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    133. Maps of Meaning 5: Story and Metastory 1

    enAugust 23, 2020

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    • The importance of stories and meta-stories in understanding the world and taking actionJordan Peterson emphasizes the significance of stories and meta-stories to navigate the complexities of life, and encourages focusing on their structure. He also mentions the importance of sleep and suggests Helix Sleep for a customized mattress experience.

      Our perception of the world is too complex to fully understand, and we simplify it to act effectively. Jordan Peterson discusses the importance of stories and meta-stories in understanding the world and taking action. He explains that for a long time, it was believed that we make a complete model of the world, act based on it, and adjust when it doesn't match reality. Russian scientists Vinogradova and Sokolov, students of neuropsychologist Alexander Luria, made significant contributions to this understanding. However, Peterson emphasizes the importance of distinguishing between the world as a place to perceive objects and a place to act. He encourages focusing on the structure of stories and meta-stories to navigate the complexities of life. Additionally, he mentions the significance of sleep for maintaining good health and suggests trying Helix Sleep for a customized and comfortable mattress experience.

    • Studying brain function through physiological responsesRepeated exposure to a stimulus causes habituation of physiological responses, but alterations reinstates them, indicating our nervous system's distributed nature and adaptability.

      Our physiological responses, such as changes in skin conductance, can provide insights into brain function. Research conducted by Luria and his students, including Sokolov and Vinigrodova, used psychophysiological measurement to study the relationship between brain function and these responses. They discovered that with repeated exposure to the same stimulus, such as a tone, the orienting reflex, or response, would habituate, or decrease in magnitude. However, if the stimulus was altered in a perceptible way, the orienting reflex would be reinstated. This research suggests that our nervous system is distributed throughout our body, and we have layers of response at different time frames to help us adapt to the demands of the external environment. Additionally, simple reflexes, which are fast-acting and stimulus-response in nature, play a crucial role in survival.

    • The orienting reflex: Preparing for the unknownThe orienting reflex is a complex process that prepares us for action and triggers emotional and cognitive responses to the unknown, but creating an accurate internal model of the world is a challenge for both humans and machines.

      Our understanding of how we process new information involves a complex interplay between our internal model of the world and our perception of the external environment. The orienting reflex, an initial response to the unknown, is a reflexive yet complex process that can unfold over an extended period. This reflex prepares us for action and triggers emotional and cognitive responses, which can take time to fully manifest. The standard theory in psychology suggested that our brain creates a detailed internal model of the world and compares it to the external world through the orienting reflex. However, the complexity of perceiving the world became apparent when artificial intelligence researchers attempted to replicate this process, revealing the impossibility of accurately modeling the world. Instead, modern approaches to artificial intelligence focus on machine learning and adaptability.

    • Perception's Complexity: Shifting Meanings and Overlooked DetailsPostmodernism questioned the existence of definitive textual meaning due to contextual factors, while our perception can overlook crucial details even when we're aware of them.

      Perception, whether it's of physical objects or texts, is far more complex than we might initially assume. Just as the same chair can appear vastly different under various lighting conditions, a text's meaning can shift significantly based on the reader's experiences and interpretations. This was a challenge both for the early AI projects and for literary critics during the emergence of postmodernism. The conclusion drawn by postmodernists was that extracting a definitive meaning from a text is an error due to its dependence on various contextual factors. However, despite the complexity, it's important to remember that just because something is difficult doesn't mean it's impossible. In the case of the basketball passing experiment, even when people were aware of the gorilla in the scene, they could still miss other changes in the background. This demonstrates the importance of being mindful of our perceptions and the potential for overlooking crucial details.

    • The Limits of Our Perception: Change Blindness and the Gorilla ExperimentOur perception is not a constant, high-resolution image but rather a series of snapshots. We don't see everything in our environment in detail at once, and our brains prioritize what to focus on based on relevance. The gorilla experiment showed that even significant changes can go unnoticed due to our brain's focus on specific areas.

      Our perception of the world around us is not as comprehensive as we believe it to be. The phenomenon of change blindness, demonstrated by the famous gorilla experiment, showed that even when something significant and unexpected happens in our visual field, we may not notice it due to our brain's way of focusing on specific areas and filling in the details. Our vision is not a constant, high-resolution image but rather a series of snapshots assembled from the central fovea and peripheral vision. The center of our vision has incredibly high resolution, but it fades into low resolution as we move towards the periphery. This means that we don't see everything in our environment in detail at once, and our brains have to decide what to focus on based on relevance. The gorilla experiment challenged the assumption that we make a complete model of the world and forced us to reconsider our perception and the limitations of our senses.

