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    592: BiggerNews April: How to Counter the Biggest Risk of 2022's Real Estate Cycle w/Doug Lodmell

    enApril 05, 2022

    Podcast Summary

    • Innovative real estate solutions for low budget investorsInvest in discounted new rental properties with Rent to Retirement, manage vacation homes with Vacasa, thoroughly screen tenants with RentReady, and be comfortable with risk for financial freedom.

      There are innovative solutions in the real estate market that allow investors to get started with little to no money down. Rent to Retirement, for instance, offers new construction turnkey rental properties at discounted prices and investor loans with low down payment options. Meanwhile, Vacasa simplifies the process of owning a vacation home by managing it and earning homeowners more revenue. Another key takeaway is the importance of thorough tenant screening, which is now easier than ever with RentReady's new proof of income verification feature. Lastly, being comfortable with risk is crucial for successful real estate investing. Understanding and planning for potential risks can lead to better decision making and financial freedom.

    • Navigating Fear with a PlanHaving a well-thought-out plan can help mitigate the paralyzing effects of fear and enable confident decision making in uncertain situations.

      Having a well-thought-out plan can help you navigate fear and make confident decisions in uncertain situations. Doug made an insightful point during the conversation that fear impairs our ability to think clearly and make good decisions. He used the example of encountering a bear in the woods, where fear triggers a primal response to take immediate action. However, in more complex situations like investing, having a plan in place can help mitigate the paralyzing effects of fear and enable you to take calculated actions. The new podcast, "The Market," aims to help investors stay informed and confident by providing insights on current events, government policies, and emerging trends in real estate. By understanding the broader context, investors can make more informed decisions and mitigate the risks associated with not taking action. The quick takes segment of the show will provide a platform for experts to share their perspectives on top news stories and help listeners make sense of their implications for the housing market and investing strategy.

    • Housing market sees record low active listings and rising mortgage ratesThe housing market faces a decrease in listings and increasing mortgage rates, but a market crash is unlikely, offering potential opportunities for buyers

      The housing market is experiencing a significant decrease in active listings, reaching an all-time low of 456,000, which is 24% lower than the previous year. This trend is expected to continue as houses sell faster than new listings come on the market. Mortgage rates, on the other hand, have been skyrocketing, with the 30-year fixed rate climbing from 3.1% at the start of the year to 4.5% as of March. Despite this, a market crash is unlikely, as sellers are not quick to lower their prices unless their homes remain unsold for an extended period. Instead, potential buyers may see less competition and a potential window of opportunity in the coming months. Lastly, Lenders 1 Cooperative announced plans to lease retail space in Walmart to sell mortgages and related services, sparking amusement from some. Overall, these trends indicate a dynamic and evolving housing market, with potential opportunities for those willing to navigate the changes.

    • Mortgage companies try unconventional marketing in retail storesMortgage companies compete fiercely, exploring retail stores for new customers, despite mortgage applications' complex nature. Asset protection is crucial in long-term investing, with estate planning and syndicating deals being essential components.

      Mortgage companies are exploring unconventional marketing strategies, such as setting up branches in retail stores like Walmart, to increase foot traffic and attract customers. This strategy is unusual since mortgage applications typically require extensive documentation and are not a common purchase made during a shopping trip. This could be a sign of the intense competition in the mortgage industry, as companies look for new ways to maintain volume with refinancing activity declining and interest rates rising. On a different note, Doug, a real estate investing expert, emphasized the importance of asset protection in long-term investing. He shared that his father's success in real estate came from both estate planning and syndicating deals, but their investors faced financial difficulties during the S&L crisis, leaving the general partner responsible for handling creditor claims. This experience underscores the importance of understanding common-sense ways to protect assets and prepare for various market conditions.

    • Limiting control over assets through structures provides effective asset protectionUsing limited partnerships, LLCs, and multiple LLCs can create hurdles for creditors, preventing them from easily collecting on judgments and protecting assets

      Limiting control over assets through structures like limited partnerships and LLCs can provide effective asset protection. Creditors of non-controlling members can only obtain charging orders, which do not allow them to force distributions or foreclose on the partnership interest. This principle, which was discovered by the speaker's father in the late 1980s, has been used to help investors protect their assets and prevent creditors from collecting on judgments. The key is to create enough hurdles for creditors that they will eventually give up on their attempts to collect. Asset protection strategies also include using multiple limited liability companies to separate assets into different buckets. This is a common tool for real estate investors and is an essential part of protecting wealth.

