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The Lifestyle Lawyer: Running a $50k Per Month Solo Practice in 30 Hours a Week | Episode 67 | Unbundled Attorney 

In this episode, we interview Clay Wilkinson, a long-time Unbundled Attorney from Dallas, TX. Clay reveals how he has been able to build a lifestyle-driven practice that consistently generates $50k a month in revenue, while working about 30 hours a week.

Since we started working with Clay over 7 years ago, his focus has always been on work-life balance over pure profit. What is most important for him is not building a high volume practice, but rather spending more time with his kids, going on trips around the world, and enjoying his family.  However, even though he has optimized his law practice for lifestyle, he's still bene able to build a practice that does exceptionally well financially. 

During this interview, Clay discusses the importance of direct client contact, an efficient use of technology for scheduling and communication, and the shift to flat fees for streamlined billing. 

Clay also emphasizes customizing legal services to client budgets, responding to online reviews while maintaining confidentiality, and the significance of taking vacations without compromising client service with appropriate application of automation. His insights reflect his commitment to a client-centered, efficient, and balanced legal practice.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Clay Wilkinson's journey from working with a large law firm to becoming a successful solo practitioner
• Importance of maintaining a work-life balance and finding fulfillment in practicing law on your own terms
• The tools he uses to enhance the efficiency of his practice
• Why he provides all of his representation on a flat-fee, limited scope basis
• His unique approach to client intake and ongoing communications
• Importance of managing work volume and taking breaks to avoid burnout
• Practical aspects of managing workload while ensuring that clients are still receiving the prompt legal assistance
• And much more...

Resources Mentioned:

• Calendly (41:28)

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Summary

In this episode, Zinda Law Group CEO and founder, Jack Zinda talks about liability cases and the best practices for evaluating them. 

Discussed in this Episode:

• What is the upside?
• Assuming it goes to trial
• Your theory of the case
• The odds of success

What is the Upside?

In order to prevent ourselves from wasting valuable time and money, we need to evaluate each case step by step. Let’s start with the most obvious question: what is the upside? Before spending any time researching the case, you’ve got to make sure that there’s value there. 

Assume it goes to Trial

Though it may look simple on the outside, assuming that each case will go all the way to trial will save you from losing time and money on the backend. By setting worst-case expectations, you will often find that you’re rarely put in a situation that isn’t profitable. 

Your Theory of the Case

Look at the case and imagine your best outcome. Of the things you don’t know, what do you want them to be? By narrowing your focus to the few pieces of information you’d require to take on the case, it will be easier to evaluate. 

The Odds of Success

Take all of the data that you’ve collected and make a determination based on similar cases you or other colleagues have had. Calculating the odds or percentage of success should give you a really good idea of whether the case is worth taking or not.  

You can reach Jack at:

jz@zindalaw.com

512-246-2224

Summary

In this episode, Zinda Law Group CEO and founder, Jack Zinda talks about becoming great at anything by continuing education.

Discussed in this Episode:

• Break things down
• The classroom portion
• Real world rehearsal
• Tweak the process

Break Things Down

Instead of focusing on the end goal, break things down into smaller pieces. Your goal  may be to become the best trial lawyer possible, but if you get too wrapped up in the big picture, it can become overwhelming and hamper your ability to learn effectively. 

The Classroom Portion

While having real-world experience is a must, it’s best to start with your own research. Jack talks about how he listens to CLEs while working out and how education connected with a physical activity can be very beneficial. This is also a great time to begin to work through how you would use this knowledge in the real world. Either by rehearsing it with yourself or with a mentor. 

Real World Rehearsal

 This is a great time to begin to work through how you would use this knowledge in the real world. Either by rehearsing it with yourself or with a mentor. This can also be a great time to watch someone else do it and reflect upon the differences between the two. 

Tweak the Process

Now is the time to review everything you’ve learned, seen and worked on and make it your own. Never be afraid to adjust as new information becomes available and be flexible to stay on top.

You can reach Jack at:

jz@zindalaw.com

512-246-2224

Summary

In this episode, Zinda Law Group CEO and founder, Jack Zinda talks with Partner and Lead Trial Lawyer Neil Solomon about a last-minute wrongful death case they took and the process of resolving it. 

