: Michigan's Simply, Spectacular PIF Cider

    Meet the Founders of Presque Isle Farm Cider a.k.a PIF

    Molly and Dion Stepanski are the founders of of PIF Cider with an inviting Tasting Room located in Alpena, Michigan. They met in New Orleans where Dion was working as a Jazz muscian and Molly in a store. In 2014 they move to farm vegetables at Dion’s family farm in Posen, MI. There they planted a one acre orchard which Dion describes as high density, but not trellised. They sources their apples from Michigan’s TraverseCity area which is to the west of Alpena.

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    Dion and Molly

    From the outset they wanted to make English Style Ciders and by all accounts they are hitting this target straight out producing delectable ciders that please the palate and made this cider podcast host swoon with delight.

    In this Cider Chat with PIF Producers

    • The backstory of PIF and the Stepanski’s journey to cider
    • Cider making techniques at PIF
      • Native yeas
      • Barrel program
      • Blends and Single varietal
    • The cider fans of Presque Island and the surrounding area.
      • What can guests expect when visiting.
    • How to get PIF products!

    PIF Cider Tasted

    • 2022 Farmhouse 8.2%
      • Kingston Black
      • Bulmers Norman
      • Brown Snout
      • Northern Spy
      • Label by their son
    • Kingston Black and Bulmers 50/50
      • Made in Stainless
    • Single Varietal Spitzenberg 2021 12.5%
      • Aged for 2 years in Bourbon Barrel
    • Clean Ciders meaning pitched yeast
      • Golden Russet, Harrison blend 9% semi dry
      • Bulmers Norman and Coxs Orange Pippin
      • Farmhouse back sweeten with French Bittersweet concentrate
        • This is in a can and is a slight variation from the 750 ml bottles
    Cider Chat Episode 402 PIF ciders for sale in taproom
    Ciders for sale in Taproom
    Cider Chat Episode 402 PIF 750 ML bottles

     

    Contact info for Presque Island Farm Cider

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    401: Celebrity Chef Brian Duffy Cider Pairing Tips

    401: Celebrity Chef Brian Duffy Cider Pairing Tips

    Chef Duffy Talks Cooking with Cider

    Chef Brian Duffy is one of the culinary’s industry’s most dynamic and innovative personalities. 

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    Chef Brian Duffy

    With a career that spans decades, He has been captivating audiences with his infectious passion for food and his unique approach to the culinary arts. He is well known for his appearances on the tv and the series “Bar Rescue,” where Chef Duffy helped transform struggling bars, offering expert advice and renovations to revitalize their business and create successful, thriving establishments.

    In this episode of Cider Chat we are tapping into Chef’s contemplative side and getting his thoughts on the both cooking with cider and pairing cider with food.

    In this Cider Chat with Chef Brian Duffy

    We taste through 4 ciders

    Topics in this Cider Chat

    •  What is Chef Brian Duffy up to.
    • Cooking with cider
    • Pairing cider with food 
    • Let’s talk PH when pairing cider – Most bars serve high acid pub food/dishes with drinks. For those who want to balance acid and alkaline offerings, what are the options? Looking for pub/restaurant dishes that you would recommend.
    • 3 tips for a success restaurant or cidery serving food
    • Typical mistakes to avoid when serving food

    Contact Chef Brian Duffy

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    400: To Ciderville With Love

    400: To Ciderville With Love

    A Special Valentine to Ciderville with Love

    This episode is a special valentine to Ciderville with a little bit of help from the Talking Pommes and an eventful appearance by The Nose!

     We are in the Cider House reviewing the last year and have written a special card to everyone out there in your special spot in Ciderville.

    In this episode we say good bye to Season 8 while reviewing the uniques of cider, what we all need to do to keep relationships in Ciderville healthy, and how to help keep cider going up a.k.a #ciderGoingUP.

    Cider Chat Episode 400 To Ciderville with Love

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    399: Sweden Embraces Non Alcoholic Ciders at Pomologik

    399: Sweden Embraces Non Alcoholic Ciders at Pomologik

    The Low ABV Cider Revolution in Sweden

    In Strängnäs Sweden, circa 2017, Johan Sjöstedt, Oskar Palm, and Patrik Svensk began selling ciders commercially under their brand Pomologik. They didn’t set out to make low alcohol cider nor even non alcoholic cider when they started, but a lot can change in a few short years.

