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    #46 - Tencent's Chief eXploration Officer, David Wallerstein on WeChat, QQ, and Gaming

    en-usNovember 10, 2017

    Podcast Summary

    • A Belief in China's Economic Importance and Cultural Adaptability Leads to SuccessBelieving in a country's potential and adapting to its culture can lead to significant opportunities and success.

      David Wallerstein, the Chief Exploration Officer at Tencent, was drawn to China in the 1990s due to his belief in its growing economic importance and his ability to adapt to new cultures. He went from living in Japan as an exchange student to studying China's trends and eventually becoming a management consultant for foreign companies looking to enter the Chinese market. In 1999, he began working with Naspers, a company looking to invest in China's internet market, and has since played a significant role in Tencent's growth into one of the world's largest internet and gaming companies. This experience highlights the importance of cultural adaptability and the potential opportunities that come from understanding global trends and economies.

    • Realizing the value of communication tools in social networkingRecognizing the strategic value of emerging technologies and building strong relationships with entrepreneurs can lead to successful partnerships and significant investments.

      The early stages of social networking were not immediately recognized for their potential value beyond page views and user engagement. However, a pivotal moment came when Ma Huateng of Tencent in China refused an acquisition offer from NASPERS, leading Ma to realize the importance of communication tools like OICQ that connected the entire Chinese internet. Ma's persistence in demonstrating value to Tencent ultimately led to a successful partnership and the acquisition of a significant stake in the company. This story underscores the importance of recognizing the strategic value of emerging technologies and the importance of building strong relationships with innovative entrepreneurs.

    • A successful relationship between Naspers and Tencent built on trust, respect, and shared visionTrust, respect, and a shared vision can build a long-lasting relationship between a company and its investors, allowing for continued growth and success without going public or getting acquired.

      A successful and long-lasting relationship between a company and its investors can be built on trust, mutual respect, and a shared vision for the future. This was exemplified by the partnership between Naspers and Tencent, which began 17 years ago when Naspers invested in Tencent. The founders of Naspers were committed to being good shareholders and getting out of the way, allowing Tencent to focus on building its business. This approach led to a unique model where Naspers sold a significant portion of its equity but remained involved in the company through executive roles and board representation. Throughout Tencent's evolution from a messaging app (QQ) to a multifaceted tech giant, the company continued to prioritize user experience and innovation. Naspers' trust in Tencent's leadership and commitment to its vision allowed the company to expand into new areas, such as gaming and social media, while maintaining its market dominance. This successful partnership serves as a model for complex shareholder relationships and a reminder that going public or getting acquired is not the only option for founders. Instead, a nuanced relationship with a trusted investor can lead to continued growth and success.

    • Tencent's success with QQ: Ubiquity and Long Usage TimeTencent's QQ became profitable through offering mobile services and leveraging user needs in China's market, driving growth through innovation and user understanding.

      Tencent's success with QQ was built on its ubiquity in the Chinese market and the long average usage time of its users. QQ started as a PC-based instant messaging service, but it also offered presence functionality, allowing users to see if their contacts were online. This was valuable in a time before smartphones, as users often logged in from internet cafes and wanted to know if they could reach their contacts in real time. Tencent innovated by offering mobile QQ services, which required users to pay a monthly fee but drove significant revenue and growth. The company became profitable in 2001 and has remained so ever since, expanding its presence across mobile networks in China and driving growth through innovation and user understanding.

    • Tencent's Success with QQ: Focus on User Engagement and Value-Added ServicesTencent's revenue model for QQ relied heavily on user payments for premium features, with only a small percentage coming from ads. User engagement and value-added services were key to the app's success in the Chinese market.