Discussed in this Episode:

• The facts
• Gathering information
• Unique elements to this case
• Building the case
• Allocating the funds
• Putting in the effort

The Facts

Neil talks about how the case came to them and why they decided to take it on despite the fact that they have a rule not to take on a client with less than 6 months before the statute of limitations runs out.  

Gathering Information

Once they decided to take on the case they began pulling reports, building a family tree and establishing a case file. At this point they had to decide who they will be representing and made the decision to only represent one family member instead of a group of them. 

Unique Elements to this Case

No case is cut and dry, but this case was certainly not so. There was conflicting testimony, unclear photo evidence and even some potential fault of the deceased. Because there was a national chain delivery service involved, the question became: how did this corporation handle the incident?

Building the Case

After enough witness testimony and testimony from the driver herself, they were able to surmise that there was both negligence and careless behavior from both the establishment and driver. It quickly became apparent that there were many elements at play that all contributed to this accident. 

Allocating the Funds

Once the case had been resolved, it was important to know where the funds would be going. In this case, there were children that needed funds allocated to them. By understanding the family tree up front, you can make sure that everything is signed off on and the awarded party gets proper distribution. 

Putting in the Effort

A big reason why this case was successful was due to the physical hours put into it at the beginning. When dealing with a limited window of time, you must be willing to put in more effort and be creative in your approach.

You can reach Jack at:

jack@zindalaw.com

512-246-2224

Summary

In this episode, Zinda Law Group CEO and founder, Jack Zinda talks about finding the right attorneys to your firm

Discussed in this Episode:

• What type of attorneys do I need?
• Create a scorecard
• Finding ideal candidates
• The hiring process
• Screening, testing & Interviewing

What Type of Attorneys Do I Need?

This might seem obvious, but understanding the different roles your attorneys play in your practice is important when hiring. This can include how many years of experience they have, what type of law they practice and how they fit in your team structure. 

Create a Scorecard

Next we’ll need to take all of the information we gathered above and turn that into a scorecard that we can present to potential hires. Giving the attorneys a chance to select their skills from 1-5 will make it much easier during the hiring process.

Finding Ideal Candidates

Do some research on your own and find ideal clients through LinkedIn or the ABA. They might not be available to hire, but you can use their resume as a guide when comparing potential hires. Another element is regular recruiting. Create a database of potential candidates to pull from when it’s time to hire someone. 

The Hiring Process

Now you’ll want to post the job. Of course you should post the job in the traditional places like LinkedIn, but it’s also very beneficial to post it to your website and use word-of-mouth within the practice. Oftentimes a friend or former colleague who has already been vetted can make for an easier transition. Whether it be the rate, bonus or other compensation, it’s important not to under compensate your potential employee. “You’re not going to attract A talent with C compensation”. 

Screening, Testing & Interviewing

Breaking the interview process into a few different encounters can save a lot of time when dealing with the wrong potential hire. Instead of a 90 minute interview, start with a short 15 minute screening and go from there. Once you get to the final interview you’ll have established the quality of the candidate. 

You can reach Jack at:

jack@zindalaw.com

512-246-2224

Summary

In this episode, Zinda Law Group CEO and founder, Jack Zinda talks about managing your online reputation. 

Discussed in this Episode:

• Where to look?
• Do damage control
• How to improve your rating and get positive reviews
• Respond to reviews
• Make the ask

Where to Look?

When assessing your online reputation, the first thing you should do is look up your practice on places like Google Reviews, Yelp or ABA and see what your presence is and what your reviews look like. 

Do Damage Control

It’s always important to look through your online reviews and make sure they’re valid. Jack shares a story about how a competitor was leaving bad reviews on all the personal injury lawyers in their vicinity and how it was rectified. 

How to Improve Your Rating and Get Positive Reviews

If you’re just starting out, this is a great time to give free legal information in exchange for positive reviews. Even something as simple as a quick email exchange can net you better visibility online. If you are struggling with negative reviews, it’s important to at least make sure that those reviews get pushed to page 2.

Respond to Reviews

Bad reviews happen to the best of them. There’s no escaping a scorned defendant or client that you turned away. What you can do is engage with them in a professional manner to show that you are a reasonable person. 

Make the Ask

Instead of sending a generic email once the case has been resolved, make sure to ask them in person with a heartfelt request and follow up with the necessary information.

You can reach Jack at:

jack@zindalaw.com

512-246-2224

Summary

In this episode, Zinda Law Group CEO and founder, Jack Zinda talks about case expenses and the best practices to manage them effectively. 

