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    #654 - J Michael Bailey - Activists Tried To Get This Study Banned

    enJuly 15, 2023

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    • Study on Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria Retracted Amid ControversyControversy led to retraction of study on rapid onset gender dysphoria, but downloads and media coverage have since increased.

      The study of human sexuality, particularly in relation to gender identity, can be a highly contentious and politically charged topic. J. Michael Bailey, a professor of psychology at Northwestern University, experienced this firsthand when his study on rapid onset gender dysphoria was retracted by the publisher due to pressure from transgender activists. The study, which was published open access, has since gained significant attention, with over 100,000 downloads and extensive media coverage. The retraction, which Bailey considers a sham, has only served to increase the article's reach. The study explored the concept of rapid onset gender dysphoria, a phenomenon that has seen a surge in cases of gender dysphoria in recent years. Despite the controversy, Bailey encourages readers to download and read the article for themselves, as the retraction does not affect the content or accessibility of the research.

    • New cases of gender dysphoria among adolescent girlsRecent studies suggest that some girls develop gender dysphoria during adolescence, often with pre-existing mental health issues, and may regret their transition, but more research is needed to clarify the underlying causes.

      There is a growing subset of gender dysphoric cases, particularly among adolescent girls, who did not exhibit signs of gender dysphoria in childhood but developed these feelings during adolescence. These girls often had pre-existing mental health issues, which preceded their gender issues by several years. The youth most likely to socially and medically transition were those with the most problems. However, after transitioning, they reported becoming less happy, less close to their parents, and decompensating. The best predictor of transition was a referral to a gender specialist, and many parents felt pressured to transition their child. These findings are consistent with the theory of Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD), which was first proposed by Lisa Littman in 2018. The study received significant pushback, and Littman faced personal consequences. The opposing view is that the world's acceptance of trans people has changed, leading to an increase in self-identified trans individuals. While both theories have merit, further research is needed to clarify the underlying causes of the observed trend. Instead of silencing opposing views, it would be more productive for skeptics to conduct their own studies to better understand the issue.

    • Factors influencing the rise of transgender identityThe rise in transgender identity may be due to societal influences and the release of social stigma, but it's important to consider potential trade-offs and the potential for societal trends to influence individual decisions.

      The increase in people identifying as transgender or left-handed, among other things, could be due to a combination of factors including the release of social stigma and societal influences. While it's important to promote tolerance and acceptance, it's also crucial to consider potential trade-offs and the potential for societal trends to influence individual decisions. The blending of rapid onset gender dysphoria and activist theories can coexist, but it's essential to be aware of the potential for victim status to be bound up with transgender identity and the negative incentives it creates. Ultimately, beliefs and societal norms have the power to shape individuals' actions and identities, for better or worse.

    • Parallels between Recovered Memory Epidemic and Rapid Onset Gender DysphoriaBoth involve young people, influenced by external factors, with psychological risks, lack of clear definitions, and ironic beliefs leading to confusion and need for more research.

      There are parallels between the recovered memory epidemic of the 1990s and the current phenomenon of Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD). Both involve young people, primarily women, being influenced by external factors to believe in false memories or identities. In the 1990s, it was therapists who persuaded women of false memories of severe sexual abuse, and now it's peers who encourage ROGD. The psychological risk factors, such as OCD and autism spectrum disorder, may make individuals more susceptible to these influences. The lack of a clear definition and overdiagnosis of conditions like autism add to the confusion. The belief in denying biological differences between men and women, which is held by some who promote ROGD, is particularly ironic as it's the biological differences that make individuals more susceptible to these beliefs. The study of 1655 families provides valuable evidence, but more research is needed to better understand the causes and implications of ROGD. Experts like the speaker, Lisa Littman, and Ken Zucker, who have been criticized for their views, are collaborating on a new study to gather more detailed evidence.

    • Understanding Gender Identity and Sexual Orientation Through Scientific ResearchResearchers are conducting a large-scale study on the impact of gender transition on happiness and well-being, emphasizing the importance of rigorous scientific research to better understand the complexities of gender identity and sexual orientation, despite ethical challenges and historical misconceptions.

