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    191. Doug Ellin: 20th anniversary of Entourage, breaking into the TV & movie industry, the collaboration process, and all the $$$ behind it!

    enAugust 12, 2024
    What career path did Doug Allen initially pursue before writing?
    How did Doug Allen handle rejections before his success?
    What is the record high of total household debt in the US?
    What skills did the speaker emphasize for success in Hollywood?
    How did 'Entourage' monetize its success after airing on HBO?

    Podcast Summary

    • Following passions despite setbacksPersistence and passion can lead to great success even if it means deviating from traditional career paths, but it's crucial to manage debt wisely and understand the difference between good and bad debt.

      Persistence and passion can lead to great success, even if it means deviating from traditional career paths. Doug Allen, the creator of the hit TV show "Entourage," dropped out of law school to pursue stand-up comedy and eventually writing. He faced numerous rejections before his show was picked up by HBO. Allen's story serves as a reminder that setbacks and challenges are inevitable, but with determination and a clear vision, one can turn their passions into a successful career. Additionally, the discussion highlighted the importance of managing debt wisely and understanding the difference between good and bad debt. From a market perspective, total household debt in the United States reached a record high of $17.8 trillion in Q2 2024. It's crucial to ensure that debt is connected to appreciating assets and can be serviced with current cash flow. Overall, the episode offered valuable insights into the entertainment industry, the importance of following one's passions, and the significance of financial responsibility.

    • Perseverance and work ethicHaving talent is important, but perseverance and work ethic are crucial for success in the entertainment industry. Networking and asking for favors can also open doors to opportunities.

      Talent and work ethic are essential for success in the entertainment industry. The speaker shared his personal experience of starting from a mailroom job at New Line Cinema with little financial support from his parents, but a strong determination to make it in Hollywood. He emphasized the importance of having a talent, but more importantly, the perseverance and work ethic to make things happen. He also highlighted the role of networking and asking for favors from industry professionals. The speaker's first short film, made with a shoestring budget, led to significant opportunities, including representation by an agent and acceptance into the American Film Institute. While the odds of success in the entertainment industry are low, the speaker encourages aspiring artists to create something and make it happen, rather than waiting for opportunities to come to them.

    • Financial risks in film industryDespite the enormous financial stakes, making it in the film industry involves significant risks for artists and studios alike. Success is uncertain, and financial independence can be fleeting.

      Making it in the film industry is a significant risk with enormous financial stakes. The speaker's experience of going from struggling artist to unexpected success with the movie "Fat Beach" illustrates this. Despite facing a terrible script and production chaos, the movie was eventually picked up and released, grossing millions. However, the speaker only received a small portion of the profits. The odds of a movie being successful after being picked up are slim, and the financial risks for studios are huge. The speaker's parents supported him financially during his early career, and he became financially independent after selling a script and making a few movies. However, after a perceived flop with "Kissing a Fool," he struggled to find work. Ultimately, he found success with "Entourage," but only after initially being hesitant about the project. Throughout his career, the speaker faced numerous financial risks and learned that studios take significant risks when they invest in movies.

    • Adapting to new opportunitiesPerseverance and a willingness to adapt are crucial for success. Unexpected roles can lead to significant growth, and challenges can be turned into opportunities.

      Perseverance and a willingness to adapt are key to success. The speaker shares his experience of initially being hesitant about taking on roles that later turned out to be game changers for him, such as the role in "Entourage." He also emphasizes the importance of finding value in unexpected places and turning potential challenges into opportunities. Additionally, he introduces a new product called Zbiotics pre-alcohol, which he believes can help improve the after-effects of drinking. The speaker encourages listeners to try it responsibly and offers a discount code for those interested.

    • Entertainment industry challengesThe entertainment industry requires resilience, persistence, and the ability to adapt to rejection and financial strain, with the ultimate goal being to reach HBO and secure a substantial income after five seasons.

      The entertainment industry can be a long and arduous journey filled with rejection, financial strain, and personal sacrifices. The speaker shares his experience of writing a pilot for HBO, which involved hiring a UCLA screenwriting professor for feedback, facing numerous rejections, and even resorting to desperate measures for inspiration. Despite these challenges, he eventually received an offer from HBO, but the process took years and required him to rewrite the script multiple times. The ultimate success came with the acceptance of the pilot, but the financial rewards were minimal, and the road to achieving credibility and securing big names for the project was also a struggle. The speaker emphasizes that the ultimate goal is to get on HBO and make it to season five, where one can start earning a substantial income.