    Cider Chat Episode 399 with Johan of Pomologik in Sweden
    Johan

    In this Cider Chat

    • John Sjöstedt’s journery to cider
    • How a US cider bar encouraged Swedish cider makers
    • How a cider purist can shift perspective
    • Low alcohol by volume (ABV) ciders and Non Alcohol Ciders in Sweden
    • Cider techniques
    • Cider Styles
    • Cider Fests in Sweden – Nordic Craft Cider Festival
    • Who are Sweden’s cider fans
    • Who can visit Pomologik…for now.

    Contact for Pomologik

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    398: Cider in Florida? Visit Green Bench Brewing, Mead & Cider

    398: Cider in Florida? Visit Green Bench Brewing, Mead & Cider

    Saint Peterburg on Florida’s West Coast Welcomes Green Bench

    Green Bench can boast being a microbrewery, meadery, and cidery in a region where palm trees rule! Despite that small inconvenience of no apples trees to speak of growing in Florida, maker Brian Wing has been rolling out the cider barrels since 2015. Green Bench itself has been producing select beers beginning in 2013.

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    Brian Wing

    In this Cider Chat with Maker Brian Wing

    • Fermenting in Florida. Where is the production facility located. (Webb’s City Cellar?)
    • How did this all come about? Brewing begins in 2013 then 6 yrs later (2019) cider & mead.
    • Brian’s journey to cider
    • What are the challenges of cider making in FL (resourcing from…NY…)
    • Who are the cider fans in St. Peterburg and the surrounding area. Has this changed since you opened and if so, how.
    • Training of staff to pour and discuss cider – loved how you were planning for this on the tour
    • What can guest expect when visiting.
      • Is there a flagship cider that one should try first?
      • Malus is the Flagship cider – try this one first!
    • Cider styles and techniques
      • Fermenting with fruits from Florida for co-ferments
      • Florida honey ferments
    • Filtering using a centrifuge
    • Barrel program

    Cider Tasted During this Interview

    • Chaconne
      • A dry cider made by Green Bench Brewing Company. It’s made with Wickson Crab, Yates, and Harrison apples, and has an ABV of 6.4%

    Contact for Green Bench Brewing, Mead & Cider

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    397: Nature Evolves in the Glass | Wildcraft Cider Works, OR

    397: Nature Evolves in the Glass | Wildcraft Cider Works, OR

    Fermentations Run without Fear at Wildcraft

    Sean Kelly founded Wildcraft Cider Works in 2014. His journey to cider making began in 2008. It follows his botanicals passion, quest for tree resources & conservation, in concert with travels to Latin America where he learned how to ferment. He honors the preservation and the medicinal value of the plants and does a mighty fine job of capturing the essence of a wide variety of pomes, grapes and botanicals in the glass.

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    Sean Kelly

    Cider Making at Wildcraft

    • Only Native Yeast
    • No sulfites
    • Co-ferment
      • botanical
      • grapes
      • pome fruits – pear, quince, medlars
    • Barrel aging

    Cider’s Tasted in this Cider Chat

    • Pisgah Heriloom
    • Restoration Perry – wild rootstock pears
    • Medlar

    Wildcraft Products

    • Ciders
    • Perry
    • Brandies – POM-MISTELLE – a set of 3 brandies, apple, quince and pear
    • Fire Cider
    • Hot Sauce – Peppers gleaned from Camas Swale Farms. Fermented and aged in house brandy barrels

    Annual Events at Wildcraft

    • March 2nd Tap Takeover – an array of ferments on tap
    • Fiddlehead Festival – Last weekend of April
    • Harvest Party – fall

    Mentioned in this Cider Chat

    • Freeman Rowe
    • French Cider Tour – September 22-28, 2024 Reservations are now open

    396: PDX Audio Clips | CiderCon 2024

    396: PDX Audio Clips | CiderCon 2024

    Pre-conference PDX Audio Clips

    This Cider Chat Live features clips from CiderCon 2024 which took place in Portland, Oregon. What was particularly unique about this year was the ice storm that took place.

    Pictured below is a car driven from the border of Oregon and California to PDX. It is incased in ice and is a testament of just how ferocious the storm was. Despite the ice, the cider kept pouring.

    Enjoy this Cider Chat Live

    Ander's car and its Ice Cap when he arrived at the main hotel

     

    395: PDX Tips for CiderCon 2024

    395: PDX Tips for CiderCon 2024

    Bookmark this episode for loads of Portland Oregon a.k.a. PDX Tips

    Oregon Cider Week and CiderCon 2024 are all converging in PDX and this episodes has all the tips you need arrive and hit the ground running. Portland resident Sean Connolly, who is also known as Cider Experience on Instragram and Facebook has delivered big time with tons of tips and insider knowlege to help everyone feel like a local.