    • Our perception is shaped by desires and expectationsOur perception is influenced by our current goals and values, filtering out irrelevant information and shaping our understanding of the world

      Our perception of the world is shaped by our desires and expectations, creating two models that can sometimes mismatch. The world we see is not the complete world, but rather a partial model based on our current pursuits. The gorilla experiment illustrates this concept, showing that we only perceive what is relevant to our ongoing goals. The meaning of our perception is complex and dependent on various factors, including the context and our personal values. So, in essence, what we see and perceive is a reflection of our desires and values, shaping our understanding of the world around us.

    • Our perception and categorization of the world is complexOur brains naturally categorize objects at a basic level using short, commonly used words, and process emotions and threats differently than regular language, reflecting our evolutionary past. The world is interconnected in complex ways, and understanding these connections is crucial.

      Our perception and categorization of the world around us is not as simple as it seems. Children, for instance, don't label animals as "furry mammals," but rather use specific names like "cat" or "dog." This is because our brains naturally recognize and categorize objects at a basic level, using short, commonly used words. Furthermore, our brains process emotions and threats differently than regular language, as evidenced by the instinctive cursing or emotional responses when faced with unexpected events or failures. These findings suggest that our understanding of the world and the language we use to describe it are deeply interconnected and influenced by our evolutionary past. Moreover, the example of a computer crashing illustrates the invisible interdependence of seemingly unrelated things. While our initial reaction might be to check the power or the fuse box, the reality is that the function of a computer is dependent on many factors, including the stability of the sun and the electrical grid. This example highlights the importance of considering the bigger picture and recognizing the complex interconnections that exist in the world around us.

    • The Complex Systems Behind Simple InteractionsRecognizing the interconnectedness of seemingly simple aspects of our lives can provide valuable perspective and resilience.

      Our interactions with technology, like computers, can be deceptively simple, as we focus on the immediate task at hand. However, beneath the surface, there are complex systems, including social, economic, and political structures, that enable our technology to function consistently. This stability is crucial for our daily lives, yet often goes unnoticed. Similarly, in our relationships and daily experiences, we have the ability to choose the level of analysis and response, with the potential for catastrophic consequences if we delve too deeply into negative situations. Ultimately, understanding the interconnectedness of seemingly simple aspects of our lives can provide valuable perspective and resilience.

    • Improve sleep for better health with simple measures and a customized mattressSimple measures like using blackout curtains, avoiding blue light before bed, sleeping in a cool room, and investing in a customized mattress can improve sleep for better health. Helix Sleep is recommended for its customization options, comfort, and risk-free trial period.

      Sleep is essential for good health, and improving it can be achieved through simple measures like using blackout curtains, avoiding blue light before bed, sleeping in a cool room, and investing in a customized mattress. The importance of a good mattress, as we spend half our lives on it, was emphasized, with Helix Sleep being recommended for its customization options, comfort, and risk-free trial period. The discussion also touched upon the complexity of the world and the need to simplify it for effective action, with stories and meta-stories being introduced as units of useful information. The study of brain function through psychophysiological measurement was mentioned, highlighting the rapid physiological responses to stimuli.

    • Understanding the complex orienting reflexThe orienting reflex is a complex response that starts with a reflexive shock and can lead to more complex learning, such as when dealing with unexpected events.

      Our nervous systems respond to stimuli in various ways, from simple reflexes to more complex orienting responses. Habituation, or the decrease in response to a stimulus after repeated exposure, is a basic form of learning observed in simple organisms like snails. However, humans have more complex responses, including the orienting reflex, which involves unfolding a response to the unknown. This reflex can be reflexive in its initial stages but can also lead to more complex learning. Sokolov's research on the orienting reflex suggested that we build complex internal models of the world and use them to make predictions, which helps us match our responses to the demands of the environment. The orienting reflex is a complex response that starts with a reflexive shock and can lead to more complex learning, such as when dealing with betrayal or other unexpected events.

    • The complex process of perceiving and adjusting to new informationOur perception of the world is influenced by both physiological and psychological factors and can take time to fully adjust to new information or changes.

      Our perception of the world and our response to new information or changes is a complex process that involves both physiological and psychological components. This process, known as the orienting reflex, can take a long time to fully manifest as we try to adjust our internal models of the world to match the external reality. This theory was once widely accepted in psychology, but the challenges of creating artificially intelligent systems that could effectively model and perceive the world showed just how complex this process truly is. Even something as seemingly simple as perceiving the color of an object can be influenced by context and lighting, challenging our assumptions about the stability of objects in the world. This realization has had implications for fields ranging from artificial intelligence to literary criticism, highlighting the importance of understanding the intricacies of perception and adaptation.

