Joker Movie Speculation, Birds of Prey Trailer: Superconnectivity Episode #257
Joker Movie Speculation, Birds of Prey Trailer: Superconnectivity Episode #257
Charlie and Phil discuss various topics including:
The Joker movie speculation, easter eggs and theories
Birds of Prey movie trailer
Harley Quinn animated series premiere date announced
New comics including Immortal Hulk #24, Future Foundation #3, Marvel Comics #1001, Contagion #1, Fantastic Four #15, Old Man Quill #10, Daredevil #12, Ghost Rider #1, Savage Avengers #6, House of X #6, Legion of Superheroes: Millennium #2
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Joker Movie Speculation, Birds of Prey Trailer: Superconnectivity Episode #257
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This episode of keep some lunatics brought to you by tweaked audience get awesome headphones tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code southgate get thirty percent off free shipping in a lifetime warranty or you can get there through the link on our website Southgate Media Group Dot com that is one of the aspects we're dealing with here with our good friends in Gotham that US he is justified in his actions from his perspective but then again you're only getting his perspective he seeing the world you know and I I I do wonder because one of the things I've heard about this which is this idea that they in honor of the big famous film coming out or is out with Oh is it is it joe aide that stories unreliable narrators have been done a lot And I do think that things are never quite what they seem but then at the same time when you have a film with an unreliable narrator they also could be what they seem and that's you know it he wants and that does not necessarily mean it is the world that is yes you're yes I thought I mean I've seen spoiler free mostly because I haven't seen it yet even though I did watch some spoiler reviews of it from some there's no Bella leash that he needs to do this but as the story progresses you see that you know what that is really his motivation that this idea of saving the universe well certainly yes he wants to mm-hmm encapsulates I feel is from what from what I understand is this jokers perspective on things meaning that you know make the make the joker a nice guy we're part of you feels you know it's sort of like Dana's sort of trusted a media sources and I am I I'm intrigued I'm intrigued by the concept I mean there is an argument to be made I'm that's been out there I wonder if that might be a part of it as well not so much because you know when you say oh you know other films are violent sort of like the notes in in that first Infiniti war where you know he's got this 'cause this noble you know the -pletely spoiler spoiler filled review on Cape Lunatics episode one twenty five for the spoilers up here we're going to try and keep it the joker and when you want to tell a story that is trying to tell the jokers perspective we know we know who he becomes it is where the anger and frustration comes no what we're what this what does Wean Joaquin King Walking Phoenix Joke Phoenix with those who remember the I'm trying not to spoil anything here but yes you definitely I do see the you see everything through the jokers is through his and the better person it doesn't go well you might have met as you might have heard spoilers for World War Two heinous evil and he is a noble cause to commit his active heinous evil and when we look at the controversy about this Oh that not all of his victims are deserving in fact we know that most of his victims are really just random innocent bystander PHOENIX yeah and who out called the joker the will in the house wrap which will be covering ways any sympathy you might wanna give him in the short term you know if we give jokers sympathy in the short term what does yeah and that's the thing is the collateral damage done is that will be done by the joker far take this action which may result same the universe in truth he just needs to he wants to commit this act where I can't remember if it's the blonde or the Brunette but this guy gets into a fight before thanos hit the movies this is a more well known quantity than Thanos I mean we've seen the joker at how many rations live action animal Oh that it's not a good relationship you know and this this is the thing is people know that recognize that all of his pain comes from a place he still hit with we know who the joker is we you know yeah it makes choices that in the end no matter how sympathetic you might feel for him number to help put down you might but the minute you recognize but this is Lex luthor you've got to deal with the back that who is he going to become that what is the overarching story us you know embrace this idea and I can see how you can sort of embrace a character as an icon why is this one being singled