Podcast Summary
Embracing Unexpected Paths: Rob Zombie's Journey in Filmmaking: Overcoming insecurities and embracing unexpected opportunities can lead to personal growth and success in pursuing one's passions.
Rob Zombie's leap into horror films was driven by his lifelong passion for filmmaking. Despite initially feeling that pursuing a career in movies was unrealistic, Rob Zombie found an opportunity to direct music videos for his band, which eventually became his film school. He emphasizes the importance of embracing unexpected career paths and taking advantage of opportunities that come along. Additionally, Rob Zombie shares his experience of feeling like an imposter and struggling with insecurity throughout his life. However, he acknowledges that many successful individuals share these feelings and that overcoming insecurities is crucial for personal growth. This conversation highlights the significance of resilience, perseverance, and the transformative power of pursuing one's passions.
Overcoming Social Anxiety: Insights from Rob Zombie and Joe Rogan: Embrace your unique strengths, navigate personal obstacles, and find comfort in pursuing your passions, even if they seem ironic at first.
Many entertainers, like Rob Zombie, have experienced social anxiety in their youth. Despite their initial fears and discomfort in social situations, they have found ways to overcome these challenges and pursue successful careers in front of large audiences. Both Joe Rogan and Rob Zombie share personal anecdotes of their struggles with social anxiety, highlighting the irony of their professions. They discuss how they have learned to manage their anxiety and find comfort in performing in front of large crowds, as opposed to intimate settings. This conversation emphasizes the importance of embracing one's unique strengths and finding ways to navigate and overcome personal obstacles.
The Unconventional Path to Success: Success can come from taking unconventional paths, having self-belief, and staying true to oneself. Don't be afraid to make your own rules and trust your instincts.
Success doesn't always follow a conventional path. Rob Zombie shares his experiences of not following directions as a child and making up his own rules. Despite feeling like a loser at one point and getting kicked out of school, things eventually worked out for him. He turned down record deals with big companies because he didn't think they were good enough, and eventually signed with Geffen Records. Rob admits that his journey was a mix of balls and stupidity, but it all worked out in the end. This conversation teaches us that sometimes taking unconventional paths, having self-belief, and staying true to oneself can lead to surprising and successful outcomes.
The Evolution of Television Viewing Habits: Embracing diverse influences and genres fosters creativity and originality, enabling unique combinations and new expressions of art.
The experience of watching television has changed drastically over time. In the past, people relied on TV guides and looked forward to specific shows, creating a sense of anticipation and excitement. The availability of different genres and bands on radio stations also exposed individuals to new and unexpected music. However, with the advent of streaming services and personalized algorithms, people now tend to stay within their comfort zones and only consume content similar to their preferences. This lack of exposure to diverse influences can limit creativity and originality. The conversation also highlights the importance of being open to different genres and influences, as it can lead to unique combinations and new forms of expression.
Embracing Unexpected Opportunities: Rob Zombie's Journey to Success: Success can be achieved by being open to unexpected opportunities, trusting one's instincts, and taking risks, as showcased by Rob Zombie's story.
Success can sometimes come unexpectedly, even without careful preparation or a clear plan. Rob Zombie's story is an example of how being vague with people, looking cool, and not caring too much about the outcome can actually lead to opportunities and accomplishments. Despite being dumped by Universal Studios after his first movie project, Rob Zombie eventually found himself back at the same place, with his work being celebrated in theme park attractions. His naivety and willingness to take risks allowed him to make a movie with Universal Studios, even with just a title and a half-baked idea. This story shows that sometimes, success can come from being open to unexpected opportunities and trusting in one's own instincts.
Rob Zombie: The Outsider's Advocate: Rob Zombie's attraction to ultra violent movies comes from his identification with outsiders, resonating with those who feel like outcasts. He embraces a "go fuck yourself" attitude and appreciates unique perspectives in smaller movies.