    • Using Multiple Tools for Effective Asset ProtectionStart with an LLC for real estate investing, but consider additional layers of protection like a holding company and asset protection trust as investments grow. Popular holding company states offer stronger charging order protection, while trusts provide the most robust protection.

      Effective asset protection for real estate investors involves using multiple tools beyond just an LLC. An LLC is a good starting point due to its simplicity and affordability, but as investments grow, additional layers of protection such as a holding company and an asset protection trust become necessary. The choice of state for a holding company can offer stronger charging order protection, with popular options being Nevada, Wyoming, Delaware, and Arizona. An asset protection trust is the most robust tool, providing an extra layer of protection when all else fails. It can be set up fully offshore, fully domestic, or as a hybrid bridge trust. While the specific tools and timing will depend on an investor's asset level and risk, it is generally best practice to start with an LLC from the beginning of one's real estate investing journey. The cost and complexity of setting up and maintaining these structures should not deter investors, as the long-term benefits far outweigh the initial investment.

    • Financing real estate through a personal loan without bank's knowledgeWhile possible, financing real estate through a personal loan and transferring it to an LLC without bank's consent can lead to legal issues. Proper planning, due diligence, and solid partnership agreements are crucial to minimize risks.

      When it comes to financing real estate through a personal loan and then transferring the property into an LLC without informing the bank, it's a risk worth taking based on practical experience. The bank may technically have the right to enforce the due on sale clause, but in most cases, they won't bother checking. However, investors should be aware of common pitfalls that can lead to legal trouble, such as over-leveraging on deals and entering into poorly structured partnerships without a solid agreement in place. These issues can cause significant problems, especially during economic downturns or when partnerships dissolve. Ultimately, it's crucial to prioritize proper planning and due diligence to minimize risks and protect your investments.

    • Protecting Your Assets: Peace of Mind Amidst Unforeseen CircumstancesAsset protection strategies like setting up an LLC and good tenant screening can help shield you from unexpected events and provide peace of mind, allowing you to focus on growing your business and living your life.

      Even if you're successful in business or real estate, you're always just one unexpected event away from a catastrophic loss. This could be in the form of a car accident, a lawsuit, or any number of other unforeseen circumstances. While these events may only happen to a small percentage of people, the consequences can be devastating and far-reaching. Asset protection, such as setting up an LLC, can help shield you from these risks and provide peace of mind. It's important to consider the potential risks and the impact they could have on your assets, especially as you accumulate more wealth. By taking a proactive approach to asset protection, you can focus on growing your business and living your life without the constant worry of what could go wrong. Additionally, good tenant screening is a crucial part of property management to minimize potential risks and ensure a successful rental property business. RentReady's new feature, proof of income verification, makes tenant screening more efficient and effective, giving landlords an added layer of protection.

    • Revolutionizing Real Estate Investing with TechnologyConfidently screen tenants with data-driven decisions using RentReady, simplify banking with Relay, find off-market deals with PropStream, and leverage investments with depreciation and bank financing.

      Technology is revolutionizing various aspects of real estate investing, from tenant screening to banking and finding deals. RentReady offers a solution for confident tenant screening, allowing landlords to say goodbye to gut feelings and hello to data-driven decisions. Relay simplifies the process of opening a business bank account for your property online, with no monthly fees or minimums. For finding off-market deals, PropStream is the leading real estate data provider, offering accurate comps, lead automation, and marketing tools. Douglas, a seasoned real estate investor and lawyer, emphasizes the appeal of real estate investment due to its unique advantages, such as depreciation and the ease of obtaining leverage from banks. These technological advancements and fundamental investment principles can help investors navigate today's market and assess risk more effectively.

    • Managing Risks in Real Estate InvestmentsConsider decreasing leverage, analyze rents and income, and protect assets to mitigate risks in real estate investments during economic uncertainty and potential market cycle shifts.

      While real estate can be a good investment due to its limited supply and constant demand, the use of excessive leverage can lead to significant risks, particularly during market downturns. Leverage increases carrying costs and can result in negative equity if property values decrease, leading to potential foreclosure and financial instability. The current economic climate and potential signs of a market cycle shift should encourage investors to consider decreasing their leverage, analyzing their rents and income, and protecting their assets to mitigate potential risks. The lessons from the 2008 financial crisis serve as a reminder of the importance of prudent financial management in real estate investments.

