Wellness Center Creators

With a deep love for self-growth, Dr. Erica Bacher created Evolve Counseling and Wellness Center to empower clients to achieve holistic health through a multidisciplinary, collaborative team, while confronting the challenge of finding the balance between rapid growth and providing quality care. We are bringing in people who come in wanting to grow in some way, and I also believe we as providers should have the attitude that we too are always growing. - Dr. Erica Bacher Dr. Erica Bacher, an accomplished clinical psychologist, is the visionary founder of Evolve Counseling and Wellness Center. With a passion for integrated mental healthcare, Dr. Bacher has brought together a diverse team of professionals, including psychologists, a nutritionist, an acupuncturist, and a dating coach, to provide comprehensive and holistic care for clients. Raised in a family where mental health discussions were commonplace, she was inspired to make a difference in the lives of others. Dr. Bacher's passion for collaboration and growth, both personally and professionally, is evident in her approach to her work and the services offered at Evolve. Get all the links, resources, and show notes here: https://wellnesscentercreators.com Sponsored by Jane App, Jane offers online booking, charting, scheduling, secure video and invoicing on one secure, beautifully designed system: https://jane.app/ Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it!

When Michael Vlasaty was struggling to manage a healthcare clinic, he never expected that his search for an effective solution would change his life, leading him to join the Jane team and help other providers improve their operations. “Our goal is to make Jane the employee of the month for you, whether that is help with scheduling or sending out waitlist notifications when a spot opens up for you.” Michael Vlasaty, a dedicated customer success professional at Jane, is known for his expertise in helping healthcare providers transition to electronic medical records (EMRs) for better efficiency and growth. With a background in managing a multidisciplinary clinic, Michael's firsthand experience with EMRs and his passion for helping the helpers makes him an ideal expert in the field. Michael's focus on providing award-winning support and guidance to customers ensures a smooth transition to modern EMRs like Jane, backed by a genuine understanding of the needs of healthcare providers. In this episode, you will be able to: 1. Discover the advantages healthcare providers can reap by transitioning to EMRs like Jane. 2. Understand the significance of Jane's secure and encrypted patient data storage system. 3. Explore the insurance and payment integration features within the Jane EMR platform. 4. Learn about the impact of collaborative care and communication in multidisciplinary modalities. 5. Get insights into Jane app's community resources and initiatives designed to support users. And more! Get all the links, resources and show notes here: https://wellnesscentercreators.com Sponsored by Jane App, Jane offers online booking, charting, scheduling, secure video and invoicing on one secure, beautifully designed system: https://jane.app/ Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it!

Amanda Cox and Maddison McElroy have successfully brought inclusive wellness to the community of Columbus, Indiana, through their innovative Hive Wellness Center. But their goals are much bigger than just providing a service: they want to give everyone the right to wellness and fitness, regardless of their size, abilities, or finances. Wellness means having the capacity to say yes to the things that make you happy in your life. In this episode, you will be able to: Uncover the inclusive wellness services provided by Hive Columbus Wellness Center. Delve into the necessity of size-inclusivity in contemporary wellness industry practices. Gain insights on the health-at-every-size philosophy and its connection to holistic well-being. Investigate affordable payment alternatives and accessibility measures in the wellness business sphere. Recognize the value of Size-Inclusive Training Academy certification for professionals in the Wellness industry. And more! Get all the links, resources and show notes here: https://wellnesscentercreators.com Sponsored by Jane App, Jane offers online booking, charting, scheduling, secure video and invoicing on one secure, beautifully designed system: https://jane.app/ Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it!

