urbit

My pseudoanonymous guest here today is ~Pilwyc-Fastec, you can find him on Urbit by that name spelled out

Urbit is the right OS to build the future of the smart home.

What is a smart home?

What does it mean to shift around time?

How did the mainframe build the modern smart home infrastructure?

How can we share time on devices with others in a home in an intelligent way?

What was the grant process like for Urbit?

What is identity?

Peer to peer versus server to client

What does it mean to codify reputation?

What is the difference between reputation and identity?

What is the human way of doing reputation?

What is the antifragile nature of reputation?

What is preferential attachment?

What is an engagement loop?

What is calm technology?

Are client-server relationships more promotive of engagement loops?

What is a group recommender system?

What is the relationship between AI and Urbit? How will Urbit integrate with artificiall intelligence?

What does it mean to reduce error for AI? Is that all it is?

What is the relationship with business decisions and the effectiveness of artificial intelligence?

What is a pace layer?

Why does technology over-complicate things and then decomplicate them?

What is an edge device?

Director of developer experience at the Urbit Foundation

~lagrev-nocfep on Urbit

@sigilante on twitter

1. What is a sigil?
2. What is the most important thing you’ve learned about teaching?
   1. Driven by authoritarian high modernism
   2. Top down imposition
   3. Structural way of understanding context
   4. Industrial revolution
   5. Ten years ago there was online education
   6. MIT open course where
   7. Open up the content to everyone and it will create revolution
   1. Introducing a model that the person gets illuminated from
   2. Humans are good at metaphors
   3. Give them a framework and people will figure it out
   1. These things are measurable
   1. Open problem in computer science
   2. Two classes of complexity
   3. Polynomial time
   4. Vastly exponentially complicated than things that can be solved in a certain time
   5. NP on the hard problems
   1. Has to do with the structure of our attention
   1. 9 years experience
   2. Philosophy of pedagogy
   3. Why doesn’t it make it easy to open up knowledge?
   4. How do you make something relevant?
   5. Strongly in favor of hyper individualist approach to teaching
   6. Interdisciplinary
   7. Try everything, some things stick
   8. Analogical reasoning
   9. How do you improvise for metaphors?
   10. Why is it so disincentivized to do improv?
   11. Input output model doesn’t quite work because the context is so vast
   12. The model of the areas of learning is helpful but not 100% accurate
   13. Tutorial method does not scale but its the most effective
   14. Really hard problem
   15. P=NP what is it?
   16. When I’m working on a particular mode, gumption traps, energy sinks, takes a lot of agency to activate yourself out of the state
   17. Rumsfeld called the unknown unknowns
   18. What questions do you have? Is a better question than What are your questions?
   19. What do you do when you need to solve a problem?
   20. Someone tried to build a solution for what Neal is talking about at 10 minutes in
   21. Go to the fringes to get the edge cases
   22. What is the advantage of a low status source?
3. How do you make your questions and answers legible?
4. Subtopics and how to use them?
5. What is the demand for previous for previous programmers learning Urbit?
6. What is the percentage of programmers who are learning Urbit?
7. What was the first iteration of home school?
   1. Dozen people finished
   2. Now they have 60 people finishing
8. Why does Urbit have a weird perception from people?
   1. Once you hear about it you go into the rabbit hole and it never stops
   2. Its a web within a web
   3. Its like a secret door in a house didn’t you know about it
9. Pitch the idea of the treasure hunt powered by Urbit
10. Why did stars survive in demand?
    1. How much did they survive?
    2. How much does it cost to buy a star now versus the 2022 downturn in crypto
11. How do you get the right answer as opposed to the fast answer?
12. Only developers who are autodidactic like and stay with Urbit
13. Who is Richard Stallman?
    1. LISP
    2. He built community around GANU, Linux?
    3. Invented the free software 
14. What is functional programming?
15. What is the relationship between mental divergence and programming?