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    Sean Connolly

    In this Cider Chat on PDX Tips

    • Temperature
      • Highs 47 degrees
      • 50/50 chance of rain or sunny
      • Bring layers
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    • What to wear
      • Jeans and plaids work
      • Casual dress code and functional

    PDX Tips to look like a local: Loose the umbrella and let your hair get wet! When using an umbrella, it is obvious you are from out of town!

    • Transportation
    • Airport (PDX) to CiderCon – The Met Red line is not in service beginning January 14th. Service will be still provided via shuttle buses which will take a bit longer than the 30 minute ride. It is still a great deal at $2.80
    • Bicycles for Rent in PDX
      • Nike Launch a travel by bike – https://biketownpdx.com/
      • There are lots of bike lanes
      • Spring Water Corridor runs the length of the Willamette River approximately 7-8 miles
    • Need Tech help or supplies?
      • The Lloyd Center is close by and in old town Portland there is a full service Apple Stor

    PDX Tips for purchases: There is no Sales Taxes in Oregon

    • Restaurants near CiderCon
      • Red Robin
      • Spanish Tapas
      • Noble Rot – beautiful views of the city
      • Big Pink – City Grill on 33rd floor with great views
      •  Sizzle Side Pizza
      • Spirit of 77 Seas recommends for good pub faire
    • Grocery stores by Hyatt
      • Safeway approximately 3/4 mile
      • Trader Joes about 4 miles away in the Hollywood district

    PDX Tips: The city is Food Trucks heaven – Look for “Food Cart Pods” via Travel Portland ‘s online food cart finder

    Cider

    Cider Locations closest to Hyatt and Oregon Convention Center

    • Schilling Cider House – a wide range of taps approx 1 Mile from the Hyatt
    • Spirit of 777 Tap take over
    • Pizza Thief – the tap
    • Lil Spirits – a block and half from Convention Center – tap takeovers – 437 NE Lloyd Blvd Portland, OR 97232
    • The Place PDX – A cider bar will be hosting multiple cider events

    In Pearl District on west side of river

    • Bring Cider or Beer Home
    • The Place PDX – buy bottles to go
    • John’s Marketplace big collection of both cider and beer – 3560 SE Powell Blvd -Portland, OR 
    • McMenamins has a large selections
    • New Seasons Market
    • Pick up cider and beer at the Portland International Airport
      • Look for Made in Oregon Store in airport

     Sean’s PDX Tips for Fun in Portland

    PDX Tips for Cannabis: Oregon Legalized Cannabis in 2015. There are 5 dispensaries around the hotel conference center. Look up: WhatsLegalOregon.com

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    394: Cider Notes Heading Into 2024

    394: Cider Notes Heading Into 2024

    It’s time to make your Cider Notes for 2024

    The list of cider notes can be quiet long, but in this episode we are going to make it doable and easy for you.

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    In this Cider Chat on Cider Notes

    • The Talking Pommes encourage Ria to slow down
    • Sign up for the last cider tour heading out at CiderCon 2024
    • French Cider Tour reservations
    • Wassails

    Past Cider Making Episodes

    Equipment needed for Cider’s Secondary Ferment

    Find a complete list with links to purchase at the Cider Making Equipment page at ciderchat.com

    • Extra Apple Juice to for topping off
    • Secondary Fermenter – glass carboy of equal size
    • Airlock and Bung
    • Racking Cane or Auto-Siphon
    • Sanitizer
    • Hydrometer or Refractometer
    • Tubing & a clothes pin ( a Ria tip to have on hand for clamping tubing as you go so it can be managed to insure that the tube doesn’t slip down into the lees and stir them up)
    • Bottle Brush and Cleaning Equipment

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    393: How to Wassail & Drink Hail

    393: How to Wassail & Drink Hail

    What does Wassail & Drink Hail mean?

    In this episode learn about meaning behind Wassail and Drink Hail from the Butler himself, Al Sax.

    A Wassail is a celebration of the orchards, most typically apple orchards to honor the natural world and pay tribute with hopes of an abundant fruiting season moving forward.

    A Wassail is also a cheer

    • When you hear someone say “Wassail” it means -Be Healthy!
      • The reply is “Drink hail” –  To your health!
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    Al as the Butler at the Wassail

    When time of year to Wassail?