Chris McDonald, a licensed Clinical Mental Health Counselor Supervisor helps young adults transition into adulthood and provides holistic counseling services, navigating the conflicting expectations of traditional and holistic therapy. "It's bringing together treatment of the whole person instead of individual parts. And with holistic counseling, we're looking at every part of the self from body, physical, somatic, spiritual, mind, and of course, using some talk therapy as well - it's bringing all the best of both worlds together to treat the whole person." Chris McDonald is a licensed clinical mental health counselor supervisor and host of the Holistic Counseling Podcast. She has a small group practice that focuses on working with young adults struggling with transitions, anxiety, depression, trauma, and grief. She uses holistic modalities such as trauma-informed yoga, meditation, mindfulness, and brain spotting in her sessions. Chris encourages her clients to get a physical from their primary care to rule out any physical issues that might be causing mental health symptoms. She encourages self-care and the use of breath work, relaxation strategies and yoga to help clients calm their nervous systems. Chris believes in treating the whole person, and she has created a holistic intake form to help do this. (So important!) She has also created a podcast to help other mental health professionals learn and build their practices with confidence. In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. How to build a successful virtual practice with holistic modalities? 2. What are the components of holistic counseling? 3. How can yoga and other physical modalities be integrated into therapy sessions? And more! Get all the links, resources and show notes here: https://wellnesscentercreators.com Sponsored by Jane App, Jane offers online booking, charting, scheduling, secure video and invoicing on one secure, beautifully designed system: https://jane.app/ Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it!

Anna Rudel, a compassionate and empathetic acupuncturist, faced the challenge of transitioning from a solo practitioner to a successful business leader and coach, learning to relinquish control and nourish her team along the way. She joins the podcast today to share some of her journey and some golden nuggets of wisdom too! "I realized that actually, I could see myself doing this for others and unknowingly stepped into a situation where I offered some help to a friend whose practice was in crisis. And that was the beginning of my journey as a coach. And I cannot tell you the joy it brings me." Anna Rudel is an experienced acupuncturist and business coach who has been running her own practice, Lokahi Acupuncture, since 2003. She recently joined Wellness Center Creators as a coach and is now facilitating the three-month coaching group, as well as accepting individual coaching clients. Anna Rudell is passionate about acupuncture and believes in its healing power. After starting and growing her own practice, she soon realized she needed to take on a different role to manage her team. With Kendall's coaching, Anna was able to learn how to lead her team and create a nurturing environment for them to work in. This new role brought her joy and the satisfaction of empowering her team with the skills and resources they needed to succeed. Her experience even inspired her to become a coach herself and help other practices through the inevitable business challenges. With her compassionate and mindful approach, Anna has been able to create a cohesive and functioning team in her own practice, and guides others to do the same! In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. How have female practitioners of East Asian medicine been taught to view owning a business? 2. What is the role of mindfulness in growing a team and leading a team? 3. How can business owners use their companies to support the growth and development of employees? And more! Get all the links, resources and show notes here: https://wellnesscentercreators.com Sponsored by Jane App, Jane offers online booking, charting, scheduling, secure video and invoicing on one secure, beautifully designed system: https://jane.app/ Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it!

Are you prepared for the transition when a provider leaves your team? With this episode we’re unpacking some things to consider when a provider leaves your team. Listen in and hopefully these strategies will help make your “farewells” a bit easier. I recommend an off-boarding list in place for when someone leaves, such as getting an official letter of resignation, scheduling an exit interview, making sure all patient notes are completed, returning office equipment, and removing access to systems. It is important to notify current patients early and often, providing them with a letter explaining the transition and three options of referral. It is also important to thank the provider publicly in an email and social media post, and end on a positive note with the employee who is leaving. If additional support is needed, or if you have any questions, feel free to reach out. Help is available! "You will be remembered as the person who was understanding and kind. And that kindness and positivity will come back to you in the future." In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. How to make a smooth transition when a team member leaves your practice 2. How to notify patients and provide referrals when a team member resigns 3. How to end on a positive note with a departing employee And more! Get all the links, resources and show notes here: https://wellnesscentercreators.com Sponsored by Jane App, Jane offers online booking, charting, scheduling, secure video and invoicing on one secure, beautifully designed system: https://jane.app/ Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it!

