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    34. “It’s unromantic if my boyfriend doesn’t pay for date night”

    enMarch 15, 2022

    Podcast Summary

    • Money Expectations in RelationshipsOpenly discussing and addressing money expectations in relationships is crucial for a fulfilling financial partnership

      Expectations around money in relationships can cause significant tension and misunderstandings. In the podcast, Ramit discusses his upcoming events in Philadelphia and Boston, and encourages listeners to get his book, "I Will Teach You To Be Rich," to improve their finances. He also shares a story of a couple, Ashley and Josh, who have different expectations around money in their relationship. Ashley expects Josh to pay for everything on date nights, while Josh thought this was a temporary arrangement after Ashley became employed. This issue, along with their differing income levels and debt, creates tension in their relationship. Ramit emphasizes the importance of openly discussing and examining our own beliefs and expectations around money in relationships, as very few people do so candidly. By acknowledging and addressing these expectations, couples can work towards a more equitable and fulfilling financial partnership.

    • Patterns of unequal financial burden in relationshipsRecognize and address unequal financial dynamics in relationships to prevent resentment and build a strong, equal partnership.

      Relationships can be complicated, and dynamics around money and expectations can lead to unnecessary tension. Ashley and Josh's situation is an example of a common dynamic where one partner often ends up paying for expenses, despite both having similar incomes. This pattern, often invisible to the participants, can lead to resentment and unhappiness if not addressed. It's essential to have open and honest conversations about expectations and financial goals to build a strong and equal partnership. In their relationship, Ashley expects Josh to pay for dinners on date nights, while Josh feels anxious about the financial burden. By recognizing this dynamic and having open conversations, they can work towards a more balanced and equitable partnership. Ultimately, it's crucial to have a common goal and move beyond petty disagreements over small expenses towards building a fulfilling and long-term relationship.

    • Misunderstandings from expectations in relationshipsOpen communication and understanding hidden expectations are crucial in avoiding resentment and embarrassment in relationships.

      Expectations and gender roles in relationships can lead to misunderstandings and emotional conversations. Ashley shared her experience of having a tough conversation with her boyfriend about paying for dates, which tied back to traditional gender roles and expectations. She acknowledged that she wanted her boyfriend to pay because of romantic notions and feelings of being special, but also felt confused and inconsistent about her beliefs. The conversation highlighted the importance of open communication and understanding hidden expectations to avoid resentment and embarrassment in relationships. Despite the confusion, Ashley's honesty about her beliefs was admirable and serves as a reminder to examine and articulate our own expectations in relationships.

    • Effective communication in travel and relationshipsClear communication is essential for a successful travel experience and maintaining a healthy relationship. Discuss expectations and financial matters beforehand to avoid misunderstandings and ensure a memorable journey together.

      Effective communication is key in any relationship, whether it's about travel experiences or financial matters. During travels, platforms like Viator offer a wide range of experiences, making it easier for couples to find common ground. For instance, my wife and I discovered a segue tour through Viator that we both enjoyed. With over 300,000 bookable experiences in 190 countries and real travel reviews, Viator ensures a memorable and flexible travel experience. In the realm of personal comfort, my friend's experience with 8 Sleep's pod cover highlights the importance of understanding each other's needs. The smart cover adjusts temperatures to cater to individual preferences, ensuring a better and smarter sleep. When it comes to financial matters, such as deciding who pays for a meal, clear communication is essential. In a 50-50 relationship, it's important to discuss expectations and be open about desires, rather than expecting the other person to read your mind. Miscommunication can lead to annoyance and unnecessary tension. In summary, effective communication is crucial for a successful travel experience and maintaining a healthy relationship. Be open about your desires and expectations, and always discuss financial matters beforehand to avoid misunderstandings and ensure a memorable journey together.

    • Money Expectations in RelationshipsOpenly discussing financial expectations and values can prevent imbalance and frustration in relationships.