16. What is the third type of developers in relation to something like Urbit?
    1. The arguers
17. What is the fourth type of developers in relation to something like Urbit?
    1. Rebellious and devious enough 
18. What is the relationship between Bitcoin and Urbit?
19. What are the main challenges you see in terms of my crazy idea for the treasure hunt?
20. What are the options to build this quickly?
    1. This is the main problem
    1. Is it a web page driven experience?
    2. Build an urbit app and get them to install it
    3. You would have to figure out how to do the call outs to the phone device
    4. Hot or cold game
    5. Only track wether they found it or not
21. How can we effectively expose underlying things to the urbit server?
22. 24 minutes in
23. Should we think about Urbit as a operating system?
24. Who is experimenting with Urbit moons as internet of things?
25. Urbit app that plays a tone with your wifi strength
26. How can I think about building the prototype in the real web, so that I can destroy it and rebuild with urbit?
    1. Urbit is the database and the identity
    2. Riding back whatever you need as permanent state 
27. July and August there will be an urbit hackathon
    1. Online
    1. What are the dates?
    2. Hooner, front end dev, and domain expert
    3. What is a team?
    4. Where is it?
    5. Assembly conference in Miami at the end of September
28. Why do people care about Urbit?
29. Stewart Christoff
30. What do you think of the complex about trying to create things that you dont want to get paid for?
    1. What is Immun
    2. Async paid money
31. What are your thoughts on ADA (Cardano)?
32. Does Urbit.org do the micropayments?
    1. bounties, apprecintinceships and proposals
    2. Get stars
33. Why did stars go up when the rest of the crypto market went down?
34. How can I as someone non technical help with the development on Urbit?
    1. Noah Kumin
    2. At marsreview on twitter (didn’t work, find it again)
    3. Launch party in NYC
    1. Ongoing bounties
    2. Mars review of books, launched with the combine, an urbit foundation
    3. Who at the mars review of books?
35. Who is Jonathan Blow?
36. Who are the original founders of the web and why didn’t they get paid?
37. What should we know about institutional capture?
38. Why do you disagree with me about the inevitably of institutional capture?
    1. People who look at the project and see the knock kernel cooling
    2. More chaotic to less chaotic
    3. Perceive a teleoligical purpose
    4. We are going to win because we 
    5. Its a happy accident
    6. If we don’t kick in and make it happen
39. What did Aristotle say about the Good?
    1. You have to drop everything
40. What are your thoughts about the open future?
41. What is the macrocosmic conceptual of the rant stewart went on at 45 minutes in?
    1. Hellbaked
    1. You can never have high value?
    1. This selects very hard for survival
    2. No balance
    3. Everything that has value has been built in hell
    1. Why do things suck?
    2. Essay by Nick Land
    3. The assertion that everything with value is built in Hell
    4. How do you cull low value?
    5. Why does evil exist?
    6. What is the hard darwinian view?
    7. How to you square the harmonious idea of aesthetically and ethicall appealing to us versus the violent nature?
    8. Part of the answer is that there are always components of existence
    9. Manifest physical reality, creation
    10. What is a world soul?
    11. This means that the only way for intelligence or spirits to enter into higher states is by facing full oppositional world
    12. Its not going to get easier, its always going to be a struggle, its a whitepill, build something that survives
42. How do you build exit based on natural principles?
    1. If you see a ferret, you know that a rabbit exists
43. If you see a flower, you know there is something like a sun
44. How do you steer human moths away from the web 2.0 world and attract them to a new way of reclaiming attention?
45. The revolution will not be AB tested
46. Why is modernity difficult on spiritual deviants?
47. Why was it ok to be Wierder in the 90s?
    1. This explains gen X
48. Is the employer and employee relationship something we should perpetuate into the open future?
    1. How do DAOS fit into this?
49. When was the joint stock firm invested?
50. When was the Bar invented?