Discussed in this Episode:

• What do we use case expenses for?
• How much can we spend?
• How to budget a case
• Cash flow is critical to success
• How often are you successful?

What Do We Use Case Expenses for?

Create a list of things that are valid case expenses and things that aren’t. Medical records, bills, depositions, videos and photos, are basic requirements for any case and should be automatically included in your list. This list should serve as the document for your attorneys to understand what can and can’t be included for case expenses. Sometimes that line might be narrow, so be sure to be detailed when putting this list together. 

How Much Can We Spend?

The first step is to establish the percentage of potential case earnings that can be allowed to spend on case expenses. For Zinda Law Group, that number is ten percent. Some cases will require more, but having a consistent number goes a long way to make sure that if the case doesn’t receive the anticipated verdict, the financial loss is minimized. 

How to Budget a Case

Look at previous costs for services to build your budget, even if a guess is as good as you can do. You don’t need to be perfect, but you need to have some rough numbers before building a budget. Oftentimes there will be ways to decrease that budget just by thinking ahead and using a little common sense. 

Cash Flow is Critical to Success

If you don’t have cash on hand, you’ll never be able to pay for the expenses as they come up. You may have to be creative if you’re just starting out, but a business loan, loan from a family member or even a credit card might be necessary at the beginning. 

How Often Are You Successful?

No one is going to win 100% of their cases. You must build your budgets assuming that some of your cases will not have the desired result. 

You can reach Jack at:

jack@zindalaw.com

512-246-2224

Summary

In this episode, Zinda Law Group CEO and founder, Jack Zinda talks about how to account for lost wages in your personal injury case

Discussed in this Episode:

• Loss of earning capacity 
• Accurately interview your client
• What limitations were caused by the injury?
• What is the duration and worth of the harm? 
• The loss of earning capacity worksheet

Loss of Earning Capacity 

Though commonly referred to as “lost wages”, loss of earning capacity is more than just being unable to work while disabled. If you’re well-educated on this subject, there are many other ways to claim loss of earning capacity.

Accurately Interview Your Client

Loss of earning capacity means more than just your current job. When interviewing your client, ask about school, further education or other ways that the client intended to increase their earning potential. If they no longer have the means, capability to work in that field, or are delayed, there may be an additional dollar amount associated. In addition to future earning capacity, don’t forget about simple things like overtime. Even if they received PTO during their injury, they are still able to retrieve lost earnings.

What Limitations Were Caused by the Injury?

It’s not just about manual labor when it comes to limitations at work due to an injury. Many people work with computers in office settings and something as small as an inability to type will qualify.

What is the Duration and Worth of the Harm? 

This is where age can play a large factor in how much a defendant can be liable for. This may be the time to talk with an economist and a vocational rehab expert to help get the initial figures. 

The Loss of Earning Capacity Worksheet

This is where you start compiling numbers and putting together a final number. Other things to look for when calculating include: quarterly or yearly bonuses, tax returns, other work amenities like insurance and retirement funds. This is also the time you’ll want to compile physical evidence like W-2 forms, tax documents, a lost wages verification form, an employer statement and a doctor’s note. 

You can reach Jack at:

jack@zindalaw.com

512-246-2224

Summary

In this episode, Zinda Law Group CEO and founder, Jack Zinda talks about what you need to do to ensure that you’re completely prepared after your discovery period. 

Discussed in this Episode:

• Find the time
• The “theory of the case”
• Create your discovery questions
• Motion to compel 

Find the Time

Jack talks about his process when putting a list together. First and foremost you must set aside the time to make a comprehensive list of everything you need for each individual discovery process. Too often lawyers use templates or copy/paste their information and it can prove costly. 

The “Theory of the Case”

Once you’ve set aside some dedicated time, the next step is to begin to grab information. What facts are going to be important to winning this case and what evidence you need to prioritize getting during discovery. Then it’s time to start putting together a theory based on the initial information given to you in the case file. 

Create Your Discovery Questions

Now we dig deeper into each piece of evidence or information that we deem important. Do not be afraid to be very specific here. Being overly broad in your inquiry may leave room for interpretation. Was there video evidence? If not, make them prove it. 

Motion to Compel

After the initial discovery inquiry, it’s time to create your motion to compel letter. This is where good lawyers can make a case. Create a person of interest log as well as a production log and find what information is missing or you feel is being withheld.