      Many people's expectations around money in relationships, including who pays for dates, are influenced by their upbringing and past experiences. However, these expectations can lead to imbalance and frustration in the relationship if not openly discussed. In this conversation, Ashley expresses her belief that she should not always be the one paying for dates because of her past experiences. Josh feels that this is not fair and wants to have open conversations about money and splitting costs. Ashley also shares that she values romance and feels that traditional date nights are important to her sense of being swept off her feet. It's important for couples to have open and honest conversations about their financial expectations and values to maintain balance and fairness in the relationship.

    • Rules of thumb in relationshipsClear communication and setting rules of thumb can prevent financial stress and disagreements in relationships. Be open and honest about expectations and boundaries to build a strong foundation.

      Effective communication and setting clear rules of thumb can help prevent financial stress and disagreements in relationships. The couple in the discussion expressed a desire for romantic dinners, but found themselves arguing over who should pay and how much they could afford. Through the conversation, it became clear that they were naturally developing rules of thumb, but hadn't realized it. For instance, Ashley was willing to pay for certain types of dinners, while Josh wanted to keep them within their means. By acknowledging and discussing these rules, they can avoid the need for frequent financial investigations and ensure that their date nights remain enjoyable and romantic. Communication is key in any relationship, and it's important to be clear and specific about expectations and boundaries. By having open and honest conversations, couples can build a strong foundation for their partnership and avoid unnecessary conflicts.

    • Fear of Rejection and Hinting at DesiresExpressing desires can be scary, but hiding them isn't fair to others or ourselves. Understand underlying beliefs, simplify tasks, and invest in joyful experiences.

      Fear of rejection or upsetting others can prevent us from expressing our desires and living our best lives. Ashley's fear of saying the wrong thing to her partner could lead to them breaking up, and she's hesitant to even utter the words of what she wants. This pattern is common, especially among women. Instead of just telling people what we want, we often hide and hint, which isn't fair to them or ourselves. It's important to understand the underlying beliefs that hold us back, like the fear of losing someone if we express our desires. Another takeaway is the importance of simplifying and streamlining daily tasks, like managing emails. Using tools like Superhuman can save time and energy by organizing emails and allowing for quick keyboard shortcuts to manage messages. Lastly, investing in experiences and quality products, like Peak Tea, can bring joy and care into our lives, even if we can't afford the most expensive versions. It's about capturing the feeling behind the experience. Overall, these takeaways remind us to be confident in expressing our desires, simplifying our daily tasks, and investing in experiences that bring us joy.

    • Discussing financial expectations and goalsEffective communication and understanding of each other's perspectives are crucial for navigating financial challenges in a relationship.

      Communication and transparency about financial expectations and goals are crucial in a relationship. Ashley and Josh had a revealing conversation about their differing visions for their future, and while Josh expressed his discomfort with discussing money, Ashley's openness about her desires was a positive sign for their partnership. However, their contrasting upbringings and experiences created tension around the topic of financial responsibilities, particularly regarding the cost of a potential nanny. When Ashley feels unromantic about discussing finances before dinner, it makes her feel like the mood is being dampened, while Josh feels inadequate when the conversation revolves around expensive wedding plans and other costs. Effective communication and understanding of each other's perspectives are essential for navigating these challenges and building a strong foundation for their future together.

    • Misunderstandings from deeper connectionsOpen communication about expectations, feelings, and financial situations is crucial to avoid misunderstandings and build a stronger connection in a relationship.

      Deeper connection and expectations can lead to misunderstandings and feelings of not being enough in a relationship. Ashley and Josh shared their feelings about unmet expectations and resentment towards each other, which they both felt was hindering their deeper connection. They acknowledged the importance of addressing their financial debt to build a stable future and focus on their goals. However, their self-perceived incomes seemed to be a source of dissatisfaction and unhappiness, despite making significant amounts. Both Ashley and Josh described their incomes with qualifiers, which may indicate a disconnect between their perceived financial reality and their actual income. It's essential for couples to communicate openly about their expectations, feelings, and financial situations to avoid misunderstandings and build a stronger connection.

