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    • Affordable Luxury and Ethical ManufacturingCompanies like Olive and June, Quince, and Happy Tammy Company provide high-quality products at affordable prices and emphasize ethical manufacturing. Olive and June offers salon-quality manicures for $2, Quince provides luxury essentials with ethical manufacturing at 50-80% less, and Happy Tammy Company focuses on gut health and real bread for IBS relief.

      There are companies like Olive and June and Quince that offer high-quality products at affordable prices. Olive and June provides a salon-quality manicure system at just $2 per manicure, while Quince offers luxury essentials with ethical manufacturing at 50-80% less than similar brands. Meanwhile, in the world of food and wellness, Karen O'Donohue's Happy Tammy Company emphasizes the importance of gut health and real bread to alleviate IBS symptoms. Additionally, the conversation highlighted the significance of soil health for producing nutritious foods and preventing ill health. Overall, these discussions offer valuable insights into accessible luxury, ethical manufacturing, and the importance of gut and soil health.

    • The importance of understanding our food's origins and soil healthBuilding up soil instead of digging down and local purchasing are crucial actions to address climate change through the connection between food, farming, and community.

      The connection between farming, food, and community is more important than ever. Three years ago, at a healthy living event, I was struck by Dr. Hazel's genuine and eloquent advocacy for understanding our food's origins and the importance of soil health. Her championing of bread, a staple in human history, resonated with me, especially in the context of dietary restrictions. Recently, I moved to a new place with challenging soil conditions, which required me to build up the soil instead of digging down. This experience, along with the concept of "weather weirding," has reinforced my belief that small, community-based actions, such as better farming practices and local purchasing, are crucial in addressing climate change. The connection between food, farming, and community is a powerful one, and it's through this connection that we can make a difference.

    • Post-WW2 Agricultural Practices: Monoculture and Yield Over HealthSince WW2, agricultural practices shifted towards monoculture, yield maximization, and heavy use of chemicals, eroding soil health and biodiversity. A return to traditional, diverse farming practices could promote sustainability and better nutrition.

      The agricultural practices implemented after World War 2, particularly in Britain, led to a significant reduction in the number of crop varieties grown and a focus on yield at any cost. This resulted in the widespread use of herbicides, pesticides, and hybrid seeds, which often have short roots and require heavy machinery for harvesting. Over time, this has led to the eradication of natural structures that support plant growth and soil health. Today, 60% of the world's seeds for legal trade are owned by just four companies, and the focus on yield has come at the expense of sustainable and healthy farming practices. The speaker argues that a shift back towards traditional, diverse farming practices and a focus on soil health could lead to more sustainable and nourishing food production.

    • Reviving heritage seeds and diverse farming practicesReviving heritage seeds and diverse farming practices supports soil health, offers more nutritious food options, and connects us to our past

      The current agricultural system prioritizes yield over the health of the soil and the environment, leading to the reliance on chemical inputs and monoculture farming. However, there is a growing movement towards heritage seeds and diverse farming practices, which not only support the health of the soil but also offer a deeper connection to our past. These practices include growing a variety of crops, known as land races, and using heirloom seeds that have been passed down for generations. Some farmers are even sourcing seeds that date back thousands of years. These practices not only benefit the environment but also offer more nutritious and diverse food options. For bakers, working with heritage grains can provide a renewed sense of excitement and stimulation, requiring adjustments to baking techniques and offering a deeper connection to the food we consume.

    • Nourishing the World through BakingBaker values nourishing people, admires farmers, uses organic, locally sourced ingredients, and has a deep appreciation for ancient grains and seeds.

      The art of baking and food production is a meaningful and nourishing way to make a mark on the world. The speaker, who is a baker, emphasizes the importance of nourishing and feeding people, and expresses admiration for farmers who share this value. The speaker also highlights the significance of using organic, locally sourced ingredients, such as rye, which not only adds flavor but also provides health benefits. The speaker's dedication to using ancient grains and seeds, sourced from places like BreadLab in Washington and Austria, adds to the complexity and uniqueness of their bread. The speaker's passion for their craft and the thoughtfulness behind their ingredients can be compared to the way a sommelier approaches wine, with a deep appreciation for the microclimate, growers, and complexities of the final product.