    • The Complexity of Perception: Understanding Texts and ObjectsPerception is influenced by both the object or text and the perceiver, with texts having layers of meaning that require the reader's experiences and perspectives to manifest their meaning.

      Perception, whether it's of physical objects or texts, is a complex process that depends on both the object or text itself and the perceiver. A chair may have a clear definition, but a novel, with its layers of meaning and interpretations, is even more complex. The meaning that manifests from a text is a result of the text's complexity, as well as the reader's experiences and perspectives. The postmodernist view that a text has no definitive meaning is an error, but it emerged due to the complexity of perception and the influence of other intellectual movements. The experiment with the basketball players and the gorilla is an example of change blindness, which shows that human beings focus on much less of the world than they think and are blind to significant changes in their environment.

    • Our perception of the world is subjective and incompletePerception is influenced by our goals and desires, and our mental models can differ from reality, leading to unexpected anomalies

      Our perception of the world around us is not a complete and accurate representation, but rather a partial and subjective model based on our current goals and desires. Our vision, for example, focuses on specific details while peripherally sensing movement, and we construct mental models of the world as we interact with it. These models can mismatch with reality, leading to unexpected anomalies that only become apparent when they disrupt our current pursuits. Understanding the complexities of perception and attention is crucial for making sense of the world around us.

    • The way we perceive the world is influenced by focus and valuesPeople's perception of the world is shaped by their focus and values, as demonstrated in the gorilla experiment. Understanding meaning requires considering context and nested layers.

      The way we perceive the world is shaped by our value structure and focus. The gorilla experiment demonstrates this, as people were blind to the gorilla because they were focused on counting balls. Similarly, understanding the meaning of a literary work or our actions in life requires considering the context and nested layers of meaning. This can be compared to how children learn to categorize animals at a basic level. It's difficult to specify the meaning level, but it seems to reflect the natural way people perceive the world. Another example is how our reaction to a computer crashing is instinctual and similar to how animals react to threats. Overall, this discussion highlights the complex relationship between perception, focus, and meaning.

    • Our brains respond to threats with instinctive actionsOur brains have ancient circuits for dealing with threats, which can manifest as cursing or physical actions, and these responses can impact complex systems like power grids or political systems.

      Our brains have evolved to respond to threats with instinctive utterances or actions, just like monkeys in the wild. This response is not limited to verbal cursing but also includes physical actions like hitting a malfunctioning object. The circuit responsible for these responses is not the same as the one used for normal language. These old circuits, which were there to help our ancestors deal with predators, are still in use today to cope with modern-day problems, such as a computer crashing. The solar flare that caused the northeast power grid in Quebec to collapse in 2003 is an example of how complex systems can be interconnected and dependent on each other in ways that are often invisible to us. It's easy to focus on the simplest level of analysis when dealing with a problem, but it's important to remember that the stability of even seemingly independent systems, like our computers or political systems, can have far-reaching consequences.

    • Understanding complex systems and problem-solvingEffectively addressing complex problems requires determining the appropriate level of analysis and understanding the impact of emotional responses like neuroticism.

      Our perception of complex systems, be it a computer or a relationship, can greatly impact how we approach and solve problems. When something goes wrong, it's essential to determine the appropriate level of analysis to effectively address the issue. However, this can be challenging as problems can exist at various levels within a system. The discussion also touched upon the concept of neuroticism and how it influences our emotional responses to minor fluctuations in our environment. Ultimately, finding the right balance between reacting and remaining calm is a complex question that requires careful consideration. Additionally, the speaker emphasized that not all problems have clear-cut solutions and that sometimes, the simplest tool or explanation may not always be the most effective one.

    • Focusing on small issues in relationships saves time and resourcesEffective communication and problem-solving in relationships involve focusing on small issues, simplifying perceptions, and understanding underlying games

      In our interactions with others, focusing on the smallest possible issues and minimizing involvement can help conserve time and resources. This approach is particularly useful in intimate relationships when trying to resolve conflicts. Additionally, our perceptions of others are simplified through our senses and social norms, creating a "game" that helps stabilize emotions and maintain relationships. This concept applies not only to human interactions but also to the functioning of cultures and even animal societies. In essence, understanding the underlying games and playing along can lead to more effective communication and problem-solving.

    • Modeling Complexity: A Symphony of Shifting LevelsRecognize the complexity and nuance of all involved parties in disagreements, rather than oversimplifying the situation.

      The world is complex and multifaceted, much like a symphony with multiple shifting levels. This complexity can be modeled in various ways, such as a rectangle or a cube, but each model is a simplification with its own limitations. It's essential to recognize that disagreements are not just about opinions but can also be about the facts themselves. Naomi Klein's movie about Argentine factory workers is an example of oversimplifying a complex situation by reducing the factory owner to a one-dimensional villain. Understanding the full story requires acknowledging the complexity and nuance of all involved parties.

