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    Explore " pdpm" with insightful episodes like "Dietitians: More Than Just Food", "Maximizing In-House Rehab Programs", "Follow the Money to Better Care", "Steven Littlehale on PDPM" and "What is PDPM and How Will it Affect You? With Marc Zimmet of Zimmet Healthcare" from podcasts like ""The Nursing Home Podcast", "The Nursing Home Podcast", "The Nursing Home Podcast", "The Nursing Home Podcast" and "The Nursing Home Podcast"" and more!

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    Dietitians: More Than Just Food

    Dietitians: More Than Just Food

    As the founder of MNT Associates and an experienced long-term care dietitian, Esther Gutman hires, trains, and provides dietitians to long-term care facilities. 

    Dietary is often disregarded as glorified catering when, in fact, it is one of the most prominent facets of a facility. 

    It is the one area of service that every resident and every family member can understand and look forward to. For this reason, Esther always tries to bring excellent standards to the kitchen. 

    In order to fully comprehend the reality of what staff must deal with, dietitians should spend time in the kitchen. This will allow them to make informed orders that staff will be able to carry out. 

    Esther states that personality and attitude are 75% of a dietitian's success and they should seek to be team players and establish rapport with staff, especially CNAs.

    Obtaining weights may be one of the biggest problems that dietitians face. Rather than dealing with it on their own, they should hold team meetings around weights so everyone can understand the complex issue. 

     

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    Maximizing In-House Rehab Programs

    Maximizing In-House Rehab Programs

    Freda Mowad is the CEO of Quality Rehab Management, QRM, and as a speech and language pathologist who has worked in the rehab industry for 20+ years,  has a lot of experience to bring to the table.

    Despite its importance, rehab predominantly stands apart from the rest of a nursing facility and often administrators don’t completely understand its complexities.

     For this reason, facilities often outsource the entire rehab team to third party vendors. It can create an internal rift between the rehab team and the rest of the team.

    Freda highly recommends the integration of in-house rehab but warns that attempting it alone has its own risks. 

    Administrators don't have the time or expertise required to manage the billing and oversee the productivity of rehab programs. They also typically lack the clinical expertise necessary to ensure therapists are complying with the rules and regulations and keeping up to date with current practices. 

    Seeking out an in-house rehab management corporation such as QRM will alleviate these risks and also other challenges the rehab department may encounter,  such as staffing and communication.

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    Follow the Money to Better Care

    Follow the Money to Better Care

    In the episode we discuss the challenges and opportunities the new payment model present to operators and how they will affect the residents and patients of these facilities. 

     

    Here's a partial list of what we discussed in this episode.

     

    Who will be affected most by these changes? 

    What is the best way for providers to successfully navigate this transition? 

    What are the 3 biggest myths 'outsiders' perceive regarding the nursing home industry? 

    Steven Littlehale on PDPM

    Steven Littlehale on PDPM

    Steven was privileged enough to have known what he wanted when he was young. He took up nursing and realized that he wanted to be involved in caring for the elderly, being someone who was close enough to live with his grandparents.

    Then took up a graduate degree in Gerontology.

    Steven also worked in clinical care in Hebrew SeniorLife in Boston. He then transitioned in research and training institute and became a part of the development team for other projects where he developed the importance of standardized clinical assessment, its reliability and validity, and the power of what can be done in the datasets for this assessment.

    Recruited to Pointright, he started studying the data and creating proprietary algorithms to help operators, nurses, and other professionals to have data driven insights about the industry.

    This has given the professionals and stakeholders with real-time, actionable information.

    Being involved with a lot of information and assessment data, Steven realized his passion in filling the gap between the quality of clinical outcome and the lack of fully grasping the financial aspect .

    It was then that he joined Zimmet Healthcare, with his enthusiasm for analytical thinking on the reimbursement models and how to best equip their clients and was appointed as the Chief Innovation Officer to lead the Zimmet team in discovering new ways to help the providers and stakeholders in achieving great nursing service.

    Steven has pointed out the sad truth of the current payment structure, which doesn’t motivate people to think about a systematic approach to end of life. He gave various examples showing that should have been of financial advantage, elders would have been given better care.

    Shmuel shared his insights on how the system has been rigged with thinking that the financial impact gets the better tilt on the scale as it provides viability to the business, overlooking the quality of services that it should have been prioritizing in the first place, as it was the major force to improve the financial aspect of the business.

    Steven explains how the PDPM is an improvement to the current healthcare system that will be beneficial to everyone involved in the business, since nursing is more fund-centered.