    • Appreciation for natural and ancient food production methods in baking and winemakingConsumers prefer naturally fermented bread and naturally farmed wine, but education and transparency are crucial to ensure understanding. Embrace less aesthetically pleasing loaves and ancient grains in baking, while natural methods in winemaking allow deeper soil absorption.

      There is a growing appreciation for natural and ancient food production methods in both the baking and wine industries. This includes the consumption of naturally fermented bread from small bakeries and naturally farmed wine. Only a small percentage of bread and wine produced globally adheres to these methods. The speaker expresses a personal preference for these products and believes there is a resurgence of interest in them. However, education and transparency are necessary to ensure consumers understand what they are buying. In the world of baking, the speaker advocates for embracing less aesthetically pleasing loaves and the use of ancient grains like Einkorn. In winemaking, natural methods allow the vines to reach deeper into the soil to absorb essential minerals and vitamins. The speaker also uses a rice starter for his bread-making process due to its ability to acidify the flour and enhance nutrient absorption. The use of multiple starters can further improve the health benefits of the end product.

    • From personal health journey to creating nourishing breadIndividual's passion for preventative medicine and belief that food is medicine led them to study food science and create nourishing bread with optimal taste.

      For this individual, the art of creating nourishing and flavorful bread is driven by a deep commitment to both health and taste. Starting from a young age, their experiences with family and health issues led them to a passion for preventative medicine and the belief that food is medicine. This passion eventually led them to study food science and focus on creating bread that not only provides essential nutrients but also delivers an amazing taste experience. Their approach is rooted in the belief that function and flavor are equally important, and they are constantly expanding their knowledge to create the best possible products. From their background in horticulture to their personal health journey, this individual's dedication to nourishment and flavor is a testament to their unique perspective and commitment to their craft.

    • Balancing nutrition with intuition, common sense, and scienceConsume adequate fiber from whole grains, prioritize dietary variety, consider digestive benefits of flavors and ingredients, avoid dietary fads, and use ingredients like barberry and calamansi vinegar for added flavor and digestive aid.

      A balanced approach to nutrition, combining intuition, common sense, and scientific knowledge, is essential for creating a diet that works for individual needs. The speaker, a nutrition expert, emphasized the importance of consuming adequate fiber, particularly from whole grains like bread, for those with IBS. She also highlighted the value of variety in one's diet, as well as the importance of considering the digestive benefits of different flavors and ingredients, such as acidity and bitterness. The expert shared her personal experience of using mathematical equations based on gut bacteria preferences to develop recipes, particularly bread, for optimal fiber intake. She encouraged avoiding fads and extremes in dietary choices and instead focusing on a balanced, whole foods-based approach. Additionally, she mentioned the benefits of using ingredients like barberry and calamansi vinegar for adding flavor and aiding digestion.

    • The impact of bread production on healthChoose bread made from ancient grains grown organically for positive health benefits, while industrial bread may cause negative effects for those with gluten issues.

      The way we perceive and consume bread significantly impacts our health. The industrial production of bread, which makes up the majority of what is consumed in the UK, often involves the use of commercial wheat that has been treated with herbicides and pesticides. This type of bread, while aesthetically pleasing, can cause negative health effects for those with gluten intolerance or celiac disease. On the other hand, bread made from ancient grains, grown organically, can have positive health benefits. The complexities of traditional bread-making processes, such as sourdough, contribute to the nutritional value and digestibility of the final product. By understanding the origins of our bread and making informed choices, we can make bread a part of a preventative medicine way of living.

    • Fresher grain and traditional methods lead to better breadChoosing fresher grains and traditional baking methods can result in healthier and more flavorful bread

      The quality of ingredients and the processes used in making bread significantly impact its nutritional value and overall quality. Starting from the source of the grain, it's essential to know that the fresher the grain is when it's milled, the better for the bread's nutritional content. Ancient or heritage grains, grown without the use of herbicides, are preferred for their rich nutrient content. The use of sourdough starters is crucial in bread making as they help break down the phytic acid in the grain, making essential minerals like iron and zinc more bioavailable. Traditional stone-ground milling methods are also favored as they preserve more enzyme activity and nutrients in the flour. The parallels between the importance of preserving enzyme activity in bread making and oil extraction are striking. Ultimately, understanding these factors and choosing artisanal bakeries that prioritize traditional methods can lead to healthier and more flavorful bread.