    • Our perception of reality is influenced by our priorities, experiences, and language.Our perceptions of reality are shaped by our experiences, biases, and the information we choose to focus on. It's important to consider multiple perspectives and avoid oversimplifying complex issues.

      Our perception of reality is a complex process that involves filtering and compressing information to make it understandable. This process can be influenced by our priorities, experiences, and the language we use. The example given was the interpretation of a video of a gorilla throwing objects, where some people focused on the number of objects thrown while missing the larger context of the gorilla's behavior. Similarly, fundamentalists and scientists can be biased in their interpretation of complex issues like religion and science. Fundamentalists may view religious stories as literal truths, while scientists may dismiss them as false. However, both perspectives are limited by their respective worldviews and assumptions about the nature of truth. It's important to recognize that truth can serve different purposes and that our perceptions and interpretations are shaped by our experiences and biases.

    • The Tension Between Science and Older Stories or BeliefsBoth science and older stories or beliefs offer valuable perspectives on the world, but they can create tension due to their apparent contradiction. Recognizing the need for multiple ways of understanding can help resolve this tension.

      The scientific method and older stories or beliefs about the nature of reality have historically appeared to be in contradiction, but both hold significant value and power in our society. The scientific method, which emerged in its articulated form within the last 500 years, is based on empirical observation and the pursuit of disprovable theories. Older stories or beliefs, on the other hand, often lacked this empirical foundation and were more closely tied to cultural and spiritual values. Despite their apparent contradiction, both ways of looking at the world are deeply ingrained in our society. People may hold onto older stories or beliefs while still relying on scientific facts in their daily lives. This can create a tension or conflict. One way to approach this issue is to recognize that we may need multiple ways of understanding the world, rather than relying on just one. For example, we might use the scientific method to understand the physical world, while turning to older stories or beliefs for guidance on how to live our lives. It's important to note that this is just one way of thinking about the relationship between science and older stories or beliefs. There are many other perspectives and approaches to this question, and the relationship between these two ways of understanding the world is a complex and ongoing area of debate.

    • The role of values and morals in understanding human behaviorScience provides insights into the world, but values and morals are essential for human interaction and understanding proper behavior. Shakespeare's works and games illustrate the importance of shared values in peaceful coexistence.

      While science provides valuable insights into the world around us, it does not offer a complete framework for understanding human values and behavior. Values and morals are essential for navigating the world and interacting with others. Shakespeare's plays, stories, and shared values are compelling to everyone because they help us understand how to live properly and improperly. The relationship between stories and games, as Piaget discussed, highlights the importance of shared values in organizing behavior and enabling us to coexist peacefully. Ultimately, science and art, each with its unique methods, offer complementary perspectives on the world and our place in it.

    • The belief in investigating the unknown drives our learning and behaviorBelief in the unknown fuels learning and behavior, but managing life's complexity requires addressing external factors too.

      Our motivation for learning and seeking knowledge, much like the hero's journey, stems from a belief in the worthiness of investigating the unknown. This belief helps us function effectively in society and provides a framework for organizing our behavior, whether consciously or unconsciously. However, the complexity of modern life can often become overwhelming, leading to mental health issues or a desire for simplicity through suicide. To cope with this complexity, we cannot solely rely on conceptual understanding or belief systems, but must also address the external factors contributing to our struggles. Like the walls around a medieval city, boundaries and structures can provide a sense of security and help us manage the complexity of our lives.

    • Temperament and Political Beliefs: Openness and ConscientiousnessPeople's political beliefs are influenced by their temperament, specifically openness and conscientiousness. Open people enjoy breaking boundaries and value curiosity, while conscientious people prefer order and organization. The fundamental political difference lies in how many walls people want around their stuff.

      People have different temperaments that influence their political beliefs, specifically in the areas of conscientiousness and openness. Open people, who are high in openness and low in conscientiousness, enjoy breaking boundaries and living on the periphery, while those who are high in conscientiousness and low in openness prefer order and structure. These traits are not highly correlated but often co-occur along the political axis. The reason for this may be that open people, who are often intelligent and curious, like to think outside the box, while conscientious people value order and organization. Additionally, people build walls, both physical and metaphorical, to simplify the world and control the information flow. The fundamental political difference between people lies in how many walls they want around their stuff, with liberals advocating for fewer walls and conservatives for more. Ultimately, it's important to recognize that both perspectives are valid and that the world is complex, with advantages and disadvantages to both mingling and separating.

    • Exploring Discrimination and Segregation in Human BehaviorDiscrimination and segregation are inherent aspects of human behavior, serving to simplify and provide safety in our complex world, despite being potentially discriminatory.