out and I think the reason why is because you know it's Santos you know yeah it's an even choice to be a super bowl you know I'm a big fan of lex luther I think there's lots of stories you can tell about Lex luthor that make him almost that make them sympathetic it's yeah and there's there's a there's a film called Max which is about a young art student you know that's right yeah well you know and you know and that's the thing is I can see I can see how took named Adolf Hitler and this art dealer who's trying to work with him and you know tried to help him on of this exploration of this populist ideal but it's like the Guy Fawkes masks you know you can embrace this idea and that is the problem with any super bowl no matter how you WanNa break it down order how noble you WanNa make them they're making keeps getting into fights it's actually kind of picking these fights just so he can punch a guy out them feel big and strong does that say about where he goes from here you know because you know there was there's a great episode of sex in the city no he's not a hero of freedom or anything he is at the end of the day just a different kind of sociopath seeking to impose his and this guy knocks out the other guy and she so impressed with them but then as the story progresses to realize is this guy any information to it which you know has its own there's a lot of real life parallels with you know the way that the you know it's not a paradise living under the joker and you can make the argument that Gotham isn't a paradise at all but you know that's that's a Guy Fawkes but you actually look at who guy fawkes is and he's the guy who is trying to parliament so that he could reinstate the papacy in England in you trust me I have so many good friends who think about eating the rich I do not so some people will be in the phone and they'll feel feel this anger because they going missing naught should we be glorifying the jokers actions because I think everyone can agree he he's he has mental issues well yeah yeah her and she's just so impressed by the chivalry that you know this guy you know tells us to back off when he doesn't you know the guy tries to throw a punch them and league he needs things up yeah well you know fancies himself to yeah yeah I mean like I said I'm trying who is it sales pitch asked the Guy Oh okay from what come to the show tonight reading the rich I I I do not think the rich would taste very good I see no reason to torment myself with that but I can see how people embrace that so in this movie you know he there's an argument that says that the second half of that film never actually happen and when you have a guy like the joker who as I always say as loft Lima because he has a very strict rules he follows that's that is the crux of but you know it's like it's like taxi driver and a intentionally said you know we're very inspired by taxi driver the choice so this is this is choice a and brilliantly produced written records and and one of the central themes of taxi driver is that blanking on the name of the Guy in taxi driver trevor the actions he takes that sort of propel him into a heroic light for some people and it's like it's like believe in his cause Abi or there's two basic possible is one is that the second half of this phone doesn't actually happen that what you see what you observe is you're going to see the joke that you know that there is a a social dynamic to this you know that there is a social movement around the joker in the jokers mind of what happens or the flip side to that this is just another origin that joke tells you know as as he says let's yes basically he goes into his own mind and he imagines himself in his case like this superhero not much for you but we're anybody but I mean what audience either I mean I think people understand it macinnis that will work nice to face Batman so we get kid Bruce Wayne in this I mean not for long that we do I wouldn't mind seeing that yeah I mean I certainly well you know I mean I wonder I wonder how that's going to play I wonder if this is really popular thing it's you know but I guess and this is where I get to this idea about the multiple choice ending isn't it an entirely isn't it posssibility that because the joker is obsessing with the wings in this and you know the richest family in Gotham is Easter eggs or the man who laughs Alka the man who laughs is this films that he had his interactions even though we know you know much Travis Dekel there's going to be points where we don't and is interacting with this child even if only a couple of times this is how key sees what happens how he saw what occurred you know while protecting this underage prostitute and then she falls in love with him and all this kind of stuff and the idea is is that there's a good possibility you know there are you know I I've told the story so many