Rob Zombie's attraction to ultra violent, outcast, and murderous movies stems from his identification with the outsider mentality. As a child, he didn't feel like he fit in and couldn't understand societal norms. He related to the monsters in monster movies who were misunderstood and persecuted. This fascination with the outsider continued as he discovered punk rock and realized there was an entire form of music that embraced a "go fuck yourself" attitude. His movies and music resonated with people who also felt like outcasts, hence the fanatical support. Rob Zombie acknowledges that critics can be harsh, but he doesn't let their opinions bother him anymore. Ultimately, his work is subjective and will resonate differently with different individuals. He appreciates smaller movies that offer a unique and unconventional perspective.
A Shared Appreciation for Unique and Offbeat Films: Joe Rogan and Rob Zombie express their love for unique, well-made comedies and their disappointment when franchise sequels lose the essence of the original. They both enjoy exploring and discovering new films.
Both Joe Rogan and Rob Zombie share a deep appreciation for unique and offbeat films, particularly in the comedy and horror genres. They discuss movies like "Napoleon Dynamite" and "Stepbrothers" that left a lasting impression on them. They express their disappointment when franchise sequels are made too late, losing the essence of the original. They highlight the importance of well-made comedies and how rare they are. Rob Zombie reminisces about his love for double-feature screenings in his youth, driving for hours to see movies that may never be shown again. Both individuals have a passion for exploring and discovering new films, constantly adding to their extensive collections.
The passion for physical movie collections and the contrasting experiences in New York City.: Rob Zombie's love for physical copies of movies and the excitement of discovering obscure films through magazines, alongside reflections on New York City's transformation.
Rob Zombie is passionate about collecting movies and prefers physical copies over digital formats. He has built a room dedicated to his movie library because he wants to own everything. While digital platforms like iTunes offer convenience, they often lack the obscure and unique movies that Rob Zombie prefers. He values the ability to physically own and watch these movies, even if it means resorting to ordering made-to-order DVDs from Amazon. Joe Rogan shares his own fascination with horror movies and recalls the excitement of discovering ultra gory slasher films through magazines like Fangoria. Both discuss their experiences in New York City, reflecting on its transformation and the contrasting excitement and safety concerns they experienced during their visits.
Rob Zombie's Desensitization to Violence: A Life Shaped by Traumatic Encounters: Rob Zombie's early exposure to extreme acts of violence has shaped his perspective and artistic expression, leading to a sense of detachment and normalization of violence in his work.
Rob Zombie has witnessed a significant amount of violence throughout his life, which has desensitized him to it. From witnessing the beating and murder of a graffiti artist at the hands of the police to experiencing a chaotic carnival riot as a child, Rob has been exposed to extreme acts of violence from a young age. This exposure has shaped his perspective and influenced his attraction to dark and gritty themes in his work. Despite the traumas he has witnessed, Rob reflects on these experiences with a sense of detachment, suggesting that he has become jaded and normalized to the violence. These early encounters with violence have had a profound impact on his worldview and artistic expression.
Exploring Rob Zombie's Fascination with the Macabre and Film History: Exposure to disturbing experiences can desensitize individuals and shape their sense of humor, while also highlighting the importance of preserving film history and appreciation for the dark and unusual.
Rob Zombie has had a fascination with the macabre and the strange since he was young. He recounts witnessing disturbing events, like a bloody naked man running down the street, without feeling deeply bothered by them. Joe Rogan suggests that exposure to such experiences can desensitize people, leading them to develop an odd sense of humor. They also discuss their shared love for old movies, specifically silent films and those featuring iconic actors like Lon Chaney. Rob Zombie used to collect vintage movie posters, particularly those related to Lon Chaney. However, he eventually realized that he was spending too much money on his collection. Overall, this conversation emphasizes Rob Zombie's lifelong interest in the dark and unusual, as well as his appreciation for the history of film.
The Impact of Classic Horror Movies: Classic horror movies like King Kong, Frankenstein, and Dracula were able to terrify and captivate audiences through groundbreaking special effects, innovative storytelling, and legendary performances. Their historical significance and influence on the genre are still felt today.