      Discrimination, including in choosing sexual partners, is a fundamental aspect of human behavior. While it may be discriminatory, it is something that everyone engages in and has agreed to accept as fair. This concept is explored in Huxley's "Brave New World," where refusing to sleep with someone was considered a social faux pas. Our living spaces and social interactions are also segregated and bounded by rules and roles, allowing for a sense of safety and exploration. Even in large groups, such as political conventions, people segregate themselves into microgroups and agree to play by certain rules to maintain order and peacefully elect leaders. Overall, discrimination and segregation are complex aspects of human behavior that have historical justifications and serve to simplify and provide safety in our complex world.

    • Understanding Our Perceptions and LimitationsRecognizing the impact of social structures, physical limitations, and our distributed brain on our perceptions and understanding of the world can lead to a deeper appreciation of complexity.

      Our perspectives and understanding of the world are shaped by various factors, including social structures and our physical limitations. The stability of societies depends on successful power transitions, and our bodies filter out information to prevent overwhelming us. Our brains are not just located in our heads but are distributed throughout our bodies, and the mind-body dichotomy can lead to a false separation of thought from emotion and subjectivity. The limitations of our senses and nervous system have evolved to help us focus on what's relevant to us, but these filters can also limit our understanding of the world. Ultimately, recognizing these limitations and the interconnectedness of our mind, body, and society can help us appreciate the complexity of existence.

    • The brain goes beyond just objective representation, it's about conceptualization and proper actions for survivalThe brain's prefrontal cortex enables abstract thought and planning through the separation of thinking from action.

      The function of the brain and nervous system goes beyond just objective representation of the world. Instead, it's about conceptualization and practice of proper actions for survival and continuation of life. The brain, specifically the prefrontal cortex, is responsible for complex, sophisticated, voluntary thought, which allows us to plan and generate hypothetical scenarios without immediately acting on them. This separation of thinking from action enables abstract thought and planning, which explains why there is no correlation between conscientiousness and intelligence. The brain is divided into specialized areas, such as sensory cortex, motor cortex, and prefrontal cortex, each with distinct functions. The prefrontal cortex, in particular, deals with planning and organization of motor actions, making it the home of complex, sophisticated thought. The ability to abstract and separate thinking from action is crucial for advanced thought processes.

    • Mining past experiences for useful informationOur brains learn from past experiences to adapt and improve actions, especially in traumatic situations, using various brain regions like the hippocampus.

      Memory and thinking serve a pragmatic function in our lives. We don't remember every detail of our experiences, but rather mine them for useful information to help us navigate the future. Our brains are wired to learn from our past to improve our actions and minimize the probability of negative experiences. This process is especially important when dealing with traumatic experiences, where a situational analysis can help us understand the complex interplay of factors involved. The brain itself is made up of various subdivisions, each with its unique functions, such as the hippocampus, which compares our mental models of the world to help us adapt and learn.

    • The Hypothalamus: A Complex Brain RegionThe hypothalamus, a small yet crucial part of the brain, controls essential functions like eating, drinking, body temperature, and defensive aggression. Its complexity and importance are often overlooked, but exploring it can deepen our appreciation for life's intricacies.

      Our brains, specifically the hypothalamus, play a crucial role in how we perceive and interact with the world around us. This tiny part of the brain, though small compared to the rest, is responsible for major psychological frames and essential functions like eating, drinking, regulating body temperature, and defensive aggression. Even a decorticated cat, with no cortex but its hypothalamus, can function reasonably well. The hypothalamus is hyper curious, reminding us that there's more to things we've learned to ignore. Artists, like Van Gogh, can bring our attention back to these wonders. The hypothalamus is complex, made up of numerous parts, and it's fascinating to explore the molecular world inside us, as seen in David Goodsell's accurate molecular illustrations. DNA, for instance, is a complex structure made up of two strands that run in opposite directions, which presents challenges for living cells during DNA copying. By understanding the intricacies of our brain and the world within us, we gain a deeper appreciation for the complexity of life.

    • Understanding the intricacies of DNA replication and cell divisionDuring cell division, chromosomes align and are separated using a complex system of proteins, ensuring the accuracy and integrity of genetic material

      Our bodies contain intricate molecular machines that accurately replicate DNA, using complex processes to ensure the creation of identical copies. The DNA, which is incredibly long and thin, is wrapped around protective proteins and organized into chromosomes. During cell division, these chromosomes align, and the cell signals when it's ready to split by using a complex system of proteins, known as the mitotic spindle, which interacts with the chromosomes and microtubules to ensure proper separation. This system is essential for maintaining the integrity of our genetic material during cell division. Additionally, ongoing research continues to uncover new insights into the intricacies of these molecular processes.