    Historically a Wassail would be held on the 6th of January or what is known as the Twelfth Night.  Or on the 17th of January which is called “Old Twelvey”

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    Procession to the main Wassail fire

    In these modern times a Wassail can take place when it is most appropriate considering the weather and outside temperatures. There is no strict protocols, but rather traditions that when followed harken us all back to our ancestral roots and pagan ways.

    Where do Wassails take place?

    In the orchard surrounding a large fire, a fire circle and in some places 12 small rings of fire for the 12 apostles or for the twelve signs of the Zodiac.

    Indoor Wassails are also doable for those who can’t go outside during -6 degree temperatures. Thus, a Wassail can take place at a Senior Center or a Day Care with songs being sung around a plant or small tree.

    How to Make a Torch for Wassailing

    The end goal is all the same, to sing to the orchard, the apple tree(s), to ward off the apple foes and to harken in better times ahead.

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    The Old Apple Tree of the Wassail

    How to Plan for your own Wassail

    • Have a fire keeper who will make sure the wood is ready and lit to greet the parade of merry makers
    • Set a meeting spot for everyone to gather and then walk to the oldest or largest apple tree. The fire is often very nearby.
    • Have “Safe” Torches, flashlights to lead the crowd to the main fire
    • Have some hot mulled cider, which is always good for a loud “Wassail and Drink Hail” reply
    • Have a Master of the Ceremony or what is known as the “Butler”
    • Select a King and Queen
    • Have slices of Toasted bread
    • Have Cider to drink and to pour a bit on the toast and onto the ground
    • Hand out lyrics to the Wassail songs
    • The King and Queen lead the group up to the Apple Tree
    • Place the toast on the limbs
    • Pour cider on the roots of the tree
    • Make noise to ward off the evil spirts – this is your chance to call out “Wassail” and then reply “Drink Hail”!
    • If Morris Dancers are available they would do a dance or two
    • Have a taste of two of Wassail – pick an option that best suits your crowd. It can be a hot mulled cider, with or without spices or fortified with brandy, perhaps a wee bit of honey?

    A two handled cup or goblet is the classic Wassail cup that would be passed round, but these days any fine drinking cup would do sans the passing around.

    Wassail and Drink Hail around the world

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    392: Bent Ladder Estate Ciders & Wine | Ohio

    392: Bent Ladder Estate Ciders & Wine | Ohio

    The Vodraska Brothers Chris & Matt of Bent Ladder

    In the midst of a rich farming legacy emerged Bent Ladder Cider and Wine, based in Doylestown Ohio. Chris and younger brother Matt Vodraska are following in their father Dale’s footsteps. Chris is the orchardist and viticulturist and Matt is the cidermaker. The farm is the story.

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    Chris Vodraska

    Dating back to 1995 their father Dale was eyeing farmland that was by all accounts destine for development. In 2004, he “finally wore down the seller” as his sons put it and bought the 128 acre farm. Today there are 3-4 acres of vineyards and 30-40 acres of orchards. The site hosts both the Bent Ladder production area and stunning tasting room and Rittman Orchards & Farm Market.

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    Matt Vodraska

    In the Cider Chat with Chris and Matt

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    Sunset view from tasting room
    • The Vodraska Family’s back story to present day
    • The orchards,
      • Size, terrain, soil typeNumber of apple varieties
      • Orchard practices
    • Kazakstan and Krygzstan scion wood graftings at Bent Ladder
      • Is this Malus Sieversii?
        • Up coming ciders with these apples
    • Ciders at Bent Ladder
      • At the Tasting Room find draft, flights and glasses of select ciders
    • Heritage Ciders in 750ml
      • Heriloom
      • Farmstead
      • Rose Gold – mostly Redfield in wine barrels
      • Black Gold a single varietal Gold Rush 
      • Russet
      • EverCrisp Cider 
    • Cidermaking practices
    • The tasting room
    Cider Chat Episode 392 Bent Ladder Tasting room and production facility

    Contact Bent Ladder

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    391: Test Winters & Climate w/Saint Lawrence Nurseries (NY) Founder

    391: Test Winters & Climate w/Saint Lawrence Nurseries (NY) Founder

    Saint Lawrence Nurseries is a specialized tree nursery in New York state, renowned for its expertise in cold-hardy fruit and nut trees with a committment to sustainable and organic practices. The nursery, which was originally founded in the 1920s by Fred L. Ashworth of Heuvelton, NY, was initially more of a hobby and experimental station for Ashworth. Bill MacKentley met Fred in 1971 and they developed a strong, almost familial relationship. After Fred’s death in 1977, Bill and his wife Diana purchased the land in Potsdam, NY, where Fred had done much of his grafting and breeding. In 1981, they produced the first official St. Lawrence Nurseries catalog.