The pioneers of horror movies, such as King Kong, Frankenstein, and Dracula, were able to instill fear and captivate audiences in a way that might not be as easily achieved today. The conversation between Rob Zombie and Joe Rogan highlights the impact these classic movies had on people when they were first released. The use of groundbreaking special effects, impressive makeup, and innovative storytelling techniques made these films truly terrifying and awe-inspiring for viewers at that time. This conversation also emphasizes the unique performances of actors like Boris Karloff and Bela Lugosi, who brought these iconic characters to life and became legends in the genre. Looking back at these early horror films allows us to appreciate their historical significance and the influence they continue to have on the horror genre today.
The Impact of Special Effects and Visual Aesthetics in Movies: Movies like Star Wars and 2001: A Space Odyssey pushed boundaries in visuals and storytelling, showcasing the importance of imagination and innovation in the film industry.
Both Joe Rogan and Rob Zombie have a deep appreciation for the artistry and creativity behind movies, especially when it comes to special effects and visual aesthetics. They discuss their admiration for makeup artist Rick Baker and the influence of iconic films like Star Wars and 2001: A Space Odyssey. They highlight how these movies pushed the boundaries of what was possible in terms of visuals and storytelling, and how they have stood the test of time. Additionally, they acknowledge the attention to detail and the immense effort that goes into creating even the smallest aspects of a film. This conversation emphasizes the importance of imagination and innovation in the movie-making industry.
The Negative Impact of Excessive CGI in Movies: Practical effects and strong storytelling are essential for creating authentic and immersive film experiences, while the value of a film should not be solely determined by initial reviews.
The use of CGI in movies has become excessive and often takes away from the realism of the film. Rob Zombie and Joe Rogan discuss how CGI has become a crutch, causing actors to struggle with their performances and audiences to have a subconscious awareness that it is all fake. They emphasize the power of practical effects, such as real fire and three-dimensional objects, in creating a sense of authenticity and fear. Additionally, they highlight the importance of well-developed characters and strong storytelling, as seen in Sigourney Weaver's portrayal in Alien. They also point out that reviews should not dictate the success or value of a film, as opinions can change over time.
The challenges of interference in the film industry: Balancing creative control and external input is crucial for allowing filmmakers to execute their vision without compromising artistic integrity and coherence.
The film industry is often plagued by interference and meddling from executives, leading to creative challenges and compromised artistic vision. Both Joe Rogan and Rob Zombie share their experiences with interference in their respective projects, highlighting the frustrations that can arise when executives try to impose their own ideas on filmmakers. This meddling can result in a lack of coherence, inconsistency, and an overall negative impact on the final product. While some executives may have valid insights, it is crucial for them to understand the importance of allowing creative professionals to execute their vision without excessive interference. The conversation serves as a cautionary tale about the challenges faced by filmmakers and the need for a balance between creative control and external input.
Pushing the boundaries of art: Exploring emotions and scenarios through movies.: Artistic freedom allows movies to portray diverse experiences and emotions, challenging societal norms and leaving a lasting impact on culture.
Art, particularly in the form of movies, should not be limited by real-life rules and constraints. Rob Zombie argues that violence depicted in movies is not meant to glorify or promote it in real life, but rather to explore different scenarios and emotions. He believes that art should be allowed to go anywhere and shock the audience if necessary. Joe Rogan agrees, emphasizing the need to accurately depict real-life scenarios, even if they involve racists, murderers, and psychopaths. They also discuss how certain movies, like Jaws, were considered shocking at the time but are now seen as iconic and a part of our culture. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of artistic freedom and the ability of movies to depict a wide range of experiences and emotions.
The physicality and entertainment value of fighting in hockey: Despite its family-friendly image, hockey embraces the physicality and danger of fighting, making it a unique and entertaining sport.