    • The complex process of scientific discovery and the human body's interconnected systemsScientific discovery involves complex processes leading to disease eradication, suffering reduction, and poverty alleviation. Human body's systems, like hypothalamus, function beyond our understanding, with motivational systems aiding survival as interconnected sub-personalities.

      The work of scientific discovery, whether it be in the field of medicine or molecular biology, is a complex and intricate process that leads to significant advancements in eradicating disease, reducing suffering, and lifting people out of poverty. The human body, specifically the hypothalamus, is made up of various interconnected subsystems, which are responsible for motivations and emotions, and are not as distinct as they may seem. These subsystems, from the hypothalamus down to the molecular level, function in a way that is beyond our current understanding, often referred to as "clockwork," but ultimately working together to ensure our survival and wellbeing. The motivational systems that aid our survival, such as hunger and thirst, are already in place at birth, and can be thought of as sub-personalities with specific goals and action patterns. Skinner's rats, while a simple model, highlight the importance of reward and motivation in driving behavior. Overall, the process of scientific discovery and the functioning of the human body are complex and interconnected, and require a nuanced understanding to fully appreciate.

    • Understanding Motivation: Beyond Goals and EmotionsMotivation is a complex process shaped by biology, personality, and external factors. The hypothalamus produces micro goals and regulates basic motivations, while emotions guide actions within this framework.

      Motivation goes beyond setting goals and instead creates a framework of interpretation for emotions and actions. This framework is shaped by various factors such as biological needs, personality, and external obstacles. The hypothalamus plays a crucial role in this process by producing micro goals and regulating basic motivations. Emotions, in turn, emerge within this motivated framework and guide forward, stopping, or reversing actions. Understanding motivation in this holistic way highlights its deep connection to our body and the environment.

    • The hypothalamus as the source of three fundamental value systems: self-maintenance, defense, and reproduction.The hypothalamus, a crucial survival center, drives our basic motivations for self-maintenance, defense, and reproduction, but conflicts between these systems require higher brain functions to manage, resulting in a unique personality.

      Our brains have a fundamental structure, specifically the hypothalamus, which drives our basic motivations for self-maintenance (hunger, thirst, pain), defense (anger, aggression, thermal regulation, panic and escape), and reproduction (affiliation, care, sexual desire, exploration). These motivations can conflict and require higher brain functions to manage. The hypothalamus, which is essential for survival, can be thought of as the three fundamental value systems. However, these systems can conflict, and the rest of the brain is necessary to solve these conflicts and regulate these motivations over time and in various contexts. This process results in the development of a personality that is integrated with others.

    • Understanding routines and goals for better motivationRoutines offer stability and predictability, while proper goals align with long-term needs for fulfilling lives

      Establishing routines and setting proper goals are crucial for integrating and managing our various motivational systems, both physiologically and conceptually. Routines provide stability and predictability, allowing us to focus on relevant tasks and freeing us from arbitrary domination by our underlying motivational systems. Proper goals, on the other hand, determine what we see and experience in the world. If our lives are miserable, it may be worth questioning whether our goals are aligned with what is truly beneficial for us. Ultimately, our goals should be long-term, socially negotiated solutions to the problems that arise from our biological needs. By understanding this interplay between our physiological states, goals, and actions, we can better navigate the complexities of our motivational systems and live more fulfilling lives.

    • Frames of Reference Shape Our Perception of the WorldUnderstanding frames helps us filter out irrelevant information and focus on what's important for our goals and motivations. Our bodies implement abstract solutions through action patterns, and desires drive our behavior. Information is efficiently exchanged through stories, and our perception is limited to what's necessary for us to move forward.

      Our perception of the world is shaped by the frames of reference we choose, which help us filter out irrelevant information and focus on what's important for our goals and motivations. The mind-body problem can be understood as the relationship between abstract solutions and their physical manifestations. Our bodies implement abstract solutions through action patterns, which we have some control over, but not complete conscious awareness. Desires are a combination of goals, emotions, and action patterns, and they drive our behavior. The exchange of information through stories allows us to learn from each other efficiently. Our perception of the world is restricted to the bare minimum necessary for us to move forward in our lives. The first step in understanding how the world lays itself out is recognizing that frames make most things irrelevant, which is essential for navigating the overwhelming amount of information available to us.

    • Our perception of the world is based on relevance, not objectsWhen unexpected obstacles arise, everything we've made irrelevant becomes relevant again, leading to discomfort and confusion. Consider Jordan Peterson's books for deeper exploration into this topic.