      Tencent, a Chinese tech company, built its success on the messaging app QQ by focusing on user engagement and value-added services. The app's users spent an average of four hours logged in daily, making it a constant presence on their desktops. Monetization was a challenge due to user dislike of ads, so Tencent relied on users paying for premium features, which included customizable QQ numbers and other added benefits. These value-added services were crucial to the company's revenue model, with 90% coming from user payments and only 10% from ads. Tencent's strategy of prioritizing user experience and offering premium features resonated with the Chinese market, where numbers hold cultural significance and the ability to stand out was important.

    • Leveraging Premium Services and Localization for MonetizationUnderstanding users deeply and offering premium features & status reduced churn and increased revenue. Localization and building more value from services helped compete against larger competitors.

      Tencent's success in monetizing its instant messaging platform, QQ, was driven by offering premium services and localization. The premium services gave users extra features and status, reducing churn and increasing revenue. Tencent's commitment to understanding its users better than anyone else through customer engagement methods was a key factor in its success. Additionally, the company went local and focused on building more value from services to compete against larger competitors like Microsoft, who bundled their messaging service into the operating system. Tencent's founders' focus on people and caring about users was a personal driving force behind the company's establishment and success.

    • Founders' deep connection to users and filling a gap in Chinese mediaThe founders' user-centric approach and filling a significant gap in the Chinese media landscape were key contributors to the company's success.

      The founders of a major Chinese internet company in the late 1990s and early 2000s were deeply connected to their users and saw a significant gap in private media and services in China. They responded to the company's success by feeling a sense of responsibility and deep curiosity to understand their users' needs. The company filled a vacuum in the Chinese media landscape by bringing private capital and entrepreneurship to media and connections for consumers. They used various methodologies, including learning from companies like Intuit, to deeply understand their users and their lives. In a nutshell, the founders' user-centric approach and filling a significant gap in the Chinese media landscape contributed to the company's success.

    • Understanding user needs and delivering value through interconnected servicesTencent's success came from deeply understanding user needs and delivering value through interconnected services, constantly iterating and finding new ways to connect them.

      Tencent's success in the tech industry came from their deep understanding of user needs and their relentless pursuit of delivering value through interconnected services. They went beyond surface-level product development and asked fundamental questions about why users wanted certain features. For instance, they discovered that users wanted to feel appreciated and build relationships online. Based on this insight, they created avatars and other services that catered to these needs, constantly iterating and finding new ways to connect them. This strategic approach led to an intricate web of product experiences that competitors found hard to replicate.

    • Integration of products and services at TencentTencent's success comes from strategic integration of products and services, creating an ecosystem of value, leading to innovative features and user experience transformations.

      Tencent's success comes from more than just building different products; it's about the real integration across each product and service that increases the value, creating an ecosystem of value. This strategic integration started with QQ in 2002, leading to innovative features like news updates and pop-ups. With WeChat, an internal development, the company continued this approach, fostering a mobile-first IM service and driving value-added services like music to transform the user experience. The executives played a key role in reducing friction and making quick decisions to accelerate integrations. This focus on integration has allowed Tencent to scale and innovate, setting them apart from competitors.

    • Tencent's adaptability and learning from past experiencesTencent's success in mobile messaging and gaming is rooted in its ability to adapt to market trends and learn from past experiences, leading to a seamless user experience and successful products.

      Tencent's success in the tech industry can be attributed to its ability to adapt and learn from past experiences. This is evident in their approach to mobile messaging with QQ and WeChat, as well as their early attempts in gaming. In the late 2000s, Tencent recognized the shift towards mobile and pivoted by developing a mobile-first messenger while still supporting QQ. This was a unique move at the time, as most PC messengers did not make the transition to mobile first. Similarly, when it came to building value-added services around WeChat, Tencent leveraged its decade-long experience in platform services to create a seamless user experience. In the gaming sector, Tencent faced early failures but persisted, eventually finding success with games that resonated with users. Their initial attempts were characterized by spectacular failures, but they continued to experiment and learn. The company's agility and willingness to adapt to user preferences and market trends have been key factors in its continued growth and success.