    Cider Chat Episode 391 Bill MacKentley of Saint Lawrence Nurseries

    For 34 years, the MacKentleys cultivated Saint Lawrence Nurseries into a unique and well-loved business, carrying on Fred Ashworth’s passion for growing and propagating fruits and nuts suitable for northern climates.

    The MacKentley, were planning their retirement and phasing out their business around 2015. Connor Hardiman who began working at Saint Lawrence Nurseries years earlier stepped in to take over rather than allowing the nursery to close. He and his wife Alyssa are the new stewards of Saint Lawrence Nurseries and are helping to herald in a new era for the Nurseries.

    Do note that many refer to Saint Lawrence Nurseries as SLN.

    The Ups and Downs of Climate and Test Winters

    Citing from a Cornell University study for 1981, that stated the the the previous 40 years had been the best years of agriculture (good weather patterns) in the world. Of particular note is that moving forward from 81 onward, one can now expect that the climate was returning to normal. Note that this was serval years before climate change was being discussed to the degree that it is today.

    Says Bill, “We have got to get our act together [in regards to climate change].

    Who is Fred L. Ashworth

    Born in 1898, Ashworth studied the trees that survived the 1938 kill off of apples and studied them very closely. He began the nursery in the 1920s. He also worked with nut trees, potatoes and inspired Bill’s career at Saint Lawrence Nurseries.

    Role Models in Research

    Contact Saint Lawrence Nurseries

    Connor Hardiman is now the steward of the Nurseries. Find his contact below and reach out to Connor to contact Bill.

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    390: Renaissance Orchards Keeved & French Style Ciders | WA

    390: Renaissance Orchards Keeved & French Style Ciders | WA

    Meet Chris Rylands of Renaissance Orchards

    First there was Cider Supply and then Chris founded Renaissance Orchards with his wife Melinda. This move was a natural progression of a series of events that include resources needed for making a keeved cider and the thirst for a particular style of cider.

    The orchards and the Rylands are based in Ferndale a town just south of the Canadian border in Washington state.

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    Chris Rylands

    In this Cider Chat with Chris of Renaissance

    • What happened to Cider Supply?
    • Why French style ciders?
    • The orchards at Renaissance
      • number of apple varieties and pear 
    • Products
      • cider
      • scion
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    Melinda

    Spotlight on Single Varietal Ciders

    Hear how Chris dug into 16 cider specific apples to understand the best blending practices for cidermaking. Each label shows:

    • a picture of the specific apple
    • charts that apple’s
      • tannin
      • aromatics
      • acidity
      • astringent
      • sweetness
      • phenolics
    • The origin of the apple, including location
    • How to use – best as a blender or as a single variety cider
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    Contact for Renaissance Orchards

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    389: Epic 7-Volume Compendium on North American Apples w/Daniel Bussey

    389: Epic 7-Volume Compendium on North American Apples w/Daniel Bussey

    Author Daniel J. Bussey's "The Illustrated History to Apples in the United States and Canada"

    The Illustrated History of Apples in the United States and Canada is a seven-volume set of books that documents the history of apples in North America written by Daniel J. Bussey. The book was edited by Kent Whealy and published in 2016 by JAK KAW Press LLC. 

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    Daniel J. Bussey

    The set covers over 16,000 apple varieties, including nearly 10,000 synonyms and 1,400 watercolor paintings. Each volume is between 500 and 600 pages long and weighs 32 pounds (14.515 kg).

    In 2018 this compendium received the Literary Award by the Council of Botanical and Horticultural libraries.

    Dan was inspired by Fred Lape’s book Apples and Man. Another key literature source was John Ashton Warner’s American Pomology (1867). The bibliography with line drawings of apples resulted in developing links with a network of book dealers and a rather exhaustive delving into historic documents, that predated the internet, right across the USA in the archives of fruit and horticulture societies.

