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    23: Flipping While Working a Job, Partnerships, and Military Investing with James Vermillion

    enJune 20, 2013

    Podcast Summary

    • Importance of having a clear profile picture on BiggerPocketsUploading a clear profile picture on BiggerPockets can help build trust and credibility among other investors.

      Having a clear and authentic profile picture on BiggerPockets can help build trust and credibility among other investors. The hosts, Josh Dorkin and Brandon Turner, discussed the importance of uploading a photo, preferably your face, on your personal profile to establish a stronger online presence. They also mentioned that any photo is better than no photo. The hosts also highlighted the success of the BiggerPockets iPhone app and the BiggerPockets podcast, encouraging listeners to leave feedback and ratings to help improve their rankings on iTunes. The episode featured James Vermillion, one of the partners of K and V Investment Group LLC, a real estate investing company based in Lexington, Kentucky. James and his firm employ various strategies, including distressed property rehab, real estate sales, and property management throughout the Bluegrass region. He is also a licensed real estate agent and a moderator on the BiggerPockets forums. The hosts expressed their excitement about having James on the show, and the episode promised to provide valuable insights into James' real estate investing journey and strategies.

    • Investing in Real Estate with Little to No Money DownExplore resources like DealMachine, Rent to Retirement, and Vacasa for off-market deals, turnkey rentals, and vacation home management to invest in real estate with minimal upfront costs.

      Technology and innovative financing solutions are making it easier than ever to invest in real estate with little to no money down. DealMachine offers a wealth of contact information and phone numbers for off-market deals, while Rent to Retirement sells new construction turnkey rental properties with low or no money down and investor loans. Additionally, Vacasa simplifies vacation home ownership by managing the property and earning homeowners more revenue. Starting in the real estate industry can be as simple as talking to a friend and taking action, even for those with limited funds. Whether you're a military veteran or just starting out, there are resources and opportunities available to help you get started.

    • Learning from Dry Runs in Real Estate InvestingSuccessful real estate investing requires extensive preparation and practice. Analyze potential deals through 'dry runs' to become proficient and eventually lead to successful purchases.

      Successful real estate investing often involves extensive preparation and learning before making a move. The speakers shared their experience of practicing and analyzing potential deals through "dry runs" before making their first purchase. They spent significant time and resources researching properties at courthouse auctions, online auction sites, and through regular offers, only to be outbid each time. However, they saw the value in this experience as it helped them become proficient in analyzing properties and eventually led to their successful first flip. Additionally, they did all of this while the speaker was employed full-time and even while serving in the military. The use of online resources, such as BiggerPockets, was instrumental in their education and continued growth in real estate investing.

    • From BiggerPockets to 10 deals: A journey of learningDetermination, resourcefulness, and seeking knowledge through free resources like OpenCourseWare can lead to success in real estate investing.

      There are no stupid questions in real estate investing, and resources for learning are abundant. The speaker shared his personal journey from a beginner asking questions on BiggerPockets to completing 10 deals without spending money on expensive courses. He emphasized the importance of asking questions and seeking knowledge, and recommended exploring free college courses through OpenCourseWare from reputable universities like Princeton and Stanford as a cost-effective alternative to paid courses. The speaker's experience demonstrates that determination, resourcefulness, and a willingness to learn can lead to success in real estate investing.

    • Transitioning from flipping to buy and holdSecuring financing from community banks for buy and hold investments can provide better rates and terms than hard money lenders, but requires persistence and refinement in approach

      Starting out in real estate investing, focusing on flipping properties can be a good way to generate capital and build experience, but transitioning into buy and hold investments can provide long-term benefits. Financing for flipping can be obtained from community banks, which can include rehab budgeting and better rates compared to hard money lenders. Finding such financing may involve persistence and refining the approach to lenders, who may initially be skeptical due to lack of credibility or business experience. However, with determination and refinement, the odds of success increase significantly.

    • Presenting a solid business plan to the bankTo increase chances of getting approved for a house flipping loan, present a well-thought-out business plan with purchase price breakdown and renovation costs.

      When approaching a bank for a house flipping loan, it's essential to present yourself as a serious business rather than just a house buyer. This means being prepared with a well-thought-out business plan, including the purchase price breakdown and renovation costs. The bank isn't lending on a house; they're lending on a business. Therefore, showing that you have a solid plan and the capability to handle the project increases your chances of getting approved. Additionally, the most successful deals are often found on the Multiple Listing Service (MLS), although it may take more time and effort compared to other methods. Keep in mind that what works in one market might not work in another, so it's essential to adapt your strategies accordingly.

