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    379: What the Numbers Reveal About Today's Rents, Prices, and Top Cashflow Markets with Data Scientist Dave Meyer

    enApril 23, 2020

    Podcast Summary

    • Real Estate Market Trends and InsightsThe real estate market is seeing a decline in new listing prices and potential rent declines due to landlord eagerness to fill vacancies. Use data to make informed decisions and consider no money down investment opportunities.

      The real estate market is experiencing a decline in new listing prices, potentially leading to short-term rent declines due to landlords' eagerness to fill vacancies. Additionally, there's a lot of fear and emotion in the market right now, making it crucial for investors to use data to make informed decisions. To help with this, Bigger Pockets brought back data scientist Dave Meyer to discuss current market trends and insights, including information from their new magazine, Bigger Pockets Wealth Magazine. Another key takeaway is the availability of no money down investment opportunities through services like Rent to Retirement. Overall, this episode provides valuable information for investors looking to navigate the current real estate market.

    • Data-driven real estate investingInvesting in real estate funds provides attractive returns, security, and community revitalization opportunities. Make informed decisions based on data, not emotions or social media.

      Investing in real estate passively through funds like Pine Financial Group offers attractive returns, security, and a chance to contribute to community revitalization. Dave Meyer, currently living in Amsterdam while working for BiggerPockets, discussed the importance of data-driven decisions in real estate investing amidst market anxiety and emotional decision-making. He shared his personal experience of selling a successful investment and missing out on a 1031 exchange opportunity. Meyer, a data scientist, emphasized the significance of making informed decisions based on data rather than social media or emotions.

    • Thorough research and planning lead to successful real estate investmentsResearching market trends and long-term goals can lead to profitable real estate investments, even in volatile markets. Personal interest and strategic planning are crucial components of success.

      Thorough research and planning can lead to successful real estate investments, even in volatile markets. The speaker, Dave, had long-term goals of buying an Airbnb in the mountains for personal use and rental income. He meticulously researched the market using data from AirDNA and found that larger properties had better returns and less competition. Despite appearing as a spur-of-the-moment decision, Dave had been preparing for years. He and his agent worked together, with Dave handling financial analysis and the agent assisting with inspections and negotiations. However, even with careful planning, the business has been impacted by the recent economic conditions, leading to cancellations and decreased revenue. Yet, Dave's long-term rentals provide a stable income stream, allowing him to weather this volatility. Ultimately, the success of the investment comes from a combination of personal interest, thorough research, and strategic planning.

    • Partner with your agent to execute your strategyInvestors should have a clear strategy and educate themselves, while agents can provide local expertise to help execute investments in the current uncertain real estate market.

      Investors should formulate their own investing strategies and use their agents as partners to help facilitate their vision. The investor's job is to come with a clear strategy, while the agent can provide expertise on specific neighborhoods, zoning regulations, and other details. Agents may not have a deep understanding of what makes a good investment, so it's crucial for investors to educate themselves and do their own research. The real estate market is currently showing signs of a slowdown, with a decrease in new mortgage applications, but it's not yet clear if this will lead to a decline in home prices. Overall, it's essential for investors to stay informed about the market and take an active role in their investments.

    • COVID-19's Impact on Real Estate MarketExperts predict a temporary decrease in housing prices due to COVID-19, but the length of social distancing measures and US rehiring pace are crucial factors. Market direction varies based on specific location and industry.

      The real estate market is facing a potential decrease in demand and an increase in supply due to the economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic. However, some experts believe that any decline in housing prices will be temporary and not as significant as the housing market crash in 2008. The length of time for social distancing measures and the pace of rehiring in the US are key factors in determining the market's direction. Additionally, the impact on housing prices can vary greatly depending on the specific market and industry. A house will only see a price decrease if it stays on the market for an extended period of time, and sellers are reluctant to lower their asking prices.

    • Economic conditions impact house selling pricesPaying attention to economic indicators helps investors make informed decisions on buying or selling houses. BP Insights, a new tool by BiggerPockets, offers market data and historical trends for confident investments.

      The length of time a house stays on the market before the seller drops the price significantly depends on economic conditions. If unemployment lasts for several months and people stop buying houses, sellers may be forced to lower their prices due to an oversupply of homes. However, if economic activity picks up and people start receiving paychecks, housing prices may remain stable or even increase. It's crucial for investors to pay close attention to market data and economic indicators to make informed investment decisions. BP Insights is a new tool launched by BiggerPockets to help investors access market data and historical trends to make confident investment decisions. It's available to pro and premium members and offers downloadable spreadsheets with rent and inventory data for individual cities, towns, and countries. The data will also be featured in the BiggerPockets Wealth Magazine.