    In this Chat with Dan Bussey

    • Dan’s journey to apples
    • What propelled Bussey to write this book?
    •  How he gathered the info for researching this topic
    •  What readers can expect to find in the book
    •  How to use the book
      • Why the synonyms are important in this series.
    • How many apples in the book – how many apples known today (worldwide)
    •  Favorite stories from writing the book
    • Favorite apples?

    Contact Daniel J. Bussey

    Go to the contact page for JAK KAW Press https://www.jakkawpress.com/order

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    388: French Origins of American Apples | The Grand-Mères

    388: French Origins of American Apples | The Grand-Mères

    Discover the Apple Grand-mères/Grandmothers of North America

    Todd Little-Siebold (Ph.D.) spoke at New York Apple Camp (2023) on a presentation titled the "Three Grandmothers" or Grand-mères in French. The sub title is "We have to reframe how we think about the origins of American Apple".

    Todd is a professor of history and Latin American studies at the College of the Atlantic based in Bar Harbor Maine. As such this presentation is academic in nature and inspires both present day pomologist and apple fans of today and tomorrow to continue to trace the ancestral roots of the apple. Enjoy this exploration in to the continuing research behind the origins of apples.

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    Todd Little-Siebold

    The “French” Grandmothers or Grand-mère

    • Le grand- mère: Rienette Franche (Grise or Grauwe)
    • Unknown 13
    • Reinette a longue (Queue or Reinette a la long Queue)
    • Calville Rouge

    Understand (French) history to understand American Apples

    This research requires looking at genetics and early settlement of French explores long before any English explorers showed up on North America.

    Additional topics covered in this presentation:

    • When and where, were the French (apple) ancestors brought to America?
    • The early settlements on North America
    • Bay of Funday the first orchard planted in 1604
    • 4,000 French farmers in the Mississippi Valley in 1700s
    • The Dutch impact of American apples
    • What about the pilgrims? Didn’t they bring apples to America?
    • Native American’s impact on apples in America
    • Genetics provides some evidence, but still looking for missing links of why English apples aren’t showing up.

    Contact Todd Little-Seibold

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    387: American Cider Association CEO & CiderCon 2024

    387: American Cider Association CEO & CiderCon 2024

    Catching up with Michelle McGrath CEO of the ACA

    CiderCon 2024 takes place in Portland, Oregon, making it the perfect time to chat with the American Cider Association's CEO Michelle McGrath. The Northwest Cider Association is also involved helping with the cider tours on Monday and Tuesday and Oregon Cider Week!

    Ep 387 Cider Chat Michelle McGrath

    • Who is Michelle McGrath? Why did your job title change from Ex Dir to CEO? The latter, is a typical of a for-profit organization title. Was this new title part of signifying a greater change for the ACA moving forward?
    • What are the key services that the American Cider Association is providing to its membership?
    • Who can join the American Cider Association?
    • CEO Michelle’s must attend (do not miss) recommendation for CiderCon 2024

    CiderCon 2024

    • What is CiderCon? How do the host cities get chosen?
    • This year it returns to Portland Oregon, for the first time since 2016. What can attendees expect with this site (physical overview) what is different from the downtown location in 2016.
    • Planning Tips for getting the most out of CiderCon (or why should a business send themselves or their staff).
    • Pre conference cider tours: Why arrive early and sign up for a cider tour?
    • First Timers, Networking & Traveling alone to CiderCon – “how to stay in the loop”

    Learning Tracks at CiderCon

    • Doing Business Better
    • Making Amazing Cider
    • Selling More Cider
    • Growing bountiful Apples
    • Exploring Cider’s Flavor & Terroir

    International Guest at CiderCon

    • There are a number of speakers from Sweden and Norway attending CiderCon 2024. Is this in keeping with highlighting a specific country or region as in past? Will there be any specific tasting sessions from the Nordic countries?
    • CiderCon has become the largest conference in the world for the cider industry and this year it appears to spotlight more international speakers than ever before, from both Scandinavia and the UK. How do you recommend members or attendees who are focused on their US market to interpret the state of cider in America, if the pool of speakers is dominated by international guests.
    • Is there a final closing toast that attendees can participate in, the Friday before heading home?

