individual body view

It has been almost two months since we shared some of the great listener feedback that we are getting. This is always interesting and encouraging for other listeners who often have the same thoughts and questions. The first question wanted an explanation of the differences between the Futurist Bodies Out of the Ground resurrection view (BOG) and the two Preterist resurrection views (CBV versus IBV). Other questions focused on Daniel's Seventy Weeks, the first century rapture, and how the NT manuscripts survived and remained uncorrupted in spite of the rapture removal of all the true Christians at the Parousia. Several more questions and comments dealt with the two resurrection views within Preterism: CBV versus IBV. If you wish to have the free PDF written lesson outline for this podcast, simply email us to request it (preterist1@preterist.org). Be sure to mention the date of this podcast when you contact us.Support the show

Another of the most important texts which the Collective Body View (CBV) uses to support its concept of a collective body resurrection is Romans 8:23. They contend that the phrase “our body” mentioned here in this text is a reference to the collective body (the church) being resurrected or “redeemed” at the Parousia. Through grammatical and contextual analysis, as well as a look at similar passages, we very effectively debunk that theory and show that this text is talking about a bodily change for individual saints at the Parousia – the same bodily change that is mentioned in 1 Cor 15, 2 Cor 5, Phil 3:21, and 1 Jn 3:2. This podcast challenges all full preterists to discover what this bodily transformation really was all about. If you wish to have the free PDF written lesson outline for this podcast, simply email us to request it (preterist1@preterist.org). Be sure to mention the date of this podcast when you contact us.Support the show

We look at two more of the thirteen uses of the word "body" found here in Romans chapter seven, verses 4 and 24. The Collective Body View interprets both of these references to "body" as being collective. However, we show from the context that a collective application of these two texts is absurd, and makes total nonsense out of Paul's flow of thought here in Romans 7. All of the moral, ethical, and spiritual exhortations that Paul expresses here, must be connected to the individual saints, and NOT to a collective body. Otherwise, it would strip away all the motivation for individual saints to mortify their sinful lifestyle and pursue after sanctification of their bodies. That implication alone should be cause for pause before blindly accepting the collective body view. If you wish to have the free PDF written lesson outline for this podcast, simply email us to request it (preterist1@preterist.org). Be sure to mention the date of this podcast when you contact us.Support the show

We pick back up on our study of the thirteen uses of the word "body" here in Romans. In this session we get down into the context of Romans chapter six to examine two of those "body" texts found in verses 6 and 12. We use the paraphrase translation of F. F. Bruce to help us grasp what Paul is saying in this chapter, and then show that all of its teachings and exhortations are bound up with the individual "bodies" of the Roman saints, not at all with a collective body concept. The individual "body" application is absolutely necessary in this context, since all of Paul's moral, ethical, and spiritual exhortations are attached to the "body" that is under consideration here. If that "body" is collective, it automatically disconnects the individual Christian from all of Paul's moral, ethical, and spiritual exhortations here. If you wish to have the free PDF written lesson outline for this podcast, simply email us to request it (preterist1@preterist.org). Be sure to mention the date of this podcast when you contact us.Support the show

One well-known preterist leader who holds the Collective Body View recently taught that the word "creation" as used in Eph 2:10 and Rom 1:20 is referring to Old Testament Israel. That idea is very similar to the Covenant Creationist view, which he says he does not agree with. We examine the context of Rom 1:20 to show that the phrase "creation of the world" is referring to the "creation of the heavens and earth" in Genesis 1-2, and not about the creation of the nation of Israel at the Exodus. If you have been confused about the meaning of the word "creation" in the book of Romans, you will want to pay close attention to this podcast. If you wish to have the free PDF written lesson outline for this podcast, simply email us to request it (preterist1@preterist.org). Be sure to mention the date of this podcast when you contact us.Support the show