times you know I like I like different ones I like my pass to be I I liked this movie a lot better than I thought it was going to and I think they said it's like known separate thing but I wouldn't mind Joaquin Phoenix's joker verse like Rob Patents as Batman you know I think that you know and for what it's worth you know you can certainly argue that they've set up a a certain age dynamic goal is it couldn't remember was Bigler biddle Chevy's pickle played massively by Robert Deniro ancient comic books I mean the jokers more well-known than than US yeah and he is iconic although like all of the joker Harley memes that get torn apart that's a running theme throughout this whole movie starting at the very beginning it's like oh the city's getting worse cities getting worse than Nina the joker just I guess I get I don't want too much by the banks I really think everyone and this is my opinion I think everyone should go see this before you go see that film it's on Youtube with Spanish subtitles And like I said I really enjoyed the spoilers I've gotten and I'm looking forward to looking for Easter eggs because what are the Easter eggs I really wanNA look for just to do a little segue for this the joker really there is going to be this information about information in the that is going to call back to this because the outcry I couldn't hear the couldn't hear your your your and it was a real debate is whether or not they should make it a cocky and the main reason they didn't is because the prosthetic that Conrad by where isn't it he couldn't really talk very well so deniro's basically Johnny Carson Yeah Well Yeah I mean can you comedy you know it is very interesting trade choice from everything I've heard I I am fully expecting to enjoy this though I think you will my expectations were low like I said some tragedy in the end but for the most part it's actually a romantic it's a it's a romance it's the it's actually kind of be story of and Conrad Bike from I wanna Say Nineteen Twenty eight it might be earlier than that might be all the way back to nineteen twenty being with a man who so horribly disfigured likewise like thing the disfigurement actually brings him everybody knows that this is the origin of the look of the joke and fascinating about this is that it is now it's actually kind of this story of Ben Grimm he's a disfigured man who is in love with this line girl just feels he burden her some modicum of wealth and fame because he is touring as a clown with Ursus the philosopher and and their little bug homo most interesting the man who left is not a horror film you know it's gotTa a grotesquely ginning and there's certainly a silent film in the nineteen twenties although actually I think it must have been twenty eight said that this was right at the transition of talking of talking films is a lot of money if they're going to be like Oh hey you know we said this was a separate thing but would you come in our larger universe yeah well you know I mean I don't see any reason why not in nineteen twenty eight November Fourth Nineteen Twenty eight and I prefaced by saying this is a really great film King James The second of England and we'll pain the man who laughs father is sort of a rebel is such an aspect where there's a visual cue that artist represented that it's completely separate from what actually happens in the story Yes yes yes yes and I know what her her plotline is okay okay and that that I I don't want it nursing me enough does also look like the joker it's like a buffet he's just a real big lovable Doug Oh intel spoilers the very the very end where he when the actual villain of the piece who I'm trying to avoid spoilers with their because you know 'cause that again ties into the taxi say do you remember where we saw her before freak show not not nice work even if you can get it but how did you did you see did you see who else is in this movie is as he beats ah trying to avoid that spoiler would okay yes you do get we do get a baby wing I'm like two scenes I mean it's only a few minutes so he's not really intrinsic to the plot plotting do you brought all this on Sunday but you're I think you're I think you're GonNa love the narrative Oh I know I'm gonna I almost never don't like Philipson so it's it's interesting that he is a guy with the comedy ascetic although that's also very dark comedy comedy aesthetic I just wonder it's Nowhere with us she was Domino Deadpool Two oh dad that's that girl oh some no if the interaction that he shows happened actually have I so and I can't wait I can't wait to talk the big old cards that come up in English everyone should go see the could watch that phone before you watch the joke because even though I don't know what's GonNa happen and you know gets exiled but comes back because he's worried about his son and he finds out that they gave his son l.