    Contact info for American Cider Association and CEO

    386: Managing Cider's Secondary Fermentation - DIY Tips

    386: Managing Cider's Secondary Fermentation - DIY Tips

    The Purpose of Secondary Fermentation when Making Cider

    Improve the overall quality and characteristics of the final product during secondary fermentation by;

    • Clarification: During primary fermentation, yeast converts sugars into alcohol, creating a cloudy mixture with suspended yeast and particulate matter. Secondary fermentation allows these particles to settle over time, resulting in clearer cider.
    • Stabilization: Secondary fermentation helps to stabilize the cider by allowing it to age in a less active state. This aging process can reduce the risk of off-flavors and other fermentation by-products that can negatively impact the cider.
    • Reduction of Sediment in Bottles: By allowing most of the sediment to settle out in the fermentation vessel rather than in the final packaging, secondary fermentation ensures a cleaner, more professional-looking bottled cider.
    • Risk Reduction: Transferring cider to a new vessel after primary fermentation reduces the risk of contamination from dead yeast cells that can autolyze (break down) and potentially create off-flavors.

    Secondary fermentation is a crucial step for refining cider, enhancing its clarity, taste, and stability before it is consumed or sold.

    Cider Chat Episode 386 Cider's Secondary Fermentation tips

    Past Cider Making Episodes

    Equipment needed for Cider’s Secondary Ferment

    Find a complete list with links to purchase at the Cider Making Equipment page at ciderchat.com

    • Extra Apple Juice to for topping off
    • Secondary Fermenter – glass carboy of equal size
    • Airlock and Bung
    • Racking Cane or Auto-Siphon
    • Sanitizer
    • Hydrometer or Refractometer
    • Tubing & a clothes pin ( a Ria tip to have on hand for clamping tubing as you go so it can be managed to insure that the tube doesn’t slip down into the lees and stir them up)
    • Bottle Brush and Cleaning Equipment

    Determining when Secondary Fermentation Begins

    • Completion of Active Primary Fermentation: Watch and notice when the vigorous phase of primary fermentation is complete, which is typically indicated by a significant decrease in airlock activity or specific gravity readings that are close to the target final gravity.
    • Gravity Readings: Use a hydrometer or refractometer to take consecutive gravity readings over a few days. When readings are consistent, it suggests that fermentation has slowed down enough for secondary transfer.
    • Visual Clues: Look for a drop in the level of visible activity, such as the reduction of bubbles and the beginning of sediment formation at the bottom of the primary fermenter.
    • Taste Test: Conduct a taste test for residual sweetness. If the cider is too sweet, it may need more time in primary fermentation unless the desired style of cider is sweet rather than dry.
    • Timeframe Guidance: Generally, primary fermentation can take anywhere from a few days to two weeks, depending on factors like temperature, yeast strain, and original sugar content.
    • Avoiding Off-Flavors: Transfer before the cider has sat too long on the lees at the bottom of the carboy to prevent off-flavors that can result from yeast autolysis.
    • Specific Style Goals: Factor in the specific goals for the cider’s style, as some styles may benefit from a longer or shorter primary fermentation before secondary.
    • Equipment Availability: Ensure that the secondary fermentation vessel is prepared and sanitized before deciding on the transfer to avoid any delays once the cider is ready.

    Common Problems during Secondary Ferment

    • Stalled Fermentation – Adjust fermentation temperature to optimal range.
    • Excessive Oxidation – Minimize headspace and avoid splashing when transferring.
    • Contamination – Practice stringent sanitation and possibly discard contaminated batch.
    • Sulfite Burn – Allow time for dissipation or use activated carbon treatment.
    • Insufficient Carbonation – Verify yeast viability and sugar availability; maintain proper bottle conditioning temperature.
    • Sediment in Bottles – Allow full clearing in secondary, use fining agents, and bottle carefully.
    • Unexpected Flavor Changes – Allow time for maturation or blend with another batch.
    • Pressure Build-up in Containers – Use an airlock or periodically vent the container.
    • Cider Becomes Too Dry – Monitor gravity to stop fermentation at desired sweetness or back-sweeten with non-fermentable sweeteners.

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    385: Cider's Ki | Bravery, Wisdom, Love & Friendship

    385: Cider's Ki | Bravery, Wisdom, Love & Friendship

    Who knew that Ki , as it is related to the Japanese martial art Aikido, would make into a Cider Chat! It all began when four words "Bravey, Wisdom, Love and Friendship" were spoken at New York Apple Camp in the summer of 2023. Apple Historian, author and well known apple dectective John Bunker was the key note speaker at camp who also happened to have a book all about Aikido. He had found those four inspiring words in a book titled "The Art of Peace'.

    The book was written by Morihei Ueshiba, the Founder of Aikido, and was translated into English by John Stevens who was a student of the Founder.