Learn the simple secrets to successful service launches and how to get your new offer up and running quickly! There are five checkpoints to go through before launching your new service, including asking if the service complements current offerings, creating an easily explainable name, defining the problem it solves, identifying the target audience, and pricing it competitively. The launch plan should include marketing details, an official launch date, and an exclusive offer for current clients. "The more multidisciplinary offerings you have, the easier it is to add a new service because you already have a client base that appreciates the variety of options." In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. How can you ensure a successful launch of a new service? 2. What steps should you take to market a new service? 3. How can you create value and offer incentives to current clients for a new service? And more! Get all the links, resources and show notes here: https://wellnesscentercreators.com Sponsored by Jane App, Jane offers online booking, charting, scheduling, secure video and invoicing on one secure, beautifully designed system: https://jane.app/ Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it!

Integrate life and work, choose how you spend your time and energy, and get the support you need! Just know that it is impossible to have it all and balance it all. To stay well, I make a plan to integrate life and work, schedule breaks and prioritize my core values. With help and support, I can create a plan that allows me to have time for family, work, rest, and self-care. "I’ve had to radically accept that while I'm giving full attention to one thing, I'm not going to be giving full attention to another, and intentionally integrate life and work rather than trying to keep them separate." In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. How to Balance Life and Work without Lying to Yourself 2. Strategies for Scheduling and Planning to Stay Well 3. Building a Collaborative Leadership Team Allowing You to Step Away from Doing It All And more! Get all the links, resources and show notes here: https://wellnesscentercreators.com Sponsored by Jane App, Jane offers online booking, charting, scheduling, secure video and invoicing on one secure, beautifully designed system: https://jane.app/ Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it!

As an ambitious wellness center leader, you strive to build a collaborative practice with your team. But you’re risking vulnerability as you prioritize people, processes, products, and positioning in pursuit of your goals. Listen to this episode, and learn how to develop collaborative practices to help your team work smarter and faster! Building collaborative practices starts with the structure of the business, such as an employee model and frequent team meetings. The four Ps of people, processes, products and positioning must also be considered, and there should be a shared EHR system that works for you. As a leader, it is important to be vulnerable with the team, clear with communication and expectations, and provide opportunities to understand the benefits of working together. "Collaboration takes vulnerability. We're asking our team members to build deep relationships with each other and to show up and share their expertise regarding client care and so on. So, we as leaders have to be vulnerable." In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. How do you build collaborative practices with an employee model and team meetings? 2. How do you prioritize collaboration within each of the four business components? 3. What are the steps to successfully leading a collaborative group? And more! Get all the links, resources and show notes here: https://wellnesscentercreators.com Sponsored by Jane App, Jane offers online booking, charting, scheduling, secure video and invoicing on one secure, beautifully designed system: https://jane.app/ Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it!

In this episode, host Kendall Hagensen navigates the complex process of subletting offices, striving to find the right fit while ensuring your business is accurately represented. Kendall explains how it's important to be clear on why you are subletting and what you are offering in order to create a successful job posting. She suggested posting the ad on Craigslist, Facebook, local schools, and your own physical space. Additionally, Kendall highlighted the importance of taking your time to interview anyone considering subletting in your space to ensure they are in line with your vision. "Take your time to interview anyone you're going to have sublet in your space, make sure they are in line with your vision and your goals and will represent your business in the way that you want." In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. How to create a clear posting for subletting office space and what to include in it? 2. What are the best places to post ads for office subletting? 3. How to screen potential subletters and make sure they are in line with your vision? And more! Get all the links, resources and show notes here: https://wellnesscentercreators.com Sponsored by Jane App, Jane offers online booking, charting, scheduling, secure video and invoicing on one secure, beautifully designed system: https://jane.app/ Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it!