You can reach Jack at:

jack@zindalaw.com

512-246-2224

Summary

In this episode, Zinda Law Group CEO and founder, Jack Zinda talks about how to win the often difficult Premises Liability cases. 

Discussed in this Episode:

• Determining which cases are worth taking
• Are the damages worth the risk?
• What information to assemble
• Exfoliation letter and witnesses
• Credibility is critical

Determining Which Cases are Worth Taking

 There are three types of premises liability cases. An example of type one is a slip in a grocery store which often means there is a 3rd party involved. Type two is directly due to the owner of the premises not keeping up with maintenance or putting others in harm’s way. The third type is where the defendant did something that led to the hazard.

Are the Damages Worth the Risk?

When approaching a premises liability case it’s important to assume that all cases will go to trial. Is there enough to warrant all of the time and resources that may be needed to see this case to the finish.  For Zinda Law Group they tend to not take cases until they reach a certain dollar threshold or damages. 

What Information to Assemble

Once you’ve decided to take on the case, you’ll want to begin assembling information. That includes large things like maintenance violations to small things like what shoes the defendant was wearing. Sometimes something as small as one glass of wine and flip-flops may be enough to put doubt in the jury’s mind. 

Exfoliation Letter and Witnesses

Send an exfoliation letter as soon as possible. If you are able to get video evidence you may know immediately if a case is worth pursuing. If the defense is hesitant to give you video footage, it may be a sign that they’re liable. Getting witness testimony is another way to find leverage against the defendant if they are being stingy about video evidence. 

Credibility is Crucial

Even if all of the evidence points toward liability of the defense, you still need to make sure that the client is able to play their part in the process. A client with a complicated criminal past will undoubtedly have a more difficult time than the eagle scout.  

You can reach Jack at:

jack@zindalaw.com

512-246-2224

Summary

In this episode, Zinda Law Group CEO and founder, Jack Zinda talks about what you can do to find and succeed within a niche practice area.

Discussed in this Episode:

• Why choose a “niche”?
• How to find your nice
• Become an expert
• How to market to your niche?

Why Choose a “Niche”?

Personal injury law is an incredibly competitive place. Trying to cast too wide of a net can cause you to miss out on opportunities because you aren’t able to cut through the noise. Becoming an expert on one specific type of case will improve your chances to become a leader in your field. 

How to Find Your Niche

Pick something that you’re already passionate about. Jack talks about being a cyclist and how knowledge of that hobby makes it much easier to be the most competent in that field. It’s also important to know if there is a need for your services within that niche or in the area that you practice law. 

Become an Expert

Take the knowledge of your niche and pair it with your knowledge of the law. What areas do they need to intersect and do you have a comprehensive understanding of those needs?

How to Market to Your Niche

Volunteer your time to the community that your niche represents. Whether it’s spending time person-to-person, giving talks about safety or making yourself available for questions, you must increase your exposure to see results.  

You can reach Jack at:

jack@zindalaw.com

512-246-2224

In Episode 23 of Winning The Moment Podcast, we sit down with the remarkable Andrew Spainhower, managing partner of the leading personal injury law firm in Southern Utah. Drawing from his extensive expertise and ten years of experience, Andrew sheds light on the intricacies of personal injury law and the mission that drives his unwavering commitment to helping those in need.

Andrew's journey from a budding law student to an accomplished attorney leading a dynamic team at McMullin Injury Law is nothing short of inspiring. Join us as we delve into his remarkable trajectory, from his early days as a dedicated student at The Sandra Day O’Connor College of Law at Arizona State University to his pivotal role in transforming McMullin Injury Law from a two-employee venture to a thriving practice with a team of seven attorneys and over twenty employees.

Throughout the episode, Andrew reflects on the challenges he has encountered in advocating for his clients, emphasizing his passion for ensuring that individuals receive fair compensation in the face of formidable opposition from corporate insurance entities. He offers invaluable insights into the intricate world of personal injury cases, ranging from navigating complex insurance claims to navigating the intricate dynamics of high-stakes courtroom trials.

Andrew's commitment to serving his community is palpable, extending beyond his professional endeavors to his active involvement in various bar associations and commitment to local causes. Amid his demanding professional commitments, Andrew finds solace in cherished moments with his family, emphasizing the importance of balancing his legal career with his dedication to being a loving husband and father.