      Our perception of the world is not based on objects, but rather on what is relevant to us. We constantly strive to make most of the world irrelevant to simplify our lives. However, when unexpected obstacles arise, everything we've agreed to make irrelevant becomes relevant again, leading to discomfort and confusion. This concept is worth considering as we build up a case for analyzing the structures within which we organize our perceptions. If you're interested in exploring this topic further, consider reading Jordan Peterson's books, such as "Maps of Meaning," "The Architecture of Belief," or his newer bestseller, "12 Rules for Life and Antidote to Chaos." These works delve deeper into the topics covered in this podcast. For more information, visit jordanbpeterson.com.

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    Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with author and activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali. They discuss the subversion of the West, how the pursuit of truth has become the ownership of it, the corruptive nature of the oppressor/oppressed power narrative, the importance of Christian ideals, and why a push for restoration is more necessary than ever before.

     

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a Fellow at the Hoover Institute at Stanford University, a Senior Fellow with the Future of Diplomacy Project at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at The Harvard Kennedy School, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and the bestselling author of “Infidel” (2007) and “Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now” (2015). Born in Mogadishu, Somalia, Hirsi Ali strove to live as a devout Muslim during her early life, but in 1992, fled to the Netherlands to escape a forced marriage. She became a citizen and went on to study at the University of Leiden. From 2003 to 2006, Hirsi Ali served as an elected member of the Dutch parliament and then moved to the U.S., where she founded the AHA Foundation to protect and defend the rights of women from harmful traditional practices. In 2024, Hirsi Ali founded Restorationbulletin.com, where she explores the forces of subversion plaguing Western society.

     

     

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    Restoration Bulletin https://www.restorationbulletin.com/

    Sugar Cravings, Red Meat, and Your Health | Max Lugavere

    Sugar Cravings, Red Meat, and Your Health | Max Lugavere

    Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down in-person with filmmaker and science author Max Lugavere. They discuss his upcoming film, “Little Empty Boxes,” that details his mother’s progression through dementia, which set Max on his life’s journey to understand and communicate the science behind health and nutrition. Dr. Peterson and Lugavere also discuss obesity, toxic exposure, hypertension, and elimination diets.

     

    Max Lugavere is a health and science journalist, filmmaker, and bestselling author. He is the author of the Genius trilogy of books, including the New York Times bestseller “Genius Foods” and the Wall Street Journal bestseller “Genius Kitchen.” He hosts The Genius Life podcast, one of the top health and wellness podcasts in the U.S. His appearances on The Today Show, The Rachael Ray Show, The Doctors, and The Joe Rogan Experience have made him a respected and well-known voice in the field. His debut film Little Empty Boxes, a project 10 years in the making and the first film to document the science of dementia prevention, is available for pre-order now at LittleEmptyBoxes.com.

     

    This episode was recorded on June 8th, 2024

     

     

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    Pre-Order “Little Empty Boxes” (Film)  http://littleemptyboxes.com

     

    On X http://x.com/maxlugavere

     

    On Instagram http://instagram.com/maxlugavere

     

    The Genius Life on YouTube (podcast) http://youtube.com/maxlugavere

     

    The Genius Life on Spotify (podcast) https://open.spotify.com/show/5WkdjiVLo1kp3alPfFZItS?si=e0189092486a4653

    455. The Devil and Karl Marx | Dr. Paul Kengor

    455. The Devil and Karl Marx | Dr. Paul Kengor

    Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down in-person with author, historian, and professor of political science, Dr. Paul Kengor. They discuss the lifestyle, writings, and religious ideations of Karl Marx, how communist dogma evolved through modern day, and why equal outcome is wrong on the level of malevolence.

     

    Paul Kengor, Ph.D., is a professor of political science at Grove City College in Grove City, Pennsylvania, and editor of The American Spectator. He’s a New York Times bestselling author of more than 20 books, including “The Devil and Karl Marx” and “The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism,” which is the basis of the new movie “Reagan,” starring Dennis Quaid. Kengor is a renowned historian of the Cold War, communism, and Reagan presidency.

     

    This episode was recorded on June 7th, 2024

     

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    The Devil and Karl Marx: Communism’s Long March of Death, Deception, and Infiltration (Book) https://www.amazon.com/Devil-Karl-Marx-Communisms-Infiltration/dp/1505114446

     

    The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism (Book) https://www.amazon.com/Crusader-Ronald-Reagan-Fall-Communism/dp/0061189243

    God and Ronald Reagan: A Spiritual Life (Book) https://www.amazon.com/God-Ronald-Reagan-Spiritual-Life/dp/006057142X 

    454. Urban Warfare, Civilian Casualty, & Human Shields | John Spencer

    454. Urban Warfare, Civilian Casualty, & Human Shields | John Spencer

    Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with urban warfare expert and scholar John Spencer. They discuss the ongoing war in Israel, the ideology of Hamas, their capture of western universities, the complexity of the tunnel system beneath Gaza, the underlying roots of anti-Semitism, and the reality of war in the mess of politics.