Jake Hendrix is the studio director at Rift Creative, a boutique creative agency, and host of The Roadcast, a visual video podcast. He is a certified coach in the Kolbe tool and specializes in emotional well-being in the workplace and self-awareness. "Until you make the subconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate." Through his work, Jake has discovered the power of storytelling and brand creation as a way to cultivate a unique value for brands and organizations. After hosting a design conference in 2019, Jake and his team had to pivot due to the pandemic and The Roadcast was born. The podcast is focused on the creative process and inspiring creativity by interviewing artists, designers, and entrepreneurs. Through this work, Jake has learned that self-awareness and understanding the unique abilities of a team is the key to optimizing a team and creating a culture of success. In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. How do you optimize teams and put people in the right spot? 2. What can self-awareness teach us about our unique abilities? 3. How is Roadcast sparking creativity and inspiring meaningful discussion? Get all the links, resources and show notes here: https://wellnesscentercreators.com Sponsored by Jane App, Jane offers online booking, charting, scheduling, secure video and invoicing on one secure, beautifully designed system: https://jane.app/ Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it!

Tara Vossenkemper takes an accidental journey into private practice ownership, creating a culture of belongingness and purpose - only to discover that a healthy culture can increase employee retention and profitability. "I don't want to work at a place that I don't like. I'm not interested in staying somewhere where I don't feel valued or supported or cared for as a human. Like, I don't want to be a cog in a wheel. I would like to be an active and integrated part of a larger system that has forward momentum in the direction that I also want to go." Tara Vossenkemper is a mental health provider and the owner of a large group mental health practice. She has over 20 employees and has created a healthy team culture and a process to hire and onboard effectively. Tara is passionate about creating a culture of belongingness, vulnerability, and purpose in her practice, and has found joy in seeing her employees succeed. With consultation, she has been able to help more people create successful and healthy practices. In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. The benefits of having a healthy culture in the workplace. 2. Practical strategies to cultivate a thriving workplace. 3. The role of an intentional hiring process to help attract your ideal employees. Get all the links, resources and show notes here: https://wellnesscentercreators.com Sponsored by Jane App, Jane offers online booking, charting, scheduling, secure video and invoicing on one secure, beautifully designed system: https://jane.app/ Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it!

Unlock your full potential with Julie Collura, a licensed clinical social worker and expressive arts practitioner who believes everyone is innately creative. "Expressive Arts is intermodal - giving us more tools to work with and offering folks more ways of expressing, other than just talking, as a tool for healing and a tool for expression." - Julie Collura Julie Collura is a licensed clinical social worker, therapist, musician, and expressive arts practitioner. She believes in using creativity as a tool for healing and uses a multi-arts or intermodal approach in her work. Julie believes in the power of creativity to heal and change. She holds a license in Oregon and Louisiana and has worked with survivors of violent crimes and domestic and sexual violence. Julie believes that everyone can benefit from her approach, regardless of experience in the arts. In her work, she uses techniques from Internal Family Systems Therapy to help clients get to know their inner systems and work with their parts. She has learned to be patient and brave in her new private practice, and to network and make human connections to build her practice. In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. What are Expressive Arts, and what are the differences between it and art therapy? 2. How can Internal Family Systems Therapy and Expressive Arts be integrated in therapy sessions? 3. What was Julie Collura's journey to becoming a therapist, and what has she learned from starting her own private practice? Get all the links, resources and show notes here: https://wellnesscentercreators.com Sponsored by Jane App, Jane offers online booking, charting, scheduling, secure video and invoicing on one secure, beautifully designed system: https://jane.app/ Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it!