Peter McEvoy

Run Time Engineer at Tlon

1. Will Urbit replace Linux?
   1. Urbit is so big and ambitious
   2. Urbit as an overlay operating system
   3. On top of an existing operating system e.g: Mac OS, Windows
2. How far are we from hardware-enabled Urbit?
3. How long will it take for Urbit to go big, like really big?
4. How many developers are working on Urbit right now?
   1. 15 engineers at Tlon
   2. Tlon is the corporate lynchpin for the effort
   3. How many companies are building on Urbit?
5. Who runs the Urbit non-profit?
6. How does someone get a grant from the Urbit non-profit?
7. How do the non-profits work when it comes to supporting open source projects?
   1. It's like an ISP non-profit
8. What is Urbit?
   1. Human interaction to an online setting
   2. Like Stumble Upon
   3. Synchronicity and Exploration, Serendipity
9. Google is detrimental because you get exactly what you want from it
   1. Stewart realizes how addicted he is to immediate gratification
10. Will people build things on Urbit that will lead to immediate gratification?
11. Will Google become obsolete? How will they adapt?
12. What does it feel like now 3 years after giving up all social media except Linkedin?
13. Will Iboga work for internet addiction (we didn’t speak about it)?
14. As an engineer do you sometimes feel like God or a God?
15. Have you been to China?
16. Would you use something like Duolingo for learning languages?
17. Can you give me insight into building a new spaced repetition software on Urbit?
18. What is a hard break in history (19 minutes)?
19. Does someone in China own a galaxy? Or a star?
20. What is the deal with the Urbit ID?
21. What was your graduate degree in?
22. How far are we away from me being able to write prose?
23. What are the two languages for urbit?
    1. Hoon
    2. Knock
24. What are virtual machines? How do they work?
25. How long did it take you to get proficient in Knock and Hoon?
26. What is the Urbit Kernel?
    1. Arvo
27. Why is functional programming such an aspect of Urbit?
28. Who are the functional programming experts at Tlon or the other companies developing on Urbit?
29. For a newbie at programming, would it be better to learn functional programming?
30. Cal Newport Deepwork
31. How do I design my day to day living so that it brings me joy and don't do things that I don’t want to do?
32. How can we learn how we are being surveilled?
33. What did Alan Watts teach you about Zen?
34. A supposedly fun thing I will never do again
    1. A book by david foster wallace
35. Do luxury cruise ships still work?
36. What is search? Why is it different from discovery?

Reference

1. https://forvo.com/ for learning pronunciation
2. Show notes
   1. Peter’s linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mcevoypeter/
   2. Peter’s email: mcevoypeter@protonmail.com
   3. Peters @p (Urbit ID): ~fanfun-mocbud 

Anthony Arroyo runs The Combine, a startup incubator for startups building on Urbit. We discuss how Urbit governance really works, debunking the many myths, i.e. the meme that Urbit has a "feudal" or even "fascist" governance structure. We also discuss how Urbit competes with Ethereum, what kinds of businesses are starting to appear on Urbit, and many other interesting topics.

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Ted Blackman is a senior engineer at Tlon and one of the most advanced Urbit engineers in the world. We discuss how Urbit will get faster, how it will scale to billions of users, and how Urbit fits into the blockchain ecosystem. In some ways Urbit is like a blockchain, in other ways Urbit is the categorical dual of the blockchain, soon there will be a blockchain built on top of Urbit, and more.

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The Tirrel corporation is a startup building payment rails for Urbit. We discuss capitalism on Urbit, Deleuze, Christianity, and the impossibility of human dignity on the current internet.

Tirrel Corporation: https://tirrel.io/
Christian on Urbit: ~pindet-timmut
Logan on Urbit: ~tacryt-socryp

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Édouard Urcades is a designer at Tlon. He thinks computers are like flowers; his goal is to design the most beautiful computer.

Édouard on Twitter: https://twitter.com/fiowerstructure

Édouard on Urbit: ~fabled-faster

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@niftynei sits down with Galen, co-founder of Tlon an Urbit-system company, to talk about digital spaces and homes.

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In today's episode, we talk with Ted Blackman aka ~rovnys-ricfer. Ted is a core developer of Urbit and has been thinking about ways to get around high network fees in Ethereum. In this episode, we discuss possible Ethereum alternatives as well as internal Urbit solutions.

As always you can find us on Urbit at ~dalten/collective

In today's episode, we talk with Erik Newton. Erik started his career running a successful family law practice and used that experience to launch a series of podcasts on relationships. Currently, he is the COO of Tlon the primary developers of Urbit. In this conversation, we talk about building healthy relationships, communication, and communities.

In today's episode of the Dalten Collective, we talk with mentalist and consultant Jonathan Pritchard about metal exercise, digital art, Urbit, and martial arts.

You can find us on Urbit at ~dalten/collective or at our website http://dalten.org

For those following along with Johnathan's memory game here is a link to the 10 items that he memorized at the beginning fo the show.

https://pastebin.com/uzr8qdkR

Christian Langalis and Logan Allen from Tlon join the show to discuss Urbit, the ambitious and somewhat mysterious computing project that they work on. We discuss how Bitcoin and Urbit could be mutually beneficial, how Urbit might free us from the tyrannical tech oligopolies, and why a from-scratch rewrite of Unix and the computing stack is necessary.

Ted Blackman is a senior engineer at Urbit. Urbit is a mysterious tech startup founded by Curtis Yarvin, aka Mencius Moldbug. Ted kindly answered all my questions, and he dealt very graciously with my efforts to politicize everything.

This conversation was first recorded as a livestream on Youtube. Big thanks to all the members who help to keep this running.