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    69: Enmeshment and Healthy Boundaries

    enJune 09, 2022

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    • Dr. Lisa Smith's Warm Welcome on TikTokDr. Lisa Smith, a therapist, uses the term 'doll' to create a welcoming and inclusive environment on TikTok, inspired by her father and her own use of the term. Her background in mentoring and over a decade of therapy experience makes her an effective and compassionate therapist.

      Dr. Lisa Smith, a licensed marriage and family therapist, uses the term "doll" to address her clients and audience in a warm, affectionate, and gender-neutral way. She started using this term naturally, inspired by her father and her own use of the term with her kids. With a background in mentoring teenagers and over a decade of experience as a therapist, Dr. Smith's expertise lies in understanding the body's nervous system and trauma responses in romantic relationships. She began using TikTok to give relationship advice, starting with the term "hi, doll," which resonates with her audience and creates a welcoming and inclusive environment. Dr. Smith's career transitioned to therapy after working as a high school math teacher, where she often discussed relationships with her students. Her experience and knowledge of relationships, combined with her understanding of the body's responses, make her an effective and compassionate therapist.

    • Respecting boundaries in relationshipsCommunicate openly, set clear boundaries, and consider feelings of all parties involved for healthy relationships.

      Maintaining healthy boundaries in relationships is essential, especially during challenging times. The story shared highlights the importance of respecting each other's needs and emotions, even when it may seem difficult or inconvenient. The son's actions in the situation were driven by a desire to protect his privacy and intimacy with his wife, but the way he went about it caused hurt and confusion for his mother. A healthy approach would have been to communicate openly and empathetically with all parties involved, setting clear boundaries while also considering the feelings and circumstances of others. It's important to remember that healthy boundaries don't mean neglecting the needs of loved ones, but rather finding a balance that respects everyone's emotional and physical well-being.

    • Setting boundaries in marriage and familyHonor your spouse's feelings, prioritize your marriage, and set healthy family boundaries to maintain balance and prevent disruptions.

      Setting boundaries and expressing love are not mutually exclusive. Grief and hard times do not give someone the right to override other relationships. In the discussed situation, the husband could have honored his wife's feelings and set boundaries with his mother, ensuring that their marriage remained a priority. This would have sent a clear message to his wife that she matters and their relationship is important. The husband, as the family member with the closest relationship to the person causing the disruption, holds the responsibility to set these boundaries. It's essential to recognize that the unknown duration of the situation can add stress and create a sense of being trapped. Open communication and setting realistic expectations can help manage these feelings and maintain a healthy balance between family relationships and personal ones.

    • Setting Boundaries in RelationshipsCommunicate and negotiate boundaries to maintain healthy relationships, even if it means having difficult conversations.

      Setting boundaries is essential in maintaining healthy relationships, even with loved ones. The discussion revolved around a situation where a mother was intruding on her son's marriage, leading to tension and conflict. While some people sympathized with the mother's loneliness, others believed the son and his wife needed more privacy. The key takeaway is that it's important to communicate and negotiate boundaries, even if it means having difficult conversations. In this case, the son took action by sitting down with his mother and explaining the situation to her, ultimately leading to her leaving for a while. It's important to remember that setting boundaries doesn't make you an "asshole" but rather a person who values their personal space and relationships. The age of the individuals involved and the absence of children added complexity to the situation, but ultimately, the importance of setting boundaries remained the same.

    • Building a rich, diverse life outside relationshipsMaintaining personal interests and fostering personal growth are essential for preventing feelings of emptiness or loss in life. Striking a balance between involvement in children's lives and personal pursuits is key.

      It's essential for individuals, particularly parents, to build and maintain a rich, diverse life outside their immediate relationships. This concept was illustrated through a discussion about a woman who felt overly enmeshed with her adult son, leading her to try and control various aspects of his life. The analogy of a portfolio was used to describe how having a full and varied life can help prevent feelings of emptiness or loss if a relationship or aspect of life experiences change. The importance of striking a balance between being involved in one's children's lives and maintaining personal interests was emphasized. Additionally, the societal pressure to stay within one's hometown or social circle was discussed as a potential hindrance to personal growth and the development of a fulfilling, independent life. Overall, the conversation underscored the significance of fostering personal growth and autonomy while maintaining strong relationships.

    • Parental Control and Adult Children's RelationshipsAdults must balance their relationships with their parents and partners, setting boundaries while showing empathy and understanding to maintain independence and healthy relationships.

      Overbearing parents can create complex dynamics in relationships, particularly when their adult children are considering moving in with their partners. This situation often involves the parent's fear of being alone and their desire to impose on their child's life, which can lead to emotional manipulation and toxic relationships. In the case discussed, the mother's need for companionship was causing significant stress for the couple, with the mother putting her problems on her daughter and crying whenever she went on vacations or outings with her boyfriend. The takeaway here is that it's essential for adults to establish and maintain their independence, even if it means setting boundaries with their parents. In some cases, moving in together may not be the best solution, as it can keep adults in a parent-child role and limit their freedom. Instead, it's crucial to communicate openly with both partners and parents, expressing the need for space and autonomy while also showing empathy and understanding for the parents' fears and concerns. Ultimately, it's about finding a balance that respects everyone's needs and allows for healthy, independent relationships to thrive.