      Researchers are conducting a large-scale survey to study the impact of gender transition on happiness and well-being over a five-year period. However, the scientific process, which includes obtaining ethical approval, can be slow and frustrating. Previously, a study was retracted due to a disagreement over informed consent procedures. The researchers also discussed the typical sexual orientations of trans individuals before the concept of transitioning children became common. Most female-to-males were homosexual, while most male-to-females were either feminine males attracted to women or autogynephilic males, who are sexually aroused by the idea of being a woman. These findings highlight the importance of rigorous scientific research to better understand the complexities of gender identity and sexual orientation.

    • Understanding Autogynephilia: A Controversial Theory for Transgender IdentitiesExploring autogynephilia, a theory suggesting some transgender individuals have unique male sexuality, is crucial for personal growth and scientific knowledge, despite controversy and potential stigma.

      The concept of autogynephilia, a theory suggesting some transgender individuals are driven by a unique form of male sexuality to identify and live as women, remains a controversial topic. Critics, including some transgender activists, have attempted to suppress discussions around it due to perceived narcissistic injuries and potential stigmatization. However, the speaker, a researcher and author, argues that understanding autogynephilia is crucial for determining the best ways for affected individuals to live their lives and for expanding scientific knowledge. Despite the controversy, the speaker believes that autogynephilia is biologically rooted and not a form of pedophilia, as some critics allege. Additionally, the speaker mentions the existence of gynandromorphophilia, a sexual attraction to individuals who are natal males but have both breasts and a penis. The speaker acknowledges that the language surrounding these topics can be sensitive, but encourages open and respectful dialogue to advance scientific understanding.

    • Men attracted to transgender women and their sexualityMen attracted to transgender women aren't gay, they're sexually drawn to women, but also to transgender women. Women's sexuality is complex, with straight women being genitally indifferent and lesbians preferring female stimuli, but the existence of vestigial male arousal among lesbians is still being researched.

      There are men who are sexually attracted to transgender women, or shemales, but their preferences do not make them gay. These men get aroused by women, not men, despite being attracted to shemales. This preference is different from that of men who exclusively prefer transgender women, as the latter group may have complications in their relationships. The scientific community is still exploring the nature of this preference and its relation to sexual orientation. Regarding women's sexuality, it has been suggested that they are genitally indifferent, meaning their conscious feelings towards erotic stimuli are not strongly linked to their genital arousal. Straight women, in particular, show an indifferent pattern of genital arousal when exposed to erotic stimuli featuring women or men. However, lesbians do show a preference for female stimuli, both subjectively and genitally. The existence of a vestigial arousal to male stimuli among lesbians is a topic of ongoing research. Overall, understanding the complexities of human sexuality requires further investigation and exploration. The scientific community continues to ask hard-hitting questions and push the boundaries of knowledge in this field.

    • Historical societal roles impact women's sexual responsesWomen's sexual responses can be influenced by power dynamics and societal roles, while men's sexual orientations are generally considered more fixed. Some men have unusual sexual interests called paraphilias, and some may desire to be the object of their attraction.

      Women's sexual responses, including nonverbal behaviors, can be influenced by perceived status or power dynamics, even if they are not attracted to the man. This is due to historical societal roles where men have held gatekeeping positions for survival, reproduction, and resources. Additionally, some research suggests that women's sexual orientations may be more fluid than men's, with a higher likelihood of experiencing attraction to both men and women. In contrast, men's sexual orientations are generally considered more fixed. Furthermore, some men have paraphilias, unusual sexual interests, which can include attractions to specific objects or situations. Interestingly, some men with paraphilias may also have a desire to become the object of their attraction. These findings challenge traditional views of sexuality and highlight the complexity of human sexual behaviors and desires.

    • The Complexity of Sexuality: Outward Attractions vs. Inner IdentitiesResearch on paraphilias reveals individuals can be attracted to things externally while identifying with them internally, challenging stereotypes. Male bisexuality exists, but not all men equally attracted to both genders, and environmental factors may influence sexual orientation.