    • Modern Food System's Nutrient Deficiency CrisisThe modern food system's focus on yield and monoculture farming has led to a loss of nutrient-dense foods and an increase in the consumption of fortified and chemically-laden alternatives, contributing to a nutrient deficiency crisis.

      Our modern food system is failing to provide adequate amounts of essential nutrients like iron and zinc, primarily due to the lack of consumption of whole grains, nuts, seeds, and legumes. This issue is compounded by the widespread use of fortified foods and the increased reliance on monocultures, herbicides, and pesticides. The agricultural system's shift towards prioritizing yield at any cost since World War 2 has led to the loss of thousands of seed varieties and the commoditization of food. The consolidation of seed ownership in the hands of a few corporations and governments' focus on certification have further limited the diversity of food production. Organic eating is crucial to avoid consuming food laden with harmful chemicals, but it's not always accessible to everyone. It's a complex issue with political and economic implications, but the importance of consuming a varied, nutrient-dense diet cannot be overstated.

    • Regulations and High Costs Hinder Farming DiversityGovernment regulations and high costs limit farmers' ability to grow diverse crops and introduce new seeds, but partnerships with universities, seed banks, and other organizations can help. Supporting farmers who prioritize soil health is essential for a sustainable food system.

      The current food system is heavily regulated and favors large corporations, making it difficult for small, well-intentioned farmers to introduce new, diverse crops and seeds. This is due in part to government regulations that limit the types of seeds farmers can grow and the high costs associated with bringing new varieties to market. However, there have been efforts to encourage more diversity in farming through the revival of heirloom varieties and the entrepreneurial spirit of some farmers. These farmers have found success through partnerships with universities, seed banks, and other organizations. While the global food system has contributed to this issue through homogenization and a focus on large-scale agriculture, it's important to remember that our food is essentially "reconstituted soil." This means that the health of the soil is crucial to the health of the food we eat and the overall ecosystem. By supporting farmers who prioritize soil health and diversity, we can help create a more sustainable and resilient food system.

    • Optimizing Soil Health for a Better Food SystemMoving away from monoculture and excessive use of herbicides and pesticides, practicing crop rotation, using compost and seaweed, respecting regional challenges, and striving for local and organic farming can lead to healthier soil and more nourishing food.

      The health of our food system starts with the health of our soil. For optimal soil health, it's crucial to move away from monoculture and overuse of herbicides and pesticides. Instead, practices like crop rotation and using compost and seaweed can help restore the soil's mineral concentration and biome. It's essential to respect the unique challenges and opportunities of different farming regions and the farmers who dedicate their lives to understanding them. While yield is a valid concern, we must not sacrifice soil health for it. Instead, we should strive for a more local and organic approach to farming, which can lead to healthier, more nourishing food for future generations. It's a complex issue, but the future of our food system depends on it.

    • The importance of soil diversity for crop healthUnderstanding the food chain from soil to table and promoting politically stable conditions are crucial for a sustainable and healthy food system. Conscious eating that respects the entire food chain, whether plant or animal-based, is essential.

      The health and robustness of our crops depend on soil diversity. The devastation caused by World War II, which led to the destruction of farms and vineyards, underscores the importance of politically stable conditions for agriculture. While plant-based diets have their merits, they may not provide the soil with the necessary nourishment that animal composition brings. The Eat Lancet Commission's ideal diet recommendations have been criticized from both sides, with some arguing for more plant-based options and others advocating for the inclusion of healthy animals and their waste in the soil. Ultimately, conscious eating that involves understanding the source and process of our food, whether plant or animal-based, is essential for a sustainable and healthy food system. The speaker emphasizes the importance of respecting the entire food chain, from soil to table, and acknowledges the complexities and challenges of creating a truly sustainable and ethical food system.