    • Mindset towards money and acknowledging current financial situationEmbrace different seasons of life, acknowledge current financial reality, and use tools like NetSuite for clear financial understanding to manage money peacefully and productively.

      Our mindset towards money and our ability to acknowledge and accept our current financial situation plays a significant role in our relationship with money. The speaker shares an observation about people who have recently started earning more money but continue to live as if they are still in a scarcity mindset. They refuse to believe their new reality and keep making excuses or discounting their income. The speaker encourages embracing the different seasons of life and being present in the current one, while also preparing for the next. For business owners, the speaker suggests using tools like NetSuite to streamline financial management and gain a clear understanding of key performance indicators. In essence, being aware of your financial situation and acknowledging it can lead to a more peaceful and productive approach to managing money.

    • Overcoming daunting tasks for financial peace of mindRealizing tasks take less time than anticipated, prioritizing important tasks, and facing financial challenges head-on can lead to financial security and reduced anxiety.

      Procrastination and anxiety about important tasks, such as getting life insurance or managing debt, can lead to unnecessary stress and financial consequences. The speaker shared her experience of realizing that tasks that seemed daunting took less time than anticipated, like making a doctor's appointment or getting life insurance through Fabric by Gerber Life. She also discussed her past experience with accumulating credit card debt due to materialistic desires, which took away from her savings and caused anxiety. However, she acknowledged that justifying past behaviors and downplaying consequences doesn't change the reality of the situation. It's essential to prioritize important tasks, face financial challenges head-on, and make changes to improve financial security and reduce anxiety.

    • Honesty and clear communication are key in financial relationshipsBe open about financial needs and desires, set realistic goals, and work together to manage debt

      Honesty and clear communication are crucial in a relationship, especially when it comes to financial matters. Ashley and Josh's conversation revealed that they had different expectations and attitudes towards money, which were causing tension in their relationship. Josh encouraged Ashley to be honest about her financial needs and desires, while also acknowledging that she needed to be prepared for the potential consequences. They discussed the importance of setting realistic goals and finding a way to manage their debt together, rather than living in fear of financial anxiety. Ultimately, the conversation highlighted the importance of understanding each other's backgrounds and experiences with money, and finding a way to work together towards a common goal.

    • Understanding the Complexity of Personal FinancesDespite similar incomes, individuals can have vastly different approaches to money management leading to varying financial outcomes. Changing views and building a healthier relationship with money requires introspection and a shift in perspective.

      Learning from this podcast episode is that while two individuals may have high incomes, their views and relationships with money can vary greatly. This episode highlighted the fascinating and troubling ways in which they have approached their finances, and how they are only now beginning to understand why they have not paid off their debts. It's important to note that this isn't just a math problem, but rather a deeper issue that requires introspection and a shift in perspective. In the next episode, we will delve deeper into the practical steps for changing these views and building a healthier relationship with money. Stay tuned for part 2, and in the meantime, consider picking up a copy of Ramit Sethi's book "I Will Teach You to be Rich" for specific tactics on improving your personal finances.

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    74. “I’m $450k in debt but she still wants me to treat her to dinner” (Part Two)

    74. “I’m $450k in debt but she still wants me to treat her to dinner” (Part Two)
    We pick up part two of Serena and Nate’s conversation with an equity problem—a serious one, and one they didn’t realize they had. Serena earns considerably more for now, but Nate stands to triple her salary in a couple of years. His medical school debt, in the meantime, crushes him.  He needs help but she doesn't see it.  He can’t, or doesn’t, speak up.  Can they meet one another where they are? Links mentioned in this episode Please take my podcast survey Join the Dream Job program Join the Earnable program Connect with Ramit Get Money Coaching with Ramit  Download the Conscious Spending Plan Get my New York Times best-selling book Get my no-numbers journal Other episodes Instagram Twitter YouTube If you and your partner have a money issue and you want my help, I occasionally select a couple to work with, free of charge. Apply for my help here. Produced by Crate Media.