Advocates for the Collective Body view of the resurrection have asserted that the phrase "THE sin" in Rom 6:1 should be understood as a reference to "THE Law." They then use that idea to suggest that Paul is urging Jewish Christians to quit keeping the Law (instead of stop sinning). We show how that can not be the correct understanding of Rom 6:1. The Collective Body view also teaches that "the BODY of Moses" (mentioned in Jude 9) is referring to a collective BODY of Israelites who kept the Law of Moses. We show instead that Jude 9 is simply referring to the literal physical individual body of Moses. We also show how the phrases "your mortal body" (Rom 6:12) and "in the BODY" (2 Cor 5:6-10) are referring to the individual mortal bodies of the first century saints, and NOT talking about a collective body. If you wish to have the free PDF written lesson outline for this podcast, simply email us to request it (preterist1@preterist.org). Be sure to mention the date of this podcast when you contact us.Support the show

The first three chapters of Romans lock up all humanity, including the Jews, under condemnation. That is very bad news for everyone, especially for the Jews who considered themselves as automatically saved. Before Paul gives them the good news, he unloads this bad news on them first. How was "ALL ISRAEL" saved at the Parousia in AD 70? How did the Roman church fit into that plan to save ALL ISRAEL? How do the Collective Body and Individual Body views differ in their explanations of this SALVATION of All Israel? What is the "New Perspective on Paul"? If you wish to have the free PDF written lesson outline for this podcast, simply email us to request it (preterist1@preterist.org). Be sure to mention the date of this podcast when you contact us.Support the show

In the past several podcasts we have looked at bits and pieces of the 1Cor 15 context. In this session we summarize all that and provide the overall big picture of what Paul is saying about the resurrection here in his letters to the Corinthian saints. We share some further insights into this text which show clearly and conclusively that Paul is NOT talking about a Collective Body being raised here, but rather is explaining what would happen to both the living and the dead saints at the Parousia. The dead saints would be RAISED out of Hades and given their new immortal bodies, while the living saints would have their mortal bodies CHANGED into immortal bodies. If you wish to have the free PDF written lesson outline for this podcast, simply email us to request it (preterist1@preterist.org). Be sure to mention the date of this podcast when you contact us.Support the show

Advocates for the Collective Body View (CBV) of the resurrection claim that the Present Passive form of the Greek verb EGEIRO ("are raised") can ONLY be legitimately translated as "are BEING raised" with the sense of an ongoing process of resurrection of the collective body. On the basis of that claim, they label other preterists (IBV) as being futurists. We show that their collective body interpretation of 1 Cor 15 simply does not hold up under grammatical, historical, and contextual scrutiny, and that the Individual Body interpretation of this text is the correct one. If you wish to have the free PDF written lesson outline for this podcast, simply email us to request it (preterist1@preterist.org). Be sure to mention the date of this podcast when you contact us.Support the show

Is the Genesis account of Creation and the Flood literal and historical, or merely figurative or mythological? And how does that relate to the Preterist view and our explanation of the NATURE of fulfillment of the endtime events? Every systematic theology has to deal with Genesis, and the way they interpret it will automatically determine how the rest of their paradigm will be configured. It is absolutely critical to get the BEGINNING right, or the ENDING will be wrong. Any other preterist view of the resurrection which builds its paradigm on an allegorical or mythological view of Genesis is doomed to failure. That is why the Individual Body View of the Resurrection is building its system on the foundation of a literal, historical Genesis. If you wish to have the free PDF written lesson outline for this podcast, simply email us to request it (preterist1@preterist.org). Be sure to mention the date of this podcast when you contact us.Support the show

Advocates of the Collective Body resurrection view have accused the Individual Body View of being futurist because we teach that we get a new immortal body and go to heaven at physical death. However, we reverse those charges, and show that the Collective Body View has produced some very rotten fruit by teaching that we are in "heaven now," and have our "immortal bodies now," and have "perfection now," and that "sin no longer exists now," or that "temptation and sin will continue to plague us even in the afterlife." If you are confused by all those strange unbiblical ideas that the Collective Body View has produced, this podcast is for you. If you wish to have the free PDF written lesson outline for this podcast, simply email us to request it (preterist1@preterist.org). Be sure to mention the date of this podcast when you contact us.Support the show

This is a replay of my seminar speech at the Garrettsville 2011 seminar on the topic of the Resurrection. We discuss the various major concepts of resurrection within Full Preterism, and then show why we believe the Individual Body View is the biblically correct one. If you are interested in the preterist explanation of the resurrection issue, this is the podcast for you! There is a PDF lesson outline available for this podcast. Send an email to preterist1@preterist.org and request it by its date.Support the show