    • Understanding our connection to food through personal experiencesPersonal experiences can deepen our respect for sustainable farming practices and the food chain. It's essential to consider individual circumstances and needs when discussing food and health, and to prioritize self-education and critical thinking.

      Our relationship with food and the way we obtain it can have a profound impact on our understanding and appreciation of it. A personal experience of preparing and farming an animal led to a deeper respect for the food chain and the importance of sustainable farming practices. It's crucial to consider the unique circumstances and needs of individuals and communities when discussing food and health, as what works for one person may not be relevant for another. Additionally, the influence of external factors and information can easily sway people towards certain diets or practices, highlighting the importance of self-education and critical thinking. Ultimately, respecting the environment, ourselves, and animals involves making informed decisions and treating them with care and consideration.

    • Understanding and adapting to life's changesApproach others with empathy, respect, and understanding. Adapt to personal changes and collaborate for positive community impact.

      Our needs and perspectives change as we grow older, and it's essential to approach others with empathy and respect when offering advice. The speaker shared her personal experience of how her body and mind have evolved over the years, and how she's learned to adapt to these changes. She emphasized the importance of understanding where people are coming from and meeting them where they are, rather than imposing our beliefs on them. The speaker also highlighted the power of small actions and collective efforts in creating positive change in local communities, whether it's through revolutionizing the farming industry or addressing mental health issues. Ultimately, she encouraged a mindset of collaboration, listening, and mutual growth.

    • Effective communication and understanding require active listening and acknowledging perspectivesActive listening and respecting others' perspectives leads to meaningful conversations, relationships, and personal growth.

      Effective communication and understanding involve active listening and acknowledging the perspectives of others. This approach can lead to more meaningful conversations and relationships, as demonstrated by the speaker's personal experiences with nutrition and her journey to create the Happy Tummy Company. The speaker shares how she has always believed in open-minded listening, especially from her background in medicine, and applies this mindset to various debates and arguments. She emphasizes the importance of acknowledging that people are at different stages in their journeys and understanding their unique perspectives. This approach was crucial for the speaker when dealing with her own IBS, which led her to create the Chia Tefloaf recipe based on extensive research. Her personal experiences and the success of the recipe motivated her to leave her job and share her knowledge with others through a talk at Shorted House. Thus, the key takeaway is that effective communication and understanding require active listening and respect for others' perspectives, which can lead to personal growth and positive change.

    • Starting a business out of empathyEmpathy and determination led a woman to create a successful bread company despite challenges in finding a baking space and securing investment, by staying true to her values and persevering.

      Determination and empathy can lead to the creation of a successful business. The speaker, inspired by the desire to help people suffering from chronic IBS, started a bread company after a talk she gave was met with overwhelming demand. She began baking with the help of a cleaner, and the business quickly grew, with neighbors and delivery drivers becoming customers. However, as the operation expanded, she faced challenges in finding a suitable baking space and securing investment. Despite these hurdles, she held firm to her business morals and eventually found a solution that allowed her to continue growing the company on her own terms. This story illustrates the importance of staying true to one's values and the power of perseverance in building a business that makes a positive impact.

    • From London to a farm sanctuary: A journey to good health and connecting with food's rootsA woman leaves the wellness industry to start a farm sanctuary, focusing on ancient grains and natural wine, inspired by her personal health journey and a desire to connect with food's origins.

      The speaker, driven by a passion for good health and a desire to connect with the roots of food production, left the wellness industry in London to create a sanctuary for like-minded individuals. She comes from a farming and horticulture background and wanted to touch the soil again, grow her own ingredients, and get closer to the farmers who produce them. Additionally, she discovered a personal connection to natural wine after experiencing relief from constipation while in India. Combining her love for bread, cheese, and wine, she plans to open a toasted cheese sandwich bar in Sussex, bringing together the stories of the winemaker, cheese maker, and bread maker. The speaker's journey, marked by overcoming IBS and pivoting her business, resonated with the interviewer due to its engaging narrative. When she started the Happy Tummy Co, ancient grains like teff were not as accessible as they are today, making teff her primary focus due to its organic farming practices and regional variations.

