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We begin with a brief flashback/rewind to the very beginning, as Joe answers a question I'd somehow never thought to ask before—namely, why "Truckin'" (of all songs)?

From there, we fast-forward back to mid-1983 and then wind our way through the Joe's Second Record (1984) and Joe's Third Record eras (1985-1986), with Joe sharing his memories of seeing Gregg Turkington (and eventual Pop-O-Pies guitarist) Kirk Heydt's short-lived band Hello Kitty on Ice; transitioning from 415 Records to Subterranean Records; touring the Southwest with the Bill Gould/Mike Bordin lineup of the Pop-O-Pies; working with producer Tom Mallon; and salvaging Joe's Third Record in the wake of some recording-studio disasters.

As if that weren't enough, Joe also offers his observations on the "punk-rock winter" of the late 1980s ("It just seemed like some kind of entity was trying to ... not completely obliterate independent music, but temporarily derail it for a time") and then walks us through his unique take on rock 'n' roll history as a series of 12-year cycles beginning in 1952 and ending in the year 2000.

Finally, there are some recollections of the 1993 "In Frisco" / "Squarehead" sessions (with Trey Spruance, Danny Heifetz, and Atom Ellis), as well as a bit about Joe's latter-day rock operetta "Lenny in Wonderland" and the recent reissue of the Pop-O-Pies' White EP.

Show notes, links, and music credits: https://whocaresanywaysf.wordpress.com/2023/11/22/wca-podcast-ep-17-joe-pop-o-pie-pt-2/

As a drummer, Phil Franklin has been a key member of bands including Caroliner, Faxed Head, and Sunburned Hand of the Man. As a singer-songwriter, he heads up Franklin's Mint, whose most recent album, Temporary,, was recorded in Australia (where Phil moved in 2019) with help from Mr. Bungle's Danny Heifetz. In this interview, we touch on all of the above, along with Mr. Franklin's memories of touring Japan, his thoughts on the New Weird America moniker, and his days in the late '80s groups Egg and the Dukes o' Pop alongside eventual Presidents of the United States of America frontman Chris Ballew.

Links, show notes, and music credits: https://whocaresanywaysf.wordpress.com/2023/07/24/wca-podcast-ep-11-phil-franklin

In this episode, I talk to Lara Allen about her late teenage years in Cincinnati and Minneapolis, her early experiences in San Francisco (from joining Caroliner to visiting the reclusive composer and instrument-builder Robert Heilbuth), and life after the Scene, among other topics.

Links, show notes, and music credits here.

In this very special episode of the podcast, I talk to Trey Spruance (Secret Chiefs 3, Mr. Bungle, etc.).

Show notes, links, and music credits here.