rick doblin

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We’re in the midst of a psychedelic renaissance. Compounds that have long been considered recreational drugs by conventional standards are finally being recognized through science as powerful tools for overcoming hard-to-treat health issues, like PTSD, depression, addiction, and more. Mental health problems are the number one driver of indirect healthcare costs, loss of productivity, and diminished quality of life. Yet, we aren’t very successful at treating them with modern medicine. This is a pivotal moment for turning the treatment of mental health around as we explore psychedelic medicine.

Today, I’m excited to talk to a leading expert and advocate in the field of psychedelic medicine, Rick Doblin. Rick Doblin, Ph.D., is the founder and executive director of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS). He received his doctorate in Public Policy from Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government. His professional goal is to help develop legal contexts for the beneficial uses of psychedelics and marijuana, primarily as prescription medicines but also for personal growth for otherwise healthy people, and eventually to become a legally licensed psychedelic therapist. 

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Here are more details from our interview (audio version / Apple Subscriber version):

• Rick’s early life and introduction to psychedelics (8:36 / 3:55)
• The history of psychedelic research and the psychedelic renaissance (30:02 / 25:24)
• Is psychedelic-assisted therapy practical and scalable? (32:34 / 27:55) 
• Group and couples psychedelic-assisted therapy (36:53 / 30:40) 
• The economics of providing psychedelic-assisted therapy (38:53 / 34:15)
• Drug policy reform (39:55 / 35:15) 
• How psychedelics affect the brain (41:26 / 36:58) 
• Reframing the public perception of psychedelics (1:02:19 / 57:50) 
• Moving toward a world of net-zero trauma (1:04:10 / 59:30) 
• The future of drug policy reform (1:17:47 / 1:08:50) 

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When you look at the world, it can feel like we're in a precarious moment. If you’ve listened to past episodes, you know we call this the meta-crisis — an era of overlapping and interconnected crises like climate change, polarization, and the rise of decentralized technologies like synthetic biology. It can feel like we’re on a path to destroy ourselves.

That's why we’re talking to Rick Doblin, the founder and executive director of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, or MAPS. They’re a nonprofit focused on educating and researching the benefits of using psychedelic therapy to address PTSD and promote humane ways of relating worldwide.

Doblin’s vision is for nothing less than a transformation of society through psychedelic-assisted therapy – not for the drugs themselves, but for their ability to help us react to one another with compassion, appreciate differences, and accept criticism.

Given the perma-crisis we face, it’s provocative to think about a tool that, when prescribed and used safely, could help us overcome rivalrous dynamics out in the world and on social media. If we rescue our hijacked brains, we can heal from the constant trauma inflation we get online, and shrink the perception gap that splits us into tribes.

Both MAPS and Center for Humane Technology want to understand what helps minds heal and be free. We invite you to keep an open mind about a different kind of humane technology as you listen to this episode. 

Correction: 

Doblin attributes a quote to Stan Grof about psychedelics helping your ego be “transparent to the transcendent.” In his book Pathways to Bliss, Joseph Campbell wrote, "When a deity serves as a model for you, your life becomes transparent to the transcendent as long as you realize the inspiring power of that deity. This means living not in the name of worldly success and achievement, but rather in the name of the transcendent, letting the energy manifest through you.” Grof was likely paraphrasing Campbell’s work and applying it to psychedelics. 

Additional credits:

The episode contains an original musical composition by Jeff Sudakin. Used with permission.

RECOMMENDED MEDIA 

Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS)

The non-profit founded by Rick Doblin in 1986 focused on developing medical, legal, and cultural contexts for people to benefit from the careful uses of psychedelics and marijuana. MAPS has some open clinical trials; see details on their website. 

Rick Doblin’s TED talk

In this fascinating dive into the science of psychedelics, Doblin explains how drugs like LSD, psilocybin and MDMA affect your brain - and shows how, when paired with psychotherapy, they could change the way we treat PTSD, depression, substance abuse and more.

How to Change Your Mind by Michael Pollan

Pollan writes of his own consciousness-expanding experiments with psychedelic drugs, and makes the case for why shaking up the brain's old habits could be therapeutic for people facing addiction, depression, or death.

How to Change Your Mind on Netflix

The docuseries version of Pollan’s book

Breath by James Nestor

This popular science book provides a historical, scientific and personal account of breathing, with special focus on the differences between mouth breathing and nasal breathing.

Insight timer

A free app for sleep, anxiety, and stress

RECOMMENDED YUA EPISODES 

You Will Never Breathe the Same Again with James Nestor

https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/38-you-will-never-breathe-the-same-again

Two Million Years in Two Hours: A Conversation with Yuval Noah Harari 

https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/28-two-million-years-in-two-hours-a-conversation-with-yuval-noah-harari

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Rick Doblin, PhD, (@rickdoblin) is the founder and executive director of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS). He received his doctorate in public policy from Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, where he wrote his dissertation on the regulation of the medical uses of psychedelics and marijuana and his master’s thesis on a survey of oncologists about smoked marijuana vs. the oral THC pill in nausea control for cancer patients. Rick was also one of the early students under the legendary Dr. Stanislav Grof.

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