    • Exploring ancient grains for improved nutritionChoose high-quality, organic ancient grains for better nutrition and health benefits. Connect with local bakeries and food producers for transparency and quality ingredients.

      Choosing high-quality, organic, and ancient grains like teff for your food production can significantly improve the nutritional value and health benefits of your final product. The speaker's personal journey towards using teff as the core ingredient in her bread was driven by its ancient origins, better sustainability practices, and the naturally occurring minerals and vitamins it offers. As more heritage and ancient grains become accessible, it's essential to prioritize conversation and transparency with local bakeries and food producers to understand their sourcing practices and ingredient quality. The speaker's personal journey towards organic food began as a response to a family health concern and has evolved into a passion for well-sourced and high-quality ingredients. For those starting their journey towards better ingredient choices, the speaker suggests seeking out local bakeries, having conversations with producers, and researching food blogs for transparency and quality information. Ultimately, the ability to change our food landscape lies in our hands, and being informed and engaged consumers is a crucial step towards making a difference.

    • Exploring sustainable and organic practicesFollow blogs, visit rewilding estates, support local businesses, and practice organization for a healthier, more fulfilling lifestyle.

      Transparency and engagement with brands, especially those focused on sustainable and organic practices, can lead to a healthier and more spiritually fulfilling lifestyle. The speaker highly recommends following blogs and visiting rewilding estates to learn about these practices firsthand. Additionally, organization is crucial for implementing new healthy habits, even for those with busy schedules. The speaker's personal practices include supporting local bakeries, consuming organic produce, and incorporating lean meats and pasta into her diet. Overall, the speaker's passion for food and wellness shines through, emphasizing the importance of making conscious choices and connecting with the people and places behind our food sources.

    • The importance of good quality food for health and disease preventionSupport organic initiatives for better food quality, educate yourself on soil health, and consume organic when feasible.

      The quality of the food we consume plays a significant role in optimizing human health and preventing disease. Soy is particularly important, and trying to access good quality organic produce, even through local farming and innovative companies, is encouraged. While it may not be feasible for everyone to consume only organic food, the ability to shape the future food landscape exists through supporting these initiatives. Additionally, self-education on soil quality is important. Remember to check out the doctor's kitchen podcast for more information and join the newsletter for weekly science-based recipes and lifestyle tips. A special mention goes to 1800 Flowers for helping us celebrate life's special occasions with love, and Quinn for offering high-quality essentials for travel at affordable prices, all while maintaining ethical manufacturing practices.

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    Snacksize 21: The “Mediterr-Asian” diet

    Snacksize 21: The “Mediterr-Asian” diet


    Today’s snacksize Doctor’s Kitchen podcast is about the beauty of Brassica vegetables and the MediterrAsian diet. I sat down with medical Dr William Li on episode #235 to talk about food as medicine from coffee, to alcohol to herbs and spices. In this segment we talk about the MediterrAsian diet and what that means to William Li.


    Can simply changing your diet affect your metabolism to prevent weight gain and prevent type 2 diabetes? We talk about this and more on the full episode that you can listen to or watch on YouTube.


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    #189 How to Create Better Soil, Happier Farmers and Healthier People with Thomasina Miers

    #189 How to Create Better Soil, Happier Farmers and Healthier People with Thomasina Miers

    It was an absolute pleasure to host Thomasina Miers on the podcast today. Entrepreneur, cook, TV personality, activist, writer and so much more. There isn’t much that this incredible person can’t do.


    Like many of us, she learnt to cook at her mothers side and after attempting to forge a career in advertising, journalism, digital consultancy, she followed her heart and went to cookery school.

    Fast forward a few years, after travelling the world, she went on to win Masterchef and create Wahaca inspired by the food markets of Mexico during her trips.


    Tommi cares deeply about where our food comes from, how it is grown, supports the soil, biodiversity and the planet and believes everyone should have access to good ingredients.


