He was the young, gay, indigenous lawyer running for the Liberal Party against the powerful Tanya Plibersek in Sydney. And now he's in our lounge room. Answering our dumb questions.
Geoffrey Winters explained the racial origins of the marriage act and what you actually do and don't have to do (and say and NOT say)to get married - and what he thinks on the whole thing.
He also has a terrific story about the gay staffer who wrote themselves out of weddings - but into porn. Yeah, it's incredible.
Also our names are Kyran Wheatley and Rhys Nicholson. And the effortless pop gem you hear is by the incredible Brendan Maclean. Look him up. He's amazing.
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