    • Identifying unique opportunities in house flippingEffective marketing, identifying hidden opportunities, and adaptable partnerships are crucial for successful house flipping

      Successful house flipping involves identifying unique opportunities that others may overlook, such as houses with foundation problems or mold issues that can be remediated at a cost. Another key factor is marketing the house as soon as possible to avoid wasting time. A mistake that was made early on was not marketing the house soon enough, resulting in wasted time and resources. Partnerships can also be beneficial for new investors, especially if they cannot do it alone or have limited time. However, partnerships will never be 50-50 at any given point in time, and both parties must be willing to adapt and take on different responsibilities as needed. Overall, successful house flipping requires identifying unique opportunities, marketing effectively, and being flexible in partnerships.

    • Benefits and Challenges of Business PartnershipsPartnerships bring benefits like borrowing power, analysis, complementary skills, division of tasks, accountability, confidence, and risk-sharing, but also present challenges such as conflicts, unequal commitment, and differing visions. Success requires commitment, compromise, and effective communication.

      Having a business partnership can bring numerous benefits, such as access to borrowing power with two incomes, an extra set of eyes for analysis, complementary qualities, division of tasks, accountability, confidence, and risk-sharing. However, it also comes with challenges, including potential conflicts, unequal commitment levels, and differing business visions. To make a partnership work, both parties need to be fully committed, willing to make compromises, and able to effectively communicate and resolve conflicts. It's important to remember that a successful partnership is not always 50-50, but rather a collaborative effort where both parties bring their unique strengths and work together towards a common goal.

    • Effective communication and collaboration in real estate partnershipsSuccessful real estate partnerships require effective communication, collaboration, and dedication.

      Effective communication and collaboration are crucial in real estate partnerships. Disagreements are inevitable, but it's essential to talk things out and make decisions together, even if they don't always turn out perfectly. Partnerships can be a valuable resource for those starting out in real estate, especially when financing is an issue. However, it's essential to prioritize your primary source of income and dedicate yourself fully to your job or military service, making time for real estate investments when possible. Communication, collaboration, and dedication are the keys to successful real estate partnerships.

    • Effective time management and systemization for full-time real estate investorsFocus on understanding your business and automating/outsourcing time-consuming tasks to free up resources for other aspects of your real estate business.

      Effective time management and systemization are crucial for real estate investors working full-time jobs. While automation tools can be helpful, it's essential to develop your unique systems based on your specific business needs and priorities. Don't rush into buying prepackaged systems without learning what works best for you first. Instead, focus on understanding your business and what tasks take up the most time or cause the most frustration. By figuring out how to automate or outsource those tasks, you can free up time and resources for other aspects of your business. Remember, there's no one-size-fits-all solution, and the learning process is an essential part of building a successful real estate investing business.

    • Building Wealth in Real Estate: The Importance of Partners and FinancingFind a reliable multifamily syndicator like BAM Capital for wealth-building opportunities and secure financing through Host Financial or explore options for veterans and small businesses.

      Partnering with the right company and having access to reliable financing are crucial for real estate investors looking to build wealth or generate income. The discussion highlighted BAM Capital, a multifamily syndicator with a strong track record and consistent returns, and Host Financial, a lender offering easy qualification processes. Additionally, there are various financing options for veterans and small businesses beyond traditional VA loans, which can be explored for real estate investments. It's essential for investors to seek out these resources and opportunities to navigate the ever-changing market effectively.

    • Military Personnel Can Build a Successful Real Estate Portfolio OverseasMilitary personnel can focus on key markets for long-term growth and effective tenant screening to build a successful real estate portfolio while serving their country.

      Active duty military personnel can successfully invest in real estate, even if they're stationed overseas. James, a veteran himself, advises against buying a property at every duty location and instead suggests focusing on key markets where you have confidence in the long-term growth. This strategy can lead to fewer properties to manage and lower management costs. Another important consideration is effective tenant screening, which James emphasizes as crucial for successful landlording. He wrote a popular guide on this topic, "The Ultimate Guide to Tenant Screening," which can be found in the show notes. James and his wife currently manage their own properties, but they've had positive experiences and have found that good tenants want to live in well-managed properties. Overall, with careful planning and dedication, military personnel can build a successful real estate portfolio, even while serving their country.