In this insightful and engaging episode, listeners will gain a deeper understanding of the legal intricacies involved in personal injury cases and the vital role that attorneys like Andrew Spainhower play in ensuring that justice is served for those who need it most.

Tune in to Episode 23 of Winning The Moment Podcast as we explore the enriching conversation with Andrew Spainhower, offering a compelling narrative of resilience, dedication, and unwavering advocacy for the rights of the injured.

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Today the Zinda Law Group team discusses Traumatic Brain Injury Cases and the best methods for approaching them. How can you tell the full extent of the injury? How has the science behind TBI changed in recent years? How do you get an accurate picture of the client’s health and behavior? 

Summary

In this episode Zinda Law Group CEO and lead trial lawyer, Jack Zinda, talks with Senior Director of Attorneys and Legal Staff, Jason Aldridge. They cover everything you need to know when gathering and preparing evidence for a premises liability case.

Investigating Liability

When considering a premises liability case, understanding the relationship between the injured and the business is crucial. Conducting an initial investigation will give you a better idea of if a case is worth taking. “Setting the scene” with the client is a great way to build a timeline. You might also consider a human factors expert who will compile information about the safety of the surrounding area where the incident took place. 

Tracking Down Witnesses

Jason explains how he goes about gathering evidence and shares the best practices to get the most out of your witnesses. “You must think about employees, former employees, and companies that may have interacted”. He then talks about filing open records requests. “One thing you’re looking for in these cases is to establish a pattern of conduct." 

Video Footage

How valuable is video footage and how to find it? When considering video, you must be on top of it. Sending out a video request should be near the top of your list. “If it’s good for your case, they’ll try not to show you, but of course you’ll want to see it." In the situation that video is ineffective, the next best thing you can do is take your own photos of the location where the injury occurred. Jason tells a story about an instance where fighting for video footage completely flipped a case.  “Don’t take ‘there’s no footage’ for an answer." 

Depositions

“The common theme in all premises liability cases is money over safety." Whether it be an injury due to a fall or death due to drowning, all cases should be approached the same way. Don’t be afraid to take a lot of depositions. It can be as simple as asking a few questions to lots of people, they don’t need to be a six hour deposition. “Start with the incident itself and go out from there."

Cases to Avoid

“For us, what a win looks like has to be factored into the case." When accepting a case, you want to feel confident in the fact that the jury will be deciding on how much to award in damages, not IF the client was at fault. The jury will be putting themselves in the shoes of your client and they must feel as if the accident was not “reasonable."

You can reach Jack at jack@zindalaw.com.

In this episode, the Zinda Law Group team discusses how to come up with a discovery plan in a catastrophic or complicated case. All too often, firms and attorneys take a cookie cutter approach, which can cost you at the end of the case when you get to trial, as well as early on in the case when you're not getting the evidence you need. Some insights into today's episode:              

• Creating a discovery plan
• What a corporate representative deposition is
• The order of discovery
• Obtaining information the defence is hiding
• Common mistakes when handling discovery

Summary

In this episode, Zinda Law Group CEO and founder, Jack Zinda, talks about the ways that AI technology can affect your practice. 

Discussed in this Episode:

• Drafting demand letters
• Giving client updates
• Drafting pleadings and brief writing
• Evaluating cases

Drafting Demand Letters

One way that AI might be effective is in demand letters. Being able to crunch a large amount of data quickly will give you a better sense of what will and won’t work with a demand letter. 

Giving Client Updates

Automating systems that primarily have to do with busy work, will free up time for you and your staff to focus on larger matters.

Drafting Pleadings and Brief Writing

Creating templates that work with AI will allow you to key in on the specifics of the case without all of the time consuming technical jargon. 

Evaluating Cases

Using AI to  crunch large amounts of data and delivering that data in a tangible way will go a long way to making case evaluations more accurate and efficient. 

You can reach Jack at:

jack@zindalaw.com

512-246-2224

Summary

In this episode, Zinda Law Group CEO and founder, Jack Zinda, talks about creative ways to find new business from your past and existing clients

Discussed in this Episode:

• You have to do a good job
• Personally interact with them once a month
• Survey the client regularly
• Keep in touch

You Have to Do a Good Job

Unless your client enjoyed their experience working with you, you’re never going to get returning business. It may sound simple, but focusing on being the best that you can be today will create business for the future. 