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actually was really fascinating that the actual director of the joker is actually he's other big work was the hang yeah to the the the CAMPACCIO 's who were this evil group of people who would basically by children disfigure them and then sell them BARF federal believe his name is and he's the he was the jester for Is I mean I see the headlines where he's like Oh you know woke woke cultures killing comedy and stuff you go into the go into the movie with that mind let me it's ridiculous because as people because you know what these people always point out is that Oh you know look you know in the seventies eighties comic books I mean you see everything evolves especially when you go decade or decades and decades stuff evolves well of course it does everything's going to evolve on Sunday if you think that like some of this is like him talking through the movie yeah you know what the fact of the matter is if you're not a good of course focus a wolf so it's it's so match but he's actually just as big a logo and you know thought the whole film good for her good for doing another superhero franchise he does a good job for what they give reality she does a good job in this food because there's always more to the story and or edit certain point people don't want to hear what you thought was funny thirty the thing it's not even that the joke wasn't necessarily funny in the nineteen forties if it's a joke from the nineteen forties but to joke from the seventies we've heard that oh you had Eddie Murphy and you had Mel Brooks you know these people and to which I always say if you think you can tell a joke as good as Mel Brooks because I think I I saw I saw the credits walking out I think not only did he directors I think he wrote it too so well I mean you know I mean that's and that's this is this Black Arthur flack is actually which is just sounds like a made up name by the way Oh yeah the wolf by the way which I which I thought was because he he looks like a dog but he's actually billed as homo the wall which is funny because Homo means man anybody could pay her name yet said a Nixon you say trump yeah I know I know it's its own soap circling aspect of it and I wonder if we're going to see something in in this film where we're going to see were made to feel like the joker like Arthur his last name ah that's what I'm saying he could definitely have talked this movie if you want you know it's it's you know this whole idea of you know will culture destroying Kombi go to Murphy you go right ahead but you 'cause you're not that you to every form of entertainment be a comedy being Louise bTV big call joke if you're not a good enough comedian to tell a racist joke then you're just not a good then you're not a comedian who should be telling racist jokes at you and I Cold they have to leave because we is not amused but yeah I do think that the man who laughs is a really great with the idea of there's the monster who is actually kind and good and then the actual monster with false styles and title is you know who is much more the spiritual inspiration for the joker rather than merely the physical represent the inspiration for the joker and soon in the comics to bits weird that they're mixing Harley Quinn at the birds of prey I'd rather see like a separate birds of prey thing and even like a Solo Harley Quinn movie rather than mixing the two birds of prey trailer death there's not a lot I wanNA talk about it does seem interesting you know her getting her little hyena has a lot of yellow in it and most notably I felt like the boat Kinda forms a yellow lantern.
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I don't know what to make of that but it is yeah it's it's a little derivative but that's okay you know but I think we're meant to feel the sympathy for this guy much in the way that you felt sympathy for there's other stuff where it's like yes so you know this is where this leads but yeah but in the end will pain gets away dope six times all worth it's topical what has no meaning now well and but you know you can there's no such thing as humor are but yeah it is it is interesting but about like comedy getting back men who asks I think there's this dichotomy gentlemen welcome once again to super activity I'm your host the lesser effort and even Tristan liked it so there you go Endorsement from no less than one of the thing I did want to talk about was the two years ago exactly that's I was gonna say you stuff that was you know pe- comics retailer in the nineteen forties are going to see is going to go with the public today no and it's not even and for the for wilt painted NECE although interest in Europe and again this is sort of the the larger story that gets told him this is in the man who laughs is that it is this indictment of wealth culture and the one percent you know and arguably just you know the argument that you know like she doesn't need like she's got her canaries I just again it just seems weird that they're mixing hardly because then dollar well you know it's like Arthur Dent you know Arthur Dent and he called him Arthur Dent because a dentist something that happens to you overnight nor so that's an on the nose art you're the costume in like I think the one seen I saw canaries carrying a baseball bat and I was like she's like a martial artist she's Nice The one thing I thought was kind of weird and maybe this is me just reading way too much into it is a black canaries outfit yeah I think I think they wanted to give her you know this is one of the things Grace Randolph said about is that Harley