    • Consider vacancy rates and rent to price ratio for best cash flow marketsUse vacancy rates and rent to price ratio as preliminary screening tools for identifying potential real estate investment markets. Drill down into individual neighborhoods for more detailed information.

      When it comes to real estate investing, particularly in determining the best cash flow markets, it's essential to consider vacancy rates and use a metric like rent to price ratio as a preliminary screening method. This simple yet effective tool can help identify potential markets for investment by determining the portion of the purchase price that is covered by the annual rent. However, it's important to remember that this is an average for an entire city, and once potential markets have been identified, it's crucial to drill down into individual neighborhoods for more detailed information. This approach of using a general rule as a preliminary screening method and then chunking down from there is an effective strategy for successful real estate investing.

    • Focus on high rent-to-price ratio areas for rental propertiesInvest in rental properties in areas with high rent-to-price ratios for increased potential returns. Narrow competition by identifying specific property types and utilizing data metrics like rent-to-price ratio or cap rate, but remember these are starting points and the real work is in finding above-average properties within those markets.

      When it comes to investing in rental properties, it's important to focus on areas with a high rent-to-price ratio rather than low days on market. This strategy helps narrow down the competition and increase potential returns. Another key step is to identify the specific type of property you're looking for, such as houses with ample square footage and bedrooms, which can be modified to fit your needs. Utilizing data and metrics, like rent-to-price ratio or cap rate, can help guide your search, but it's essential to remember that these metrics are just starting points and that the real work comes in finding properties above average within those markets. The process of investing in real estate involves a funnel approach, with the broadest part being the initial search and the narrowest part being the final transaction, where due diligence and agent assistance are crucial. In summary, comparing markets and using data can help guide your investing, but the real success comes from finding properties above average within those markets and working closely with an agent to ensure a successful transaction.

    • Expert Analysis for Real Estate Investing During a RecessionWhile some markets show promise for new investors, becoming an expert in one market is crucial for success. Rent declines are possible during a recession, but the long-term trend of growth is expected to resume.

      While certain real estate markets have shown promising returns based on specific rules like the 1% and 50% rule, this analysis does not guarantee strong returns in every deal or imply poor performance in other markets during a recession. The goal of BP Insights is to provide valuable data for real estate investors to make informed decisions. Some markets worth considering for new investors include Cleveland, Ohio, Arlington, Virginia, and Memphis, Kansas City, Missouri. However, it's essential to focus on becoming an expert in one market instead of spreading investments thin. Regarding rents, there's a common misconception that they never decrease. While some markets have shown rent growth during the COVID-19 crisis, others are experiencing rent declines. The decline might be temporary as landlords struggle to fill vacancies, but the long-term trend of rent growth is expected to resume once the economy recovers. New listings are currently priced about 3-4% lower than before, indicating a potential short-term decline in rents. To stay informed and access unique data, consider subscribing to the BiggerPockets Wealth Magazine, which is published every other month and offers valuable insights for real estate investors.

    • Tenants perceiving lower rents as good dealsEconomic uncertainty causing tenants to view minimal rent decreases as valuable, potentially reducing vacancy rates but raising concerns for long-term landlord finances

      The current economic uncertainty is leading tenants to perceive lower rent prices as good deals, even if the actual decrease is minimal. This psychological effect could help reduce vacancy rates, but it also raises concerns about potential long-term financial implications if tenants stop paying rent and the government fails to provide assistance for landlords. The drastic decrease in properties coming off the market in some areas, such as New York, indicates that tenants may be resigning their leases or not moving at all, which could have both positive and negative consequences. It's crucial for landlords to stay informed about government policies and prepare for various scenarios to mitigate potential financial risks.

    • Perspective and Preparation for Potential Economic DownturnsKeep things in perspective, prepare for potential economic downturns by storing money, keeping healthy reserves, and considering investment area stability.

      While the current flu situation is serious and should be taken seriously, it's important to keep things in perspective and avoid excessive fear or panic. The flu, like any other, can spread and cause harm, but it's not unprecedented and won't necessarily cause an economic collapse. Instead, we should view this as a warning sign and prepare for potential economic downturns by storing money, keeping healthy reserves, and considering the stability of the area where we invest. Additionally, for those who may not be as experienced with interpreting data, simple calculations and metrics like vacancy-adjusted rent-to-price ratio and income-to-price ratio can provide valuable insights into a market's performance.

    • Analyzing Rent, Tenant Income, and Market Trends for Real Estate InvestmentsUnderstanding the relationship between rent, tenant income, historical market trends, and industry stability is essential for informed real estate investment decisions. Accessible data sources like the Case Shiller index can provide valuable insights.