    I learnt so much more about Tommi and we chat about:

    • The importance of soil
    • How the Chefs in Schools charity is changing what our children eat
    • How Groove Armada sold his record rights and started an organic farm
    • Why the ancient Mayan civilisation disappeared


    Remember you can check out Tommi’s incredible book “Meat Free Mexican” which has some glorious dishes and her regular column in the Guardian.


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    123: What is Happening in Biologicals for Pest Management and Plant Health

    123: What is Happening in Biologicals for Pest Management and Plant Health

    Consumer demand for transparency and sustainability of their food system is leading to more and more agrochemical restrictions to address concerns for pollinators, noenicitinoids, and drift. Additionally, ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) investors are putting pressure on the chemical industry to improve their metrics. Pam Marrone, Founder and CEO of Marrone Bio Innovations outlines the market, status, and potential for biologicals in this excerpt from our 2020 Sustainable Ag Expo.

    Bringing a new pesticide to market can cost upwards of 300 million dollars and takes an average of 21 years. These challenges have big companies looking at new technologies like biologicals. Bringing a biological to market costs five to 10 million and can be accomplished in three to four years.

    Growers are seeing that using an integrated solution creates a better final product. Biologicals offer new modes of action, the ability to spray up until harvest, and short reentry times. Plus, they can allow growers to improve soil health and reduce greenhouse gasses.  

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    #178 Prescribing Fruit & Vegetables with Jonathan Pauling

    Jonathan Pauling is chief executive of the Alexandra rose charity, whose vision is for everyone to have access to healthy and affordable food and whose mission is to give families access to fresh fruit & vegetables in their communities.


    I hadn’t come across the charity before, but our values are so aligned! It was founded in 1912 by Queen Alexandra and established to support Londoners in poverty. Inspired by a priest in her native Denmark selling roses to raise money for those in need, Queen Alexandra brought the idea back to the UK.


    In a landmark study that started a few months ago, they are trialling rose vouchers that are exchangeable for healthy fruit and vegetables from street market vendors in deprived areas. This latest trial is on the back of years of work across other areas in the UK and pilots where they’re also involved in cooking workshops and healthy start vouchers for families with young children. Something that Johnathan mentions on the podcast today really hit home to me. He said we can’t just tackle financial inequality, we have to tackle health inequality.


    And from previous schemes they’ve already demonstrated that simply increasing fruit and vegetable consumption can lead to improvements in energy, digestive health and reduced the reliance on processed foods. That isn’t to say this is a cure-all for poverty, but it’s definitely something we should be looking at to “level up”.


    I’ve wished for the ability to prescribe healthy food and this study could pave the way for that reality.


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    Farm Sanctuary on Factory Farming, Ag-Gag Bills, Health & Consumer Choice

    Farm Sanctuary on Factory Farming, Ag-Gag Bills, Health & Consumer Choice
    Today on the show I sit down with Gene Baur — activist, best-selling author and president & co-founder of Farm Sanctuary, the first animal rescue organization dedicated to farmed animals. You might have seen him in the documentary Forks Over Knives*. And I'd be remiss in not mentioning his is a pretty darn good marathon runner prepping for his first Ironman this summer (on a plant-based diet of course). I've had plenty of vegans with strong points of view on the program. But this was the first time I have interviewed a true animal rights activist. I'm certainly not an expert in this area, but Gene is such a great guy, he made it easy. I'm the first to admit that my original reasons for going vegan were far more selfish than ethical. But the more educated I become about how our food system functions to deliver meals to our plates, the more sensitive and attuned I have become to the indelible power of marketing; the extraordinary lengths to which BigFood and their adjuncts on Capitol Hill will go to keep the public immunized from the harsh realities of factory farming; and the unnecessary and horrific treatment of farm animals that inevitably results. Please understand — I take no moral high ground. But as my awareness of this issue continues to broaden, I do feel a certain imperative to cast light on what I perceive as exceedingly cruel abuse on a systemic level. In my very humble opinion, our current system is both untenable and unsustainable in the long term. There is a better way. And Gene is a great ambassador of a worthy message warranting our objective attention. If you come to this interview with a different perspective on this issue, I understand. And it's fine. Believe me, I get it. I ask only one thing – that you please listen with an open and mind. Thanks. And enjoy the show! Rich