      Sexual attractions and identities can be reflected both outwardly and inwardly. Research on paraphilias, such as those related to amputees or children, shows that some individuals are attracted to these things externally, while others identify with them internally. For example, some men who are attracted to children may also identify as children themselves. This relationship between external attractions and internal identities highlights the complexity of sexuality and challenges simplistic stereotypes. Another interesting topic discussed was the existence of male bisexuality. Previous research suggested that it may not exist, but more recent studies have shown that there is indeed a subset of men who are aroused by both men and women. However, not all men who identify as bisexual truly experience equal attraction to both genders, and it can be difficult to distinguish between those who are genuinely bisexual and those who may be exploring their sexuality or identifying as bisexual for other reasons. The discussion also touched on the potential influence of environmental factors on sexual orientation. In some cultures, social and economic conditions may lead individuals to explore non-traditional sexual orientations or to abstain from sexual activity altogether. However, more research is needed to fully understand the relationship between ecological factors and sexual orientation.

    • Men's and Women's Sexuality: Influenced by Different FactorsMen's sexuality may be less influenced by cultural factors and environmental pressures compared to women's, and women's sexuality may be more complex and malleable due to various factors including cultural shifts, experiences, and visual stimuli.

      While men's sexuality may be less responsive to cultural factors and environmental pressures, women's sexuality may be more so. The speaker suggests that men's sexual orientation is less likely to change due to cultural shifts or experiences, whereas women's may be more influenced by such factors. The discussion also touched upon the blurred lines between gender presentations and sexual orientations, and the role of visual stimuli in shaping our sexual desires. The speaker emphasized that pornography, for instance, is not just about the physical action but also about the presentation, which can blur the lines between same-sex and opposite-sex attractions. Ultimately, the conversation highlighted the complexity of sexual orientation and its potential malleability in response to various factors.

    • Understanding Sexual Orientation: Debating Gender Presentation and Biological EssentialismPeople have a better-than-chance ability to discern someone's sexual orientation based on their presentation and speech patterns, with ongoing research and debate on the causes behind these observations.

      The discussion revolved around the question of what makes someone's sexual orientation, focusing on the debates around gender presentation and biological essentialism. The speaker also touched upon the topic of gaydar and the existence of gay and lesbian accents. While there is ongoing research and debate on these topics, it was suggested that people generally have a better-than-chance ability to discern someone's sexual orientation based on their presentation and speech patterns. The speaker shared personal observations on the differences in presentation between gay men and lesbians and pondered the possibility of unconscious modeling or inherent brain differences contributing to these observations. Additionally, the speaker shared anecdotes about exceptional communicators in the LGBTQ+ community, raising questions about the potential competitive advantages they might hold in certain fields.

    • Perception of mate value malleability for men and womenWomen's individual mate value is seen as less malleable but more group-dependent, while men's is more individualistic and malleable but less group-dependent. The complexity of the issue and changing cultural norms make it a challenging topic to compare and equate different forms of value.

      The perception of malleability of mate value varies between men and women, with women's individual mate value being seen as less malleable but more malleable to the group, and men's individual mate value being more malleable but less malleable to the group. This theory, which may be debatable, stems from the idea that women's mate value is more tied to their looks, while men's is tied to their accomplishments. However, the discussion also highlighted the complexity of the issue and the challenges in comparing and equating different forms of value. Additionally, the conversation touched upon the changing cultural norms and their impact on mate value and the mating crisis. Ultimately, while there may be some malleability in the current societal context, there is no clear answer on how to change it.

    • Connect with Professor Bailey's Academic WorkSearch for his papers on Google Scholar or ResearchGate, or email him directly for personalized communication.

      That if you're interested in learning more about the work of Professor J. Michael Bailey, there are several ways to connect with him. You can start by searching for his academic publications on Google Scholar using his name. Alternatively, you can visit ResearchGate, where you can find many of his papers. For more personalized communication, you can email him directly at jmhyphenbailey@northwestern.edu. The professor himself encourages reaching out to him with any questions or needs for assistance. He may not have a flashy online presence, but his academic contributions are readily accessible through these channels.

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