    • Creating 'Entourage'Despite initial doubts and financial risks, staying committed to a vision and taking calculated risks can lead to unexpected success and increased rewards.

      The creation of the hit HBO show "Entourage" was a challenging process filled with uncertainty and financial risk. Despite initial doubts from HBO, the show's creator Doug Ellin persisted and ultimately secured the commitment for seven episodes with a relatively low budget. The actors were paid significantly less than the creator during the first season. However, the show's unexpected success led to increased budgets and higher salaries in later seasons. Ellin's determination and the show's eventual success demonstrate the importance of staying committed to a vision and the potential rewards that come with taking calculated risks. Additionally, Ellin emphasized the importance of mental health and encouraged listeners to prioritize it through therapy, especially during busy times.

    • Entertainment Industry SuccessTalent, hard work, and luck are crucial for success in the entertainment industry. Love what you do and keep going despite rejection and setbacks.

      Success in the entertainment industry requires a combination of talent, hard work, and luck. Talent is an intangible quality that sets some actors apart, but it's not enough on its own. Hard work and dedication are essential, and even the most talented individuals may not make it without the right opportunities. Larry David, for instance, was fired from Saturday Night Live and struggled financially before finding success with Seinfeld. David Schwimmer, on the other hand, was identified as a rising star early on and went on to become one of the biggest names in Hollywood. However, not everyone gets the same opportunities, and it's important to have encouragement and believe in oneself. The entertainment industry is filled with untalented people who persist, as well as talented individuals who give up. The key is to love what you do and keep going, even when faced with rejection and setbacks.

    • Passion and authenticityFollow your passions, set goals, and give it your all despite potential setbacks. Authenticity is key to success in the entertainment industry.

      Passion and authenticity were the driving forces behind Doug Ellin's successful television career, even if it didn't always lead to financial riches. Ellin, who is credited with starting the celebrity liquor business trend, shared stories about how he secured cars for his show "Entourage" and started his own production company for his new show "Ramble on." He emphasized the importance of loving what you do and giving it your all, even if it means taking risks and potentially facing setbacks. Despite the financial success of shows like "Sex and the City" and "Entourage," Ellin's involvement and compensation varied, and he didn't become wealthy from the movies or the TV industry as a whole. Instead, he focused on creating authentic content and working with people he enjoyed. Ellin's advice for listeners is to follow their passions and set timelines for achieving their goals, even if the path isn't always clear or easy. To learn more about Ellin and his projects, listeners can check out his podcast "Victory" and keep an eye out for updates on "Ramble on."

    • Perseverance and PassionPerseverance and passion can lead to extraordinary success despite setbacks, as shown by Doug Allen's creation of Entourage despite struggling in law school and the entertainment industry.

      Passion and hard work can lead to extraordinary success, even if it doesn't come easy or right away. The story of Doug Allen, the creator of Entourage, serves as an inspiring example. Despite dropping out of law school and struggling to find his footing in the entertainment industry, he persisted and eventually created one of the most successful TV shows of all time. His journey was filled with setbacks, but his determination and dedication paid off in the end. For those listening, the takeaway is to tap into your passions and work hard to bring your ideas to life, no matter what obstacles you may face. Additionally, the importance of social media in today's world was also highlighted, as it could have significantly impacted the careers of the Entourage cast if they had access to it during their time.

    • Entourage's monetization strategiesEntourage's success came from its engaging storyline, relatable characters, and effective monetization strategies through brand partnerships and syndication, leading to significant financial gains for the cast and creators.

      The success of "Entourage" not only came from its engaging storyline and relatable characters, but also from its ability to monetize through brand partnerships and syndication. Johnny Drama, played by Kevin Connolly, shared his experience of how his large social media following and memorable role helped him secure paid appearances at events, but struggled to pivot out of his iconic persona. The show's lack of product placement and subsequent success on HBO led to significant financial gains when it was syndicated to other networks, making it a lucrative venture for the cast and creators. This business acumen, combined with the show's relatable themes, contributed to its enduring popularity.

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