Quinn really she is at her best do you realize the Guillotine because this is a this is a victor hugo a novel and he liked this is a prequel to Da His girlfriend Ursus they're sort of father figure and little little homo the wool I'll get saved and they sail away from England where they've been she's reacting to someone and someone else's reacting that you can't really just have Harley Quinn by herself yeah what I'd rather she I don't know why you give her the person prey though I'd rather see like a Harley Quinn with poison ivy and maybe a cap I think everyone would have liked to have seen Harlequin with poison ivy and I don't know why I don't think to start off with book that makes me Mattis and I know what book May Do Madison we'll get to that originator and you know that's show Biz it's a mere does like a lot of these see like series is coming in the Thanksgiving weekend yes well that should be fun you know I'm looking forward to that will not really they don't have these thinks universe announced when they're dropping they they still haven't announced that they're going to do it you know week the week like they've been doing everything else or drop it all at once but that Harley Quinn animated I like live action and even again this animated series it seems like they're going much more adult and again they're adding more stuff to their black label yeah well because you know I think I don't know if that's true because I think the villains only work because of the euros I mean I think maybe jokers going to be a pretty big film artsy that could be problematic for you know if there's much that you've got to sort of if if people can't get a handle on it I said I'm not expecting to hate it I'm expecting to really like it you know I'm hoping it'll be I'm hoping to live up the expectations I have every reason to think it should immortal hall Oh number twenty four s or late to call it the blasphemy the and they do you know it it opens nicely with this great payroll about the the essence of the universe that Gaylon which we see at the beginning of the book leaves it's coming say at least from my vantage point love or hate it you'll get it you'll be like okay I get what they were doing okay well that's that's that's a good song point and they're trying to to turn into the villain curved in Oh I think they really feel and people have said this that you know DC's villains are better than their here that's it makes sense so I don't know that that's that's our that's our hurling Quincy Oh speaking of Harlequin Zell it may not be honestly one of the could face it couldn't you dang artsy for for for for the crowd you know and the does wind up being aged heroes you know where you know the fantastic four and then you know the creation of a whole can you know the I don't mean that to say Oh people elected film I'm thinking no you made a film that people have a hard time processing because you don't have a consistent narrative banner but actually it's Mr Mortal and we see that banner is all emaciated in green and a monster kinda character but you know what I'm excited about comic books yeah so wrapping up the Fortran the fourteen story and basically taken over gamma base or shadow base and centuries ago which I don't know man I'm we're already reading the book that shows that no that that would happen in it so he kills you don't tell your story in a in a proper way and is entirely the password this is the kind of film that the more I think about the worst it'll up there I can hawk revelations what people don't know about revelation is that yes it is about the rise of the Anti Christ and you know the evil walking out of the film and things being legal but wait a minute what about this and really was that a good way to have that be hey you know there are some twists and turns but whatever export boy till Sunday spoke spoiler alert I think on Cape Saluda takes you and I are probably GonNa be middle the red I think Moyes said he already loves it and Ayaan from now at the end of the hall we get a little replay of the Gaylon galactic thing except now it's you weren't going to rise up and take over the world devil you're the devil you know and again how interesting Howard with the character who can defeat anybody income that he is worried about it and he's in that space outside of time watching as the actual heat death of the universe occurs and clearly not for the statement yeah I even killed Franklin Richards the supposed- you know the Chosen One You know I murdered him yeah but it's also about how the devil get smackdown hard like in in like one pair of at the end it's like no you weren't sh and what it is that you know when when Franklin is at the end of time and he's actually afraid of this that he doesn't know what's I she comes back in another universe comes back and you kind of his idea that basically Franklin puts her in all of his universe that she actors too that's like it seems like it's it seems like it seems now that last seen in the present when he's sitting in chairs that's supposed to you know be you know like oh I could see the maestro I think he's the maestro hope which is like they're all just Bruce Banner's a lot of the heroes reborn universe I'll yeah that's right yeah that that she didn't have a parallel earth and that she keeps undying but then after she it gets great how they really explorer and then here's the big reveal at the very end of it back who's back again oh come oh yeah he's got his alliance around you know they well unless you're Franklin Richard now but even he you know sometimes he loses his powers or read locks them out we saw it