"Let's heal! We want people just to come in and heal however you need to." - Wayneisha Walker Wayneisha Walker is a Las Vegas native and owner of Inherent Wellness PLLC, a multi-disciplinary wellness center located in Houston, Texas. She is a licensed psychotherapist specializing in treating trauma, mood disorders, and adjustment disorders. After opening the doors at the start of 2020, the pandemic forced Wayneisha to close and reevaluate the way the business could offer care. She decided to take on clinical interns and expand to include yoga, reiki, and massage therapy to provide a one-stop shop for her clients. Her business provides low-cost and no-cost services, such as by-donation yoga and free raffle micro-sessions, to help the BIPOC community access the care they need. In the future, she hopes to continue to collaborate with other organizations and reach out to young people to provide more resources for growth and development. In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. How does the inclusion of different modalities such as yoga, reiki, and massage therapy create a one-stop shop for mental health services? 2. How is Wayneisha Walker's business helping to make mental health services more accessible to the BIPOC community? 3. What new initiatives is Wayneisha Walker planning to provide mental health services to young people? Get all the links, resources and show notes here: https://wellnesscentercreators.com Sponsored by Jane App, Jane offers online booking, charting, scheduling, secure video and invoicing on one secure, beautifully designed system: https://jane.app/ Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it!

"If you put your mind to it and you set the goals in place, you can do whatever you want." - Gabrielle Juliano-Villani Gabrielle Juliano-Villani is a licensed clinical, social worker, consultant, coach, sound healer, entrepreneur, and educator based in Sarasota, Florida. After realizing her own burnout in 2021, she sold her thriving group practice and made her mission to educate others on the impact stress has on our everyday lives. After attending a retreat in Costa Rica, Gabrielle changed her daily routine and began consulting and training with other therapists, as well as providing executive coaching and clinical training on working with clients who have chronic illnesses. She now enjoys a much healthier lifestyle, with a morning routine and time to do things she enjoys. In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. How Gabrielle Juliano-Villani sold her thriving group practice to heal from burnout. 2. The powerful exercise of mapping out a current day versus an ideal day to help prevent burnout. 3. How Gabrielle has specialized in providing mental health services to clients with chronic illnesses and medical trauma. Get all the links, resources and show notes here: https://wellnesscentercreators.com Sponsored by Jane App, Jane offers online booking, charting, scheduling, secure video and invoicing on one secure, beautifully designed system: https://jane.app/ Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it!

Neena Folliott and Meg MacPherson are practicing physiotherapists with over 25 years of experience between them. They have created Articulate Design Co. to bring thoughtful design to the forefront of healthcare and elevate the experience for all. "Your physical space is so integral to understanding and optimizing how you're going to generate income. We see this far too often that people don't design for growth, so they're left with choppy layouts where people are working on top of each other, or they're just not optimizing the space for the areas that actually make them money." Meg and Nina, two experienced physiotherapists, had a keen interest in design and decided to create Articulate Design Co. to bridge the gap between clinical care and design. Through their company, they have designed clinics all over the world with the mission of creating spaces that match the talent and care of the practitioners within them. They believe that thoughtful design is important for businesses, as it can affect the client journey and the provider journey. They also advise practice owners to prioritize design in their budget, follow through on the design plan, and inject their own personality into the space. They emphasize that it is never too early to start thinking about space design. In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. Why is space design important for businesses, and how does it affect the client journey? 2. What are the top three design errors clinicians make and how can they be avoided? 3. How can collaboration between architects, web designers, and brand packaging professionals help create a cohesive space? Get all the links, resources and show notes here: https://wellnesscentercreators.com Sponsored by Jane App, Jane offers online booking, charting, scheduling, secure video and invoicing on one secure, beautifully designed system: https://jane.app/ Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it!

Monika Marx was a business owner who used to own a gym in North Vancouver, British Columbia. She experienced first-hand the power of software through Jane App, which was developed by her friend. Monika is now a product specialist for Jane App and is responsible for onboarding US corporate accounts. She is passionate about how technology can make life easier for business owners. She often talks to clinics about the features that Jane App offers, which include electronic claim submissions and payments. Monika advises new entrepreneurs to find software that is intuitive and has a good support team, in order to make the day-to-day operations easier. "Start the way you want to finish - having an intuitive, helpful software can be the make or break, and can make the day to day so much easier." - Monika Marx In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. How Jane App is helping to revolutionize medical billing systems with its innovative US insurance features. 2. The challenges clinics face when booking and billing clients, and how Jane App is making life easier. 3. The advice Monika gives to new entrepreneurs about finding intuitive, helpful software to streamline operations. Get all the links, resources and show notes here: https://wellnesscentercreators.com Sponsored by Jane App, Jane offers online booking, charting, scheduling, secure video and invoicing on one secure, beautifully designed system: https://jane.app/ Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it!