Personally Interact with Them Once a month

It’s important to remind your clients that you are actively working on their case or that you’re thinking about them. Make an extra effort to meet in person or over a teleconference video chat. 

Survey the Client Regularly

Once a quarter send a survey to your clients. Without constructive criticism you’ll have no way of knowing what areas need to be improved.   

Keep in Touch

Once the case is complete, reach out to them at least once a year with a small gift or reminder of your services. Doing simple things to keep your name in a client’s mind will greatly improve your chances of getting future work from them.

You can reach Jack at:

jack@zindalaw.com

512-246-2224

Summary

In this episode, Zinda Law Group CEO and founder, Jack Zinda, talks about commonly overlooked areas to find damages.

Discussed in this Episode:

• Not getting images
• Traumatic brain injuries
• Loss of earning capacity
• PTSD specialist 
• Don’t make up injuries

Not Getting Images

Getting a visual representation of how severe the injury was can be very beneficial for your case. X-rays and MRIs can be especially important if there were bone breaks or hardware had to be installed.

Traumatic Brain Injuries

If your client suffers from a brain injury make sure that all possible tests are run. Unlike an external injury, you may need to provide further evidence to show the severity. 

Loss of Earning Capacity

This area isn’t just for business owners. Anyone who is unable to work due to their injury may have a claim of either lost past and future earnings. Loss of earning capacity can even extend to a forced early retirement, so make sure to look into every possible avenue. 

PTSD Specialist

If the injury was a result of a traumatic situation and the client is having difficulty dealing with it mentally or emotionally, it may be valuable to look into a post traumatic stress disorder specialist and see if there may be further emotional damages. 

Don’t Make Up Injuries

Be very careful when establishing potential claims. While there may be overlooked areas, it’s important not to bend the truth or try to find something that’s clearly not there. One invalidated area may hurt the credibility of the entire case. 

You can reach Jack at:

jack@zindalaw.com

512-246-2224

Summary

In this episode, Zinda Law Group CEO and founder, Jack Zinda, talks about effective tactics to generate more clients for your law practice. 

Discussed in this Episode:

• Referrals from other attorneys
• Make your objectives clear
• Have good material
• Don’t sit in the corner
• Batch meetings

Referrals From Other Attorneys

The most simple way to generate clients is your relationship with other attorneys. If you’re a new attorney this means creating new relationships by attending various events, sending mailers and gaining familiarity in general. Remember to track your data and use it to establish places of weakness. 

Make Your Objectives Clear

When you’re starting your practice, being intentional about what your client generation methods are is key. You may not have the bank-roll for major advertising campaigns, so make sure every dollar is utilized effectively and efficiently.

Have Good Material

A clear message to other attorneys is a way to set yourself apart from the crowd. Go into detail to explain why working with you will be beneficial for all parties involved.

Batch Meetings

Once you have the ear of other attorneys, set aside some time to meet with them. Using a tool like Calendly is a great way to allow the other party to choose the date and time for the meeting. 

Links:

Calendly

You can reach Jack at:

jack@zindalaw.com

512-246-2224

Imagine a lawyer who can navigate complex legal challenges while leveraging the latest advancements in technology. That's the kind of lawyer we're aiming to cultivate.

This week we're super excited to be chatting with Annabel Pemberton, a true trailblazer, who studied law at the University of Warwick and embarked on a journey that led her to explore the exciting intersection of law and technology. 

But hold on, there's more to the story! Our guest jumped aboard with Sparring, a trendy law firm that's all about working with tech startups. And guess what? Alongside their professional endeavours, they launched their own podcast called "The Wired Wig" (doesn't it have a smashing name?), dedicated to bringing law and technology closer together. 

Join us on this exciting episode as we build an ecosystem where lawyers are not only legal experts but also tech-savvy innovators. 

𝐒𝐨, 𝐰𝐡𝐲 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐛𝐞 𝐥𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐢𝐧?

You can catch Rob and Annabel Pemberton talking about:

• What is Law School 2.0 and how does it work?
• What type of organization is Sparring and what is her role?
• What are the biggest legal challenges facing tech startups today?
• How does she think the increasing focus on data privacy and security will shape the future of the tech startup industry?
• What inspired Annabel to launch her podcast?
• Annabel's one piece of advice to those who are keen n taking the unconventional training contract route?

Join us now on your favourite podcast streaming app!

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