Hockey is a unique and tough sport where fighting is allowed. Rob Zombie expresses his admiration for hockey players, describing them as the toughest and comparing them to football players on skates. Joe Rogan finds it interesting that fighting is written into the rules of hockey, and they both discuss the potential for fights in other sports like basketball. They also touch upon the acceptance of MMA and the brutality involved. Despite the intense physicality of hockey, the conversation highlights the paradox of the sport being advertised as a family-friendly activity. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the physicality, danger, and entertainment value that fighting brings to hockey.
The Challenges of Bringing Creative Ideas to Life: Not all creative ideas can be realized, no matter how passionate the creators are, as they may face obstacles and frustrations in the process.
Sometimes even with great ideas and passion, projects don't always come to fruition. Rob Zombie discussed two potential film projects that he had worked on for years but were unable to be made. One was a movie about the last few years of Groucho Marx's life, a dark story of abuse and isolation, and the other was about the rediscovery of a lost Marx Brothers film. Despite their interesting concepts, both projects faced various obstacles and were ultimately unable to move forward. This conversation highlights the challenges and frustrations that can arise in the creative process, reminding us that not all ideas can become a reality, no matter how enthusiastic the creators may be.
Rob Zombie: Making films he loves, not blockbuster hits: Rob Zombie prioritizes artistic integrity over commercial success and creates movies that reflect his unique style and interests.
Rob Zombie is focused on making films that he truly loves, rather than trying to become a blockbuster filmmaker. He expresses his dissatisfaction with the idea of making movies by committee and watering down his original vision. Instead, he wants to create films that he can be proud of and that reflect his unique style and interests. Joe Rogan acknowledges the prominence of Rob Zombie's horror films, particularly in the genre of homicidal maniac movies. Rob Zombie attributes his love for white trash culture and his Carney background as influences on his filmmaking. Ultimately, Rob Zombie's goal is to make movies that he loves, regardless of their commercial success.
The allure and danger of extreme stunts and activities: Engaging in dangerous and thrilling activities can bring fame and admiration, but it also comes with significant risks and potential consequences.
Being known for doing something dangerous and thrilling can bring fame and admiration, but it also comes with great risks and potential consequences. The discussion highlights the example of Evel Knievel, who consistently performed daring motorcycle jumps and became one of the most famous people in America. However, the conversation also mentions the dangers and limitations of such stunts, as well as the changing landscape of extreme sports where feats that were once impressive are now commonplace. The conversation further explores the mindset and motivations of individuals like Alex Honnold, who engage in highly risky activities like free solo climbing. Ultimately, the conversation underscores the gripping appeal of such feats while also acknowledging the inherent dangers involved.
Embracing Extreme Experiences and Pushing Boundaries: A Conversation Between Joe Rogan and Rob Zombie: The allure of intense and extraordinary moments in various aspects of life, from pushing boundaries to witnessing remarkable achievements, is captivating and worth embracing with caution.
Both Joe Rogan and Rob Zombie have a fascination with intense and extreme experiences, whether it's trying to freak people out or embracing chaotic situations. They both appreciate individuals who push the boundaries and live life on the edge, like Steve-O and Alex Honel. However, they also acknowledge the need to exercise caution and recognize the potential dangers involved. Rob Zombie mentions his struggle to stay ahead of the curve in terms of movie ideas, while Joe Rogan reflects on his journey from initially not being a hockey fan to witnessing remarkable athletes like Bobby Orr. Ultimately, this conversation highlights the allure of extraordinary and unforgettable moments in different realms of life.
Extraordinary Talent and Genuine Nature: The Uniqueness of Individuals Who Excel in Their Fields: Meeting Exceptional Individuals Can Be Humbling and Inspiring, Making Us Reflect on Our Own Abilities and Insecurities.
Some individuals possess extraordinary talent and ability that sets them apart from others in their field. Bobby Orr, an exceptional hockey player, was renowned not only for his skill but also for his kind and genuine nature. Joe Rogan, who was in awe of Orr's talent and character, reflects on the admiration and insecurities he felt as a young person. The conversation highlights the uniqueness of individuals who excel in their respective domains, whether it be in sports, music, art, or any other field. It also emphasizes the humbling effect of encountering such exceptional individuals and recognizing their innate capabilities.