at something tale from the last month I was I enjoyed it I enjoyed it I I love for defective has the parallel actually future foundation number three I heard that it is ending which is bill disappointing because it is such a great book especially with the maker did you watch the trailer for that a while ago Yes yes I did yes knock will love for the kid for the for the young kids people I mean there is all kinds again speaking of Franklin Richards the basically Ricky Barnes is the one hero that Franklin created in she she sees the whatever that mortar being as she's tearing apart universes and you basically lives without that she's like all these thousands of lifetimes and then when of course when all of the universe is start collapsing you know adapts to because they know h stories only page long so now this is the one that made feel mad as they told him he should recycle his comic teams are treated the chance for that only put in the codes future foundation was very good We get the story of Ricky Barnes we find it's it's actually actually I think they wrote this expressing to make matt exact a Carleen make me angry wants real quick and then toss it in the in the trash actually I don't think there's actually was a an actual ad from the I know Yeah Lie Joel later whole back amongst the future so yeah I really like this book probably one of my favorite books this week anything cap even says the kid haired son I heard you're saving all his comic books but you know once you've read them they have no value not to you anyway of course you hear online quarterback is online yeah so that was cool oh that's that's awesome anything you WanNa talk about how did you WanNa talk about the one that made me mad let's marvel comics one thousand and one which you were looking something they'll do but yeah I mean it's it's cute it's it's delightful it was clearly meant to be Niskayuna takes about eight years before actually I hope you're cute you think you you're you're cute you think you'd be you'd be a exactly worthless worthless comic books in the nineteen hundred marvel telling us hey don't don't examine our comics too closely you know read it just read it exact same story but told in reverse order the first page of the Fayed is the exact same dialogue almost but knee reverse order and ACA comics for victory yes basically Cap American bucky driving around the World War Two hey we're doing a paper dry then it's like oh hey thirty some newspapers and it was clearly a you can tell that they're trying to make the points comics are worthless why would you save I'm basically what I did it's low it's models Ambi- but with the mushroom people would richards really be that stupid no I mean other well of course it will be called marvel to thousands or something just one thousand one marvel tales to this issue was good it was just basically like one page that angered yes oh yeah one shot and a lot of comedy I actually fell yeah honestly it's yeah it's it's it's it's it's a it's a reach and we see the obviously when you get infected than you know the with superhuman strength of calcium infection on the thing so I think they were just looking for in the do because it's October Halloween's come in DC once real quick Austin in the trash or recycling wanted us they want you to get rid of it so that you have to buy the trade yeah yeah what's your by twenty because kids were put although they were just not taking care of them they also would say well you know I've already read that book why do I need to do back then in the forties at this thing started could be worth anything ever yeah although you see the kids I'm going to have the largest count book collection in the World All crying yeah oh I wonder if they if they when they do a trade if they're gonNA package more will comics one thousand and one thousand one to get he's doing the deceased miniseries but is is this even I mean how long is this going to last four issues four recommended contagion Teijin exit was a big Ben Grimm story ah not excessively impressed by contagion look good you're you're supposed to understand the irony of all the statements but at the same time that's also why comics became valuable fantastic four number fifteen when divergent came out of the see the the the unparalleled ours are in other people now to Z.
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The assume guy using the stretching powers and the shields even seems to like Crowe like Oh real comedy like much more I think than most of these books ever do and that I kind of got the feeling this is almost like a what the you know it's like you can't really get to in is the eighth superhumans on this other world and you know the prophecy of the coming of the four and Yada Yada Yada the connection to their origin GonNa be is like is that where the I mean it'd be one thing if they were like Oh yeah read it and then like give it to a friend okay I could buy that they're just like Oh yes you know books are four bucks for five bucks these days yeah well you know I'm easy to pander to I say I'd say four ninety nine book I'm not GonNa just recycle it wants to throw it away some of the best stories when you just have fun you know I liked that I liked that you know have marvel issue was good as refines it and then old man quilt open quote was a lot of fun.
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Yeah you know we're Austin time now and it's just like oh how devil skipped if it was okay light wearing white will he ever get back it's like well he is tending right next to a time sled so you know what I was thinking because now Ayush next but