    As he goes teaching classes for PDPM, he points out the mix of people included in seminars that is involved and interested in this model, and he appreciated how well aligned these people are into listening and getting as much information as they can to prepare for the common goal.

    The Therapists’ Role in the SNF

    A great example that he mentioned are the therapists being boxed in their reimbursements per minute.

    For him, therapists are one of the most commonly overlooked health care provider, and they are being valued only per minute, even though they provide healing and rehabilitation, which are incredible.

    PDPM will allow them not only to be reimbursed with the timed service they provided, but to be comfortable in giving the quality service that is required of them without the hesitation of being underappreciated.

    The new model allows everyone from the management to skilled workers to join together, be in the table together and discuss the appropriate care needed for the patients, which minimizes the tension in between departments.

    PDPM Concerns

    Although beneficial, Steven still emphasizes his few concerns with PDPM. Since it will be all about the patient, he believes that behavior will have to change come October.

    Terms will also have to change accordingly. In nursing facilities, residents will no longer be called “residents” but “patients”.

    He also acknowledges the importance of documentation as it will be heavy in implementation of PDPM. This change will also mean taking the rules of the past and trying to apply them to the future.

    If you want to gain a better understanding about PDPM and how this new model works, listen to the podcast as Steven and Shmuel intelligently discuss about this change and gives their deep analysis about it.

    Steve’s final thoughts on PDPM:

    I hope my passion and excitement about this change comes across. I just think that we are in such an unbelievable inflection in our industry.

    PDPM is not certainly propped for success. PDPM is here for five years before, it will be replaced by another system, and that other system is already foretold. We are going to site neutral reimbursement where all institutional post-acute settings will get the same rate.

    PDPM and the data that we are now collecting is really going to demonstrate that we are the best game in town.

    We’re providing the best outcomes at the lowest cost. So this is just a simple stepping stone, if we crush this we are going to do exceedingly well in the future.
    Shmuel’s Take on SNFs

    People come in completely paralyzed and walked out the front doors; we get the trimmest, leanest reimbursement, and many times we get outstanding results, and if that (PDPM) is the way to the future, then that is really amazing news for providers.

    Key Takeaways:

    08:24 When the clinical results and the clinical product have a direct financial impact, that’s when everybody wins; that’s when the residents win, that’s when the operators win, that’s when all the various partners win.

    10:34 How can it be that in the industry that is created to care for elders, how can we be so bad at identifying someone’s at the end of life? How can we struggle so much with identifying people who are in pain. It is because our system does not reward that.

    17:40 You push on one side of the water bed and the other comes up.

    32:16 CMS believed PDPM will be budget neutral and there’s no way it’s going to be budget neutral. These changes are never budget neutral because behavior changes, we play by the rules, we change our behaviors, we start documenting things we never documented before.

    What is PDPM and How Will it Affect You? With Marc Zimmet of Zimmet Healthcare

    What is PDPM and How Will it Affect You? With Marc Zimmet of Zimmet Healthcare

    What does Zimmet Healthcare actually do?

    Zimmet Healthcare is a consulting support firm specializing in skilled nursing facility reimbursement, compliance and strategic planning.

    Initially started as a service vendors creating cost reports and appeals for Medicare and expanded as the industry has matured.

    Zimmet Healthcare currently employs about 60 people servicing about 300 facilities across the country.

    Do you see a significant trend in the reimbursement method for SNFs from when you started out to today?

    There’s a complete shift in SNF reimbursement.

    To be frank, clinical reimbursement is a complex topic and the goal of this conversation is to get a better understanding of the big picture, the coming changes and how they will affect day to day operations of your nursing home.

    With that in mind, let’s go back to Marc’s answer.

    In the earlier days, reimbursement was based on the costs a facility incurred when caring for a particular resident.

    The more the facility spent on the resident, the more was their reimbursement within reason.

    This is now changing to a model that is based on price and not cost. There is a fixed rate per day for a residents’ condition, diagnosis and plan of care.

    The facility will get reimbursed at that rate regardless of the actual costs incurred by the facility.

    Why is Medicare Changing the Reimbursement Methods?

    One of the biggest challenges with the current PPS/RUG method of reimbursement is that there is too much of an emphasis on the therapy received by the resident.

    For example, if there are to residents who receive the same level of therapy, the facility will receive similar reimbursement for them even if one has significant other clinical challenges (such as wound care or cognitive issues etc.).

    PDPM - Patient Driven Payment Model

    PDPM which is starting October 2019, enhances the reimbursement sensitivity of the all the different payment drivers and takes the focus away from therapy as the primary driver of payment.