    • Transitioning from house flipping to rental investingBe adaptable and open-minded in real estate investing, consider various strategies and financing options for growth and financial stability.

      Being a successful real estate investor involves finding a balance between different strategies and approaches. The speaker shared his experience of transitioning from flipping houses to buying rentals, and how the timing and availability of capital played a role in that decision. He emphasized the importance of considering various perspectives and learning from different experiences, rather than relying on a single approach. Additionally, the speaker discussed his approach to financing rentals with commercial loans and paying them down quickly, as a way to strike a balance between growth and financial stability. Overall, the conversation underscores the importance of being adaptable and open-minded in real estate investing.

    • Benefits of Having a Real Estate License for Property InvestorsA real estate license offers MLS access, commission savings, and control over the buying and selling process, making it beneficial for property investors. Find a mentor by showcasing dedication and skills first.

      Having a real estate license can provide significant benefits for property investors, offering MLS access, saving on commissions, and granting control over the buying and selling process. Ryan and the speaker shared their experiences of how the license has been essential to their business model. Additionally, they recommended finding a mentor by first demonstrating your commitment and skills in the industry, rather than actively seeking one out. To get started, assess your financial situation, existing skills, and goals before selecting a specific investment strategy.

    • Assessing your means and goals before investingBe realistic about your resources and consider a gradual approach to real estate investing while maintaining a steady income.

      Before diving into real estate investing, it's crucial to assess your financial situation, skills, and resources to determine the best strategy for you. A successful investor shared an example of someone who wanted to become a real estate agent but lacked a car, which is essential for the job. This situation was not feasible and highlights the importance of being realistic about your means and goals. The investor also emphasized that there's no need to rush into full-time investing if you're content with your current job. Instead, you can gradually build your real estate business while maintaining a steady income. Additionally, having a job can provide financial stability and allow your investment money to grow without the added expenses of a salary. Overall, being thoughtful and strategic about your approach to real estate investing can lead to greater success.

    • Balancing Passion and Realism in Real Estate FlippingTo succeed in real estate flipping, maintain passion while working hard, learning from failures, and making informed decisions through resources like renovation cost guides.

      Success in real estate, especially for flippers, requires a balanced approach and realistic expectations. Passion is important, but it must be sustained over time. Some people may be easily swayed by new interests or unrealistic expectations of instant success. On the other hand, those who are willing to put in the effort, work hard, and learn from failures are more likely to succeed. A useful resource for estimating renovation costs, like the book by Jay Scott available on BiggerPockets, can help in making informed decisions and finding savings. Additionally, being inspired by biographies or other non-real estate business books can provide valuable insights and motivation. Hobbies, such as horse racing or traveling, can also contribute to a balanced lifestyle and help relieve stress. Ultimately, success in real estate requires a combination of passion, hard work, and a realistic understanding of the challenges and rewards of the business.

    • Success in real estate investing with a full-time job or military serviceDedication, hard work, and passion for real estate investing, along with resources like BiggerPockets, can help anyone achieve success despite a full-time job or military service.

      With dedication and hard work, anyone can achieve success in real estate investing, even while working a full-time job or serving in the military. James Vermillion, a young and successful investor, is a testament to this. He credits BiggerPockets as a valuable resource in his journey, providing answers to his questions and saving him time. While the road to success is not easy, having a passion for it makes the journey more enjoyable. James encourages anyone, especially military personnel, to not give up and to keep learning. BiggerPockets is a community where investors, new and experienced, can engage, connect, and ask questions, making it an essential tool for those looking to simplify their real estate investing journey.

    • Connect with local real estate experts for investing successUsing BiggerPockets Agent Finder, quickly connect with local experts to guide you through real estate investing, analyze neighborhoods and numbers, and confidently take action.

      Finding an investor-friendly real estate agent is crucial for those looking to get into or advance in real estate investing. The market can be unpredictable, but the best investors understand that it's not about timing the market perfectly, but rather being consistent and present in it. With BiggerPockets Agent Finder, you can quickly connect with local market experts who can help guide you through the process of buying real estate, from analyzing neighborhoods and numbers to taking confident action. This free resource is only available on biggerpockets.com/deals, and it's an essential step towards financial freedom. Remember, investing in real estate, or any asset, involves risk, so make informed decisions and consult with qualified advisors before making any moves. Bigger Pockets LLC disclaims all liability for any damages arising from the use of this information.

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