The Importance of Facing Adversity and Developing Resilience: Overcoming challenges and learning from failures can lead to personal growth and success, emphasizing the importance of resilience, perseverance, and not relying solely on natural talent.
There is value in facing adversity and not always relying on natural talent. Joe Rogan and Rob Zombie discuss how being bullied or facing criticism can push individuals to develop resilience and drive. They highlight the importance of not being too easily discouraged or seeking constant validation. They also note that truly exceptional individuals often downplay their talents and achievements, while those who lack skill or substance tend to boast about themselves. The conversation emphasizes the need to learn from failures and rejection, as these experiences can ultimately lead to personal growth and success. It is a reminder that hard work and perseverance are often more valuable than raw talent alone.
Learning from Others' Mistakes: A Rare but Possible Phenomenon: Despite the rarity, there are individuals who possess the intelligence to learn from others' mistakes, emphasizing the value of self-reflection, accepting criticism, and receptiveness to feedback for personal growth.
Learning from other people's mistakes is rare, but possible. Rob Zombie argues that few individuals truly learn from the experiences and mistakes of others, highlighting that even in the entertainment industry, people tend to repeat the errors made by their peers. However, Joe Rogan counters this notion by suggesting that although uncommon, there are still individuals who are smart enough to learn from other people's mistakes. Both agree that the pain of personal failures, such as bombing on stage, is a valuable lesson that motivates individuals to improve. They also acknowledge that ego-driven delusions hinder growth and underscore the importance of accepting criticism. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the significance of self-reflection, receptiveness to feedback, and the willingness to learn from others in order to progress.
Embrace Your Unique Vision and Style: Stay true to your artistic vision, trust your instincts, and create work that genuinely resonates with you, regardless of outside influences or mainstream expectations.
Everyone has a unique vision and style that they should embrace and stay true to. Joe Rogan and Rob Zombie discuss how important it is for artists to focus on their own creativity and not let outside influences or opinions control their work. They emphasize the need for filmmakers to trust their instincts and not be swayed by the demands of committees or executives who may not understand their vision. They also appreciate the enduring appeal of unconventional and bizarre films that have a specific vision, rather than conforming to mainstream expectations. Ultimately, the key takeaway is that artists should stay committed to their own artistic vision and create work that genuinely resonates with them.
Exploring Harvey Keitel's Intense Acting Abilities and Enigmatic Persona: Harvey Keitel's talent in portraying intense characters is widely appreciated, while also shedding light on the dark history of corruption in law enforcement.
There is a discussion about the authenticity and depth of the actor Harvey Keitel. The participants, Rob Zombie and Joe Rogan, praised Keitel's ability to portray intense characters convincingly. They also mentioned some of his notable films like "Bad Lieutenant" and "Taxi Driver." Additionally, the conversation touched upon Keitel's alleged replacement in "Eyes Wide Shut" and his reputation for being a talented but enigmatic actor. The conversation then shifted to a discussion about corruption among police officers, with Joe Rogan sharing a documentary on corrupt cops in New York during the '70s and '80s. Overall, the key takeaway is an appreciation for Harvey Keitel's talent and a glimpse into the dark side of law enforcement history.
The Challenges and Realities of Being a Cop: Despite negative media portrayals, most police officers are dedicated to their duty and community. Strengthening the screening process can help prevent individuals with wrong intentions from entering the force.
Being a cop is an incredibly challenging and often thankless job. Despite the negative portrayal of police in the media, the majority of interactions between police officers and civilians are not instances of police brutality or misconduct. Most cops are doing their best to fulfill their duty and protect the community. However, they often face disrespect, lack of appreciation, and minimal counseling and support. The screening process to become a police officer needs to be more stringent to prevent individuals with the wrong intentions from joining the force. It is important to have perspective and not generalize based on the actions of a few.