     

    John Spencer is an award-winning scholar, professor, author, combat veteran, national security and military analyst, and internationally recognized expert and advisor on urban warfare, military strategy, tactics, and other related topics. Considered one of the world’s leading experts on urban warfare, he served as an advisor to the top four-star general and other senior leaders in the U.S. Army as part of strategic research groups from the Pentagon to the United States Military Academy.

     

    This episode was recorded on June 4th, 2024

     

    Dr. Peterson's extensive catalog is available now on DailyWire+: https://bit.ly/3KrWbS8

     

    ALL LINKS: https://linktr.ee/drjordanbpeterson

     

     

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    Website https://www.johnspenceronline.com/

     

    Understanding Urban Warfare (Book) https://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Urban-Warfare-Liam-Collins/dp/1912440350

     

    The Mini-Manual for the Urban Defender (Online guidebook) https://www.johnspenceronline.com/mini-manual-urbandefender

     

    Urban Warfare Project (Podcast) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/urban-warfare-project/id1490714950 

    453. Potential Solutions to Fix Mass Indoctrination | Eric Kaufmann

    453. Potential Solutions to Fix Mass Indoctrination | Eric Kaufmann

    Dr. Jordan Peterson sits down with author and professor of politics Eric Kaufmann. They discuss where the instinctive feminine ethos goes wrong, when beliefs solidify in cognitive development, how the loss of cultural power comes about, and how to potentially fix the corruption of education.

     

    Eric Peter Kaufmann is a Canadian author and professor of politics from the University of Buckingham. He was appointed in October 2023 following his resignation from his post at Birkbeck, University of London, after two decades of service, citing political differences. He is a specialist on Orangeism in Northern Ireland, nationalism, and political and religious demography.

     

     

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    “The Third Awokening” (Book) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D459XT8N/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1IRUVF15JQLKQ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.hX4h5NrOyN1lCkRuKp4UM-I2wmwiOo7jUKUzhijCGUqplpOicK_sf92FtJ-RfvQCkLb-J3v7R1LQttqtXd5p5aWQAk85EIH09e3OkVAOcMs_NnMSC3RjN7eb80EPEy9BQ68ymHIEb7YchloiwzoiKXIrEl-vfbGxutr5w4AInTpEZKg8-dJcRmaR_aptULkpp81Ls-j0vvPn2q_MWHEQTjxAoJ5MPzlk5VvsAe_R7Wo.dZIyu_PWY2izuf3jBSYhx-wobgzxqiUuNJYOKjrbgmM&dib_tag=se&keywords=Eric+kaufmann&qid=1715744487&sprefix=eric+kaufmann%2Caps%2C84&sr=8-3

     

    Entitled “Taboo” in outside of the U.S. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Taboo-Making-Produced-Cultural-Revolution-ebook/dp/B0CKFD8Z16

     

    University of Buckingham course - Woke: the Origins, Dynamics and Implications of an Elite Ideology https://www.buckingham.ac.uk/courses/occasional/woke/?_gl=1*5vuahc*_up*MQ..*_ga*MTMzNzMwNDE3Ny4xNzE2ODQ3MjIy*_ga_PWEL0GXNN9*MTcxNjg0NzIyMi4xLjAuMTcxNjg0NzIyMi4wLjAuMA..

     

    Centre for Heterodox Social Science https://www.heterodoxcentre.com/

     

    Website www.sneps.net

     

    On Twitter https://twitter.com/epkaufm?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor  

    452. The Loudest Woman in Comedy | Roseanne Barr

    452. The Loudest Woman in Comedy | Roseanne Barr

    Dr. Jordan Peterson sits down with actor, standup comedian, and podcaster Roseanne Barr. They discuss her recent voice acting role on the new show Mr. Birchum, how humor shines a light on and disperses darkness, the rarity and hardships of being a female comic, her overnight success in Hollywood, and what really matters in living a good (and humorous) life.

     

    Roseanne Barr is an American podcaster, writer, producer, actor, and standup comic. She was awarded both an Emmy and a Golden Globe for her hit show “Roseanne” which ran for nine seasons. She has written two books, ran for president once, and recently taken up podcasting with her son, as well as a voice acting role in the DW+ show Mr. Birchum.

     

     

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    The Roseanne Barr Podcast on Rumble https://rumble.com/c/roseannebarr 

     

    The Roseanne Barr Podcast on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@roseannebarr 

    The Sins of Adam and the True Nature of Eve

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