    The Founder , or Ōsensei as he was lovingly spoken often of Ki and its power. In short it is a universal life force that is present in all of us and all living things, including apple trees, orchards and cider. 

    The book was written by Morihei Ueshiba, the Founder of Aikido, and was translated into English by John Stevens who was a student of the Founder.

    The Founder , or Ōsensei as he was lovingly spoken often of Ki and its power. In short it is a universal life force that is present in all of us and all living things, including apple trees, orchards and cider. 

    Cider Chat episode 385 385-Brew-Free-or-Die-cider-pick-up-200x300-1
    Brew Free or Die cider pick up at Lull Farm

    • American Homebrewers Association’s (AHA) has a worldwide database of over 2,200 AHA-registered homebrew clubs.- search for home brew and fermenter clubs in your area
    • Cider's Ki

    Cider Chat Episode 385 Brew-Free-or-Die-club-ciders
    Club cider/cyser at pick up

    384: Beginner Cider-Making Tips for Primary Fermentation

    384: Beginner Cider-Making Tips for Primary Fermentation

    The process where fresh pressed apple juice is transformed into a delightful alcoholic beverage (cider) happens during primary fermentation. Before we get into the steps here is a list of Equipment and Ingredients you will need for this stage of cidermaking.

    • Fresh apple juice or cider (unpreserved)
    • Yeast (wine or cider yeast recommended)
    • Fermentation vessel (carboy or food-grade bucket)
    • Airlock
    • Sanitizer
    • Racking cane or siphon
    • Note book for writing down recipes and more
    • Optional: metabisulfite (or campden tablets), pH test strips or pH meter, Yeast nutrient, pectic enzyme

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    1. Sanitization: Cleanliness is key! Ensure all your equipment is thoroughly sanitized to prevent any unwanted bacteria from spoiling your batch. Listen to Episode 382: Beginner Tips for Squeaky Clean Cider Equipment
    2. Got Juice? You can press you own apples or buy juice from a cider mill. Either way the the apple varieties you choose will significantly impact your cider’s flavor. Listen to Episode 381: DIY Cider Making for Beginners

    Steps for Primary Fermentation

    Step 1: Start taking notes on your apple blend, make of list of the varieties, and all the steps below.

    Step 2: Testing and Adjusting: Measure the specific gravity of your juice using a hydrometer. This step is crucial as it allows you to calculate the potential alcohol content.

    A standard, fresh apple juice blend, without any additional sugars, usually has a specific gravity in the range of 1.045 to 1.055. This range can vary based on the apple varieties and ripeness, but for our example today, let’s work with an Original Gravity (OG) of 1.050.

    Calculating Potential Alcohol By Volume (ABV) Use this simple formula to estimate the potential ABV (Alcohol by Volume). The formula is:

    Potential ABV=(OG−FG)×131.25

    Where FG is the Final Gravity, which for a completely fermented cider, typically falls around 1.000 to 1.010. For our example, let’s assume that all the sugars are fermented, giving us a FG of 1.000.

    Potential ABV=(1.050−1.000)×131.25 = 6.56%

    With an original specific gravity of 1.050 and complete fermentation, you can expect your cider to have an alcohol content of around 6.5%.

    Remember, these numbers are estimates, and the actual ABV can vary based on several factors including the specific yeast strain used, fermentation temperature, and the specific blend of apples. Always use a hydrometer to get the most accurate readings throughout your cider making process

    Step 3: Check the ph of your apple blend

    Step 4: Add metabisulfite if using a cultured yeast. (Skip this step if your are fermenting with a wild yeast.)

    Wait 24 hours after adding metabisulfite before moving to Step 5

    Step 5: (optional)

    • Add Pectic Enzyme: This can help break down pectin in the juice, resulting in clearer cider.
    • Add Yeast Nutrient: This provides additional nutrients to help the yeast thrive.

    Step 6: Pitch the Yeast

    Step 7: Airlock. Add water to airlock, put into bung hole and let primary fermentation begin!

    Duration of Primary Fermentation

    When using a cultured yeast, the primary ferment begins within 24 hours and typically last 1-2 weeks.

    When fermenting with wild yeast, the primary ferment may take longer and also last longer. The actual ferment may also appear less vigorous.

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    • Register now for CiderCon 2024 in Portland Oregon with pre-conference cider tours taking place on January 16, 2024. CiderCon kicks off officially on Wednesday January 17th. Tasting Seminars, Workshops and Keynote speakers for 3 straight days (January 17 -19, 2024)
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