In this episode of the Wellness Inter Creators Podcast, Joanna Sapir, a business strategist for holistic practitioners, shares her expertise on setting up systems and processes in businesses to create consistency, enrollment of committed long-term clients, and steady income. You will learn how the sales process can impact the quality of your clients. The sales process can help practitioners enroll committed long term clients, and create steadier income and cash flow. However, many health coaches struggle with sales because they don't understand the sales process. The sales process involves five steps: invitation, filtering, nurturing, enrollment, and follow-up. By following these steps, practitioners can enroll clients that are the best fit for their services and create a more sustainable business. "When you start to base your business around the people that you love working with and the ones that see the best results from your services, you're able to start seeing that some people aren't a great fit." In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. How to build a sales process for enrolling clients into services 2. The importance of having a consultation process to assess client needs 3. How the sales process impacts the quality of clients Free Masterclass, The Client Champion Formula: https://joannasapir.com/WellnessCenterCreators Get all the links, resources and show notes here: https://wellnesscentercreators.com Sponsored by Jane App, Jane offers online booking, charting, scheduling, secure video and invoicing on one secure, beautifully designed system: https://jane.app/ Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it!

This episode of the Wellness Center Creators podcast features Juliet Kuehnle, a National Board-certified counselor and mental health therapist who owns Sun Counseling and Wellness, a private practice with multiple locations and telehealth services. Juliet discusses her journey to becoming a business owner and the importance of self-care when managing a business. She shares how she created a one-stop shop with a multidisciplinary team that offers holistic treatments and normalizes conversations around mental health. Juliet also discusses the highs and lows of business ownership and how prioritizing self-care is essential. She advised to schedule in self-care before clients and start employees off as W2s from the beginning. "I'm more of a “I have this idea, and I'll figure it out, and this feels good.” Right? A lot of it has felt like I'm kind of making it up as I go along, and yet, obviously, it's still rooted." - Juliet Kuehnle In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. How Juliet Kuehnle created a unique one-stop-shop mental health clinic with a multidisciplinary team. 2. How Juliet balances her self-care while running a business, and the strategies she uses to prioritize it. 3. The challenges and rewards of starting a group practice, and what Juliet wishes she had known when she first started. Get 30% off one of Juliet’s products at https://yepigototherapy.com/collections/all with code WELLNESS30 Get all the links, resources and show notes here: https://wellnesscentercreators.com Sponsored by Jane App, Jane offers online booking, charting, scheduling, secure video and invoicing on one secure, beautifully designed system: https://jane.app/ Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it!

"A problem I have seen is that no one is talking to each other. No one's helping their clients to really figure out what's going on deep down inside." Kristian Gibson-Ford is a clinical social worker and the founder and director of Harmony 360 Counseling, a multidisciplinary practice in Indianapolis, Indiana. She provides coaching and therapeutic services for children, families, and adults with a focus on stress disorders, compassion fatigue and burnout, depression, anxiety, and other issues impacting working adults. Kristian is currently pursuing her Doctorate of Behavioral Health from Freed Hardman and is passionate about helping her clients remove barriers to better health and wellness. In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. The importance of having a clear why and long-term vision when starting a group practice. 2. The challenges of being a group practice owner, including the need for excellent management skills. 3. The value of a collaborative, holistic approach to care. Get all the links, resources and show notes here: https://wellnesscentercreators.com Sponsored by Jane App, Jane offers online booking, charting, scheduling, secure video and invoicing on one secure, beautifully designed system: https://jane.app/ Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it!