    • Managing risk in real estate investing with leverageAssessing each deal's risk individually, having a reserve, and considering economic conditions and cash flow can help ensure safety and success in real estate investing with leverage.

      Managing risk in real estate investing, particularly with leverage, is crucial. The bank doesn't care about your business and you'll pay it back one way or another. Having less debt can provide headroom during market downturns, allowing you to sell properties, reduce debt, and even inject more cash to save the rest of your portfolio. However, having no leverage also means missing out on potential opportunities. Interest rates are historically low, and taking advantage of them with leverage can increase returns. But, it's essential to assess each deal's risk individually, considering factors like economic conditions and cash flow. Ultimately, having a reserve or fuel in your tank can help ensure safety and success in real estate investing.

    • Lock in low interest rates and maintain cash reservesInvestors should consider keeping cash reserves to maintain financial flexibility and offset high leverage despite low interest rates

      Real estate investors should consider locking in low interest rates and maintaining cash reserves to offset high leverage. While it may be tempting to borrow maximally due to low rates, maintaining cash ensures financial flexibility and protection against market fluctuations. Real estate investors often struggle with holding cash due to the constant urge to invest, but having a cash cushion is essential for weathering financial storms. The current economic climate is uncertain, and interest rate hikes can be seen as a way to slow down the economy, making it important for investors to be prepared for potential market changes. By following this advice, investors can mitigate risk and ensure long-term financial stability.

    • Protecting assets during uncertain economic timesBe aggressive in saving and buying property, protect assets with cash reserves, understand risk tolerance, and seek wise counsel from experienced investors.

      During uncertain economic times, it's essential to be aggressive in saving money and buying property while also aggressively protecting those assets. Fear should not be a motivator for decisions, and conscious, intentional actions are key. Asset protection, such as keeping cash reserves, is crucial in mitigating fear and allowing for better decision-making. Understanding one's risk tolerance and having buy-in from loved ones are also vital. Young investors, in particular, should heed the wisdom of experienced investors to avoid making costly mistakes.

    • Real estate investing's built-in boundaries make it safer compared to other investment classesReal estate investing's requirements for significant effort, resources, and bank involvement limit potential loss and provide asset protection

      Real estate investing, despite its risks, has built-in boundaries that make it less prone to explosive growth and potential loss compared to other investment classes. The BRRR method, for instance, can act as a fail-safe by limiting an investor's ability to take on too many bad deals at once. Real estate requires significant effort and resources, making it a slower but potentially safer means of building wealth. In contrast, investments like crypto, forex, NFT trading, and even day trading in stocks have fewer barriers, increasing the risk of losing everything. The banks' role as partners in real estate investing adds another layer of safety, as they provide a vote of confidence in the deal and require documentation and proof of income. While there are potential risks, such as institutional investors making lending easier and spurring irrational exuberance, the hurdles in real estate investing can be used to an investor's advantage for asset protection.

    • Managing risk in real estate investingBe aware of potential risks and have a solid plan in place to manage them effectively in real estate investing, as risk is inherent in every decision we make.

      Real estate investing carries risk, but so does not investing. The key is to have a plan for managing that risk. As the speaker mentioned, the next few years could bring significant changes to the market, making it essential to be prepared. Protecting assets from lawsuits and finding the right balance of leverage are two practical ways to mitigate risk. It's also important to remember that risk is inherent in every decision we make, whether it's investing in real estate or not. The goal is not to eliminate risk but to manage it effectively. By being aware of potential risks and having a solid plan in place, investors can navigate the market confidently and successfully grow their portfolios.

    • Being prepared for potential risks can help overcome fear in investingUnderstand market fluctuations are inevitable, have a solid plan, and be mentally prepared for market downturns to achieve long-term success in investing

      Having a plan and being prepared for potential risks can help overcome fear in investing. Both legally and mentally, it's essential to understand that market fluctuations are inevitable and being prepared for them can lead to long-term success. As Doug mentioned, being deliberate and investing with a clear plan is crucial in today's market. Despite the risks, the potential rewards make it worthwhile. So, whether you're a seasoned investor or just starting, it's important to have a solid plan in place and be mentally prepared for market downturns. Remember, you can't get the reward without taking a risk. Stay informed, stay prepared, and stay invested. Additionally, check out BiggerPockets Agent Finder to help navigate the market and find an investor-friendly agent to guide you on your real estate investing journey.

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