    PDPM Vs. RUGs

    To understand the difference in reimbursement consider the following.

    We are going from a RUG system which has 66 RUG scores (of which we only use 20 or so of them), to PDPM which has almost 29,000 rate composite possibilities, which boils down to 15-20,000 rate combinations that will actually be used.

    In simpler terms, with more words in the language we can be that much more precise.

    How Does This Affect the MDS Process?

    The MDS job description will change a bit. There will be fewer assessments, however, it will require working more extensively with the other disciplines.

    Whereas in the past the reimbursement was driven primarily by therapy and ADLs, now the other disciplines will play a significant role in the reimbursement process.

    For example, dietary will need to capture a mechanically altered diet. The psychologists, respiratory therapists and others will play a large part in this process.

    Who is Pushing for These Changes?

    The federal government is pushing for these changes. MedPac (The Medicare Payment Advisory Commission) has been almost begging congress and CMS to implement a patient specific payment model that does not recognize the frequency and duration as the payment driver because it provides an incentive to over treat the patient.

    Is the Government Trying to Save Money With This?

    Theoretically, this is supposed to be budget neutral.

    It’s a redistribution from facilities that focus primarily on the therapy intense patients, to facilities that take the sicker, more compromised patients on the vents and trachs.

    The medically complex patients reimbursement will go up considerably and the therapy intense patients will go down.

    Will Facilities Make More Money in PDPM?

    Zimmet Healthcare expects that facilities will get better at taking credit for the care they provide and in the first year Medicare will actually spend more than their budgeted amount.

    This will be followed by a rate reduction that will recalibrate the dollars to make it budget neutral.

    So perhaps in year 1, the facilities that learn and implement programs to accurately take credit for the care they provide, may make some extra money.

    However, once the rate is adjusted, it should remain budget neutral.

    Who Gains by These Changes?

    Ultimately, these changes are indeed in the best interests of the patient.

    The problem with the system is that you almost have to provide a high level of therapy in order to keep your doors open.

    Let’s take the dialysis patient as an example.

    In the RUG reimbursement model, the facility would lose money.

    The rates are simply inadequate.

    Facilities would try an aggressive treatment approach where they would take the resident to therapy early in the morning knowing that the resident will not be able to tolerate the therapy on their return.

    With PDPM, this will not be necessary because the other clinical challenges will be considered as well in the reimbursement rate.

    What is Changing in the Medicaid System?

    Being that Medicaid is not a national system, and each state runs their own program, it’s difficult to speak about the specifics of the program.

    However, in general terms, Medicaid started out as a cost based model, many states then went to a case mix and acuity model, to a priced based system and finally to managed care. This is not universal but is the general trend.

    More importantly, every state has x number of dollars to spend on their Medicaid program. The main concern is not the distribution of reimbursement for the program, rather, it’s the overall total funding of the program.

    An astute operator will learn to maximize their Medicaid reimbursement dollars in any Medicaid system. The problem lies in the total dollar amount that the state allocates to the Medicaid program.

    Are the Articles That State the Amount a Nursing Home Loses Per Day Accurate?

    It may be true that the rates are inadequate, however, the facility was never going to be profitable just by the reimbursement payments.

    In order for a facility to be profitable they will need a good short term rehab census as well. This together with the Medicaid payments can make the facility viable and profitable.

    If the facility was 100% filled with Medicaid patients with the right acuity mix, and everyone had Medicare Part B you would not be losing $37 a day.

    Is Owning and Operating Nursing Homes Still as Profitable Now as it was 25 Years Ago?

    In the early 90’s it seemed like a really simple business to run. Nowadays, it’s a very complex business.

    Today, there is tremendous potential in the post acute care continuum which SNFs are such an important part of, is where the opportunity lies.

    In post acute care management, there real opportunity to meet the new demands of the new nursing home residents.

    A stand alone nursing facility that is well managed can absolutely be a profitable business and serve the community well.

    Where are Those Baby Boomers?

    We are always being fed information by the media that with the baby boomers are coming of age and nursing homes will have to scramble to meet the need.

    While in reality, nursing homes are struggling to survive due to lack of patients.

    As mentioned earlier, there are a variety of variables that are causing this to happen, including the push to provide for these elders within the community.

    However, the statistics do show a sharp increase in the Altzheimers disease in the coming years of which 75% of those over 80 will need to be admitted to a SNF.

    That is something that will significantly increase the utilization of SNF care and should sharply affect the overall occupancy.

    Contact Marc Zimmet and learn more about Zimmet Healthcare at
    ZHealthcare.com