      When considering real estate investments, it's crucial to analyze the relationship between rent and tenants' income, historical market trends, and industries that may be affected by economic downturns. A lower income-to-rent ratio indicates tenants have more financial reserves, making them less susceptible to economic fluctuations. Historical data, such as the Case Shiller index, can provide insights into market trends during past recessions. Additionally, markets with a low percentage of population working in the service industry and those less reliant on tourism may be more stable investments. This information is accessible to anyone, and understanding these factors can help make informed real estate investment decisions, even without extensive data analysis expertise. BiggerPockets' new offering is a valuable resource for those looking to delve deeper into the data-driven side of real estate investing.

    • Gathering Data and Utilizing Efficient Tools for Successful Real Estate InvestingEffectively gather data, analyze trends, and use tools like Host Financial and Relay for financing and 1031 exchanges through First American Exchange Company to optimize taxes and grow your real estate portfolio.

      Successful real estate investing involves a combination of common sense, thorough research, and utilizing efficient tools and services. During the initial stages of problem-solving or market analysis, it's essential to gather as much data as possible and understand the local context, including government actions and local business trends. Exploratory data analysis is a valuable approach in data science that can be applied to real estate investing without any specialized training. Additionally, when it comes to financing, working with lenders that offer easy qualification processes and streamlined transactions can save investors significant time and effort. Host Financial and Relay are examples of such lenders and financial service providers. Another essential aspect of real estate investing is tax optimization, and 1031 exchanges, as facilitated by companies like First American Exchange Company, can help investors defer capital gains taxes while growing their portfolios. In summary, a successful real estate investor employs a strategic approach that involves gathering data, understanding market trends, and utilizing efficient tools and services to streamline the investment process.

    • Uncertain economic climate presents opportunities in real estate and stock marketDespite challenges, uncertain economy offers opportunities for real estate wholesaling and stock market investments. Don't let barriers discourage, see them as learning experiences.

      Despite the current uncertain economic climate due to COVID-19, it can still be a good time to invest in the stock market or start a real estate business, particularly wholesaling. Volatility in the market can create opportunities for finding good deals. For those looking to start a wholesaling business, there may be a larger pool of prepared investors seeking opportunities. Brandon's analogy of working hard and facing challenges in real estate investments holds true - when it's difficult, there's often more opportunity. As Brandon mentioned, successful business people often look for barriers to entry and competition, making it worthwhile to tackle harder investments. Overall, the key takeaway is to not let the challenges discourage you, but rather see them as opportunities to learn and grow.

    • COVID-19 may change housing preferencesThe pandemic might lead to a more balanced distribution of population between urban and suburban areas due to safety concerns and remote work options, but high-paying jobs and urban amenities may still attract people to cities.

      The COVID-19 pandemic may lead to a shift in housing preferences, with people showing more interest in suburban areas or less densely populated cities due to the desire for more space. However, this trend might not be as significant as anticipated, as high-paying jobs and urban amenities continue to draw people to large urban centers. Additionally, the pandemic has highlighted the importance of safety and isolation, leading some to prefer suburban living, especially as more companies allow remote work. However, it's important to note that the extent of this trend will depend on the specific area and the nature of the jobs available. Overall, the pandemic may bring about a more balanced distribution of population between urban and suburban areas.

    • The importance of perseverance in real estate investingStay committed to real estate investing despite obstacles, make it a priority in life, and remain focused on goals even during challenging economic environments.

      The importance of perseverance in real estate investing. Dave Meyer emphasized that there will be numerous obstacles along the way, but it's crucial to stay committed and make it a priority in one's life. He also shared his favorite books, including "Start With Why" by Simon Sinek, and revealed a humorous anecdote about attributing quotes to oneself. Despite living in Amsterdam and being unable to fully experience the city's wildness, Dave remains focused on his goals and encourages listeners to do the same, even during challenging economic environments. To learn more about Dave and engage with him, listeners can visit his profile on BiggerPockets.com.

    • Finding the right real estate agent is crucial for success in real estate investingUse BiggerPockets Agent Finder to connect with local market experts and make informed investment decisions, essential for new and experienced investors.

      Finding the right investor-friendly real estate agent is crucial for success in real estate investing. This was emphasized during a recent episode of BiggerPockets Radio, where Dave Meyer shared his experiences and insights. The market may be volatile, but the goal of financial freedom remains constant. With BiggerPockets Agent Finder, investors can quickly connect with local market experts who can help navigate neighborhoods, analyze numbers, and build confidence in making informed decisions. This free resource is available at biggerpockets.com/deals, and it's an essential step for both new and experienced investors looking to get into the game or take their investment strategies to the next level. Remember, it's not about timing the market perfectly; it's about being in the market and making informed decisions. So, visit biggerpockets.com/deals today and find your investor-friendly agent to get closer to financial freedom.

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