    • Tencent's Success in Gaming: Prioritizing User Experience and AdaptabilityTencent's success in gaming comes from prioritizing user experience, adapting to market demands, and integrating complementary services.

      Tencent, as a gaming company, prioritizes user experience and feedback over a fixed design vision. They found success in their casual gaming experience, which complemented their text-based chat app QQ, providing a deeper level of interaction. However, their international expansion faced challenges due to skepticism from Western gaming companies. A turning point came with the signing of licensed games like Crossfire and Dungeon and Fighter, which took off and demonstrated the potential of Tencent's network in games. Despite their initial struggles, Tencent's ability to adapt and evolve, while still embracing their older products, has made them a unique and successful company in the gaming industry. Additionally, their integration of various services, such as Vchat, increases user value and sets them apart from competitors.

    • Exploring profitable niches in China's gaming marketTencent's success in China is attributed to identifying profitable niches, replicating business models, vast market with diverse user base, and a mission to use technology to improve lives.

      Tencent, a leading tech company in China, has been successful in scaling quickly by identifying profitable niches in the gaming market and replicating their business model. The Chief Exploration Officer, a title adopted by the speaker, represents his role in pushing the company's boundaries and exploring new opportunities. The speaker emphasizes the vast market in China, with its diverse user base and unmet needs, as a significant factor in Tencent's growth. Additionally, the company's mission to use technology to improve people's lives and its focus on understanding emotional needs have set it apart in China's competitive tech landscape. The speaker's personal goal is to continue exploring new frontiers within Tencent and contributing to the company's global impact.

    • Exploring tech solutions for a healthier planetA team is using VC approach to find tech solutions for healthier living, considering both personal and external factors, and focusing on biggest challenges and latest trends.

      Technology can play a significant role in helping individuals live healthier lives, but it's important to consider the environmental ecosystem in which they live as well. The individual's health is influenced not only by their personal health factors but also by external factors such as air pollution, water quality, and food contaminants. To address these issues, a small team, acting like venture capitalists, is exploring potential solutions by focusing on the world's biggest challenges and the latest trends in technology. They spend half their time thinking about problems and the other half acting like VCs, looking for great entrepreneurs, technologies, and products that can make a positive impact on the planet and its inhabitants. By understanding fundamental trajectories such as population growth and resource distribution, they aim to forecast the future and create a more resilient planet.

    • Exploring new areas of innovation at TencentTencent's exploration team identifies challenges, finds tech companies, and merges disparate fields for meaningful solutions

      Tencent, a leading technology company, is constantly exploring new areas of innovation by identifying and addressing the world's biggest challenges. From agriculture to artificial intelligence, energy to transportation, Tencent's exploration team is dedicated to finding companies that can tackle these issues using cutting-edge technologies. The team's approach is rooted in a willingness to learn and adapt quickly, drawing on past experiences and skills from various industries. For instance, when Tencent entered the gaming industry, the team had no prior knowledge but managed to learn the ropes and succeed through determination and curiosity. By focusing on problems and applying their expertise, Tencent aims to catalyze the merging of seemingly disparate fields into the broader ecosystem, ultimately contributing to meaningful solutions and positive impact.

    • Tencent's investment approach in agriculture and resilienceTencent invests in agriculture and resilience areas with a market-driven philosophy, contributing to feeding the population, and maintaining optionality through diverse teams and strategies.

      Tencent, as a leading technology company, approaches investments in agriculture and resilience-related areas with a market-driven philosophy and multiple teams. The intention behind these investments is not solely for profits, but also to contribute to feeding the population. Tencent has approximately 70 companies under direct management, with more managed by other teams, and investments made in various areas by different teams. The company's approach allows for a diverse range of strategies and perspectives, providing optionality for the executive team and the company as a whole. Tencent's M&A team also engages in investments, and companies may be approached by multiple investment teams. This philosophy enables Tencent to stay adaptable and responsive to market changes.

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