    • Caring for a Parent: Balancing Love and BoundariesDuring parental care, question expectations, challenge roles, and redefine love and caring to maintain healthy boundaries.

      Caring for a parent can evoke strong emotions and create a deep bond, but it's essential to establish healthy boundaries. The dynamic between a parent and child can be complex, especially during significant life changes like divorce. As children, we may feel a sense of guilt and the desire to repay our parents for their past sacrifices. However, it's crucial to question the expectations set in our upbringing and challenge the way the table is set in our relationships. By doing so, we can redefine what love and caring look like without assuming the same role. Culture and personal experiences also play a significant part in shaping these dynamics.

    • Cultural sensitivity in working with familiesUnderstanding cultural norms is vital when working with families. Adapt to their culture, establish healthy boundaries, and approach situations with sensitivity.

      Understanding cultural norms is crucial when working with families, especially those from different cultural backgrounds. The speaker shares her experience of working with families in various parts of the world and emphasizes the importance of adapting to their culture rather than imposing one's own beliefs. In the context of multi-generational households, the speaker discusses the fine line between close-knit families and enmeshed relationships. She suggests that it's essential to have guidelines for healthy boundaries and to approach each situation with cultural sensitivity. The speaker also emphasizes the importance of introspection and asking oneself if the current situation works for us, rather than focusing on potential outcomes. Overall, the discussion highlights the importance of cultural competence and adaptability when working with families from diverse backgrounds.

    • Expressing feelings and setting boundariesCommunicate concerns with care and empathy, prioritize own well-being, set clear boundaries, and respect others' relationships.

      When faced with difficult relationships or situations, it's important to take responsibility for expressing your feelings and setting boundaries. If you're in an enmeshed relationship where you feel stuck, it's crucial to communicate your concerns instead of avoiding them. However, it's essential to approach the conversation with care and empathy, focusing on your feelings and concerns rather than being critical or judgmental. In the case of conflicting priorities or boundary issues, it's essential to set clear boundaries and communicate your expectations. Ultimately, it's your responsibility to advocate for yourself and prioritize your own well-being, even if it means making tough decisions or having uncomfortable conversations. Additionally, respecting others' relationships and prioritizing friendships can be challenging, but it's essential to find a way to coexist and make peace with the situation.

    • Setting Boundaries and Holding Friends AccountableSetting clear limits and holding friends accountable for their actions is crucial to protect relationships. True friends support and have each other's backs, but disruptive behavior should not be tolerated and consequences must be faced.

      Setting boundaries and holding friends accountable for their actions, especially when they pose a threat to a relationship, is essential. The speaker's fiancé's best friend's disruptive behavior had reached a point where the speaker felt the need to take action to protect their relationship. The speaker's stance was that the friend's actions were unacceptable and that she should be held accountable for them, either by being dropped as the groom's woman or uninvited to the wedding. The speaker believed that their loyalty to their partner should be their top priority and that true friends support and have each other's backs. The friend's behavior was not consistent with that definition of friendship. The speaker's fiancé felt that the responsibility for the friend's actions was not his, but the speaker believed that as the partner, it was his responsibility to set clear limits and make his friend face the consequences of her behavior. The speaker's stance was that the friend needed to move on from their childhood dynamic and evolve with the changing relationships.

    • Clear communication and setting boundaries in relationshipsEffective communication and setting boundaries are crucial for maintaining healthy friendships and relationships. Trust, feeling supported, and respect are essential components for building strong connections.

      Clear communication and setting boundaries are essential in maintaining healthy relationships, including friendships. The speaker's friend's decision to be a part of her ex-boyfriend's wedding despite their past conflicts sent mixed signals and raised questions about the friend's intentions and the message being sent. The friend's actions also highlighted the importance of trust and feeling supported and respected in relationships. The speaker emphasized the significance of being able to trust that one's partner or friend has their back and prioritizes them. Clear communication and setting boundaries can help prevent misunderstandings and build trust, ultimately allowing individuals to feel secure and valued in their relationships.

    • The power of communication and understanding in relationshipsEffective communication and understanding are vital in relationships, and acknowledging and responding to feedback can lead to growth and improved connections. Remember, we don't always have the full story and should approach situations with empathy and grace.

      Effective communication and understanding are crucial in relationships. The speaker emphasizes the importance of acknowledging and responding to feedback, as well as creating a safe and loving environment where both identity and safety are present. In the discussed situation, the man's fiancé realized the need for reflection and change after receiving feedback from an external source. This demonstrates the power of communication and understanding in helping individuals grow and improve their relationships. Additionally, it's important to remember that we don't always have the full story and should approach situations with empathy and grace.

    • Maintaining healthy boundaries in friendshipsFriendships can survive attractions and feelings, as long as both parties respect each other's boundaries and avoid enmeshment.

      It's natural for people to have attractions and feelings towards others, but it's important to maintain healthy boundaries in friendships. According to the speaker, males who identify as straight are more likely to be open to something happening between them and a friend of the opposite sex. However, it doesn't mean the friendship cannot continue. The speaker uses the analogy of boats to explain the importance of maintaining individuality in relationships, including friendships. By staying on your own boat and offering support from a distance, you can avoid enmeshment and prevent both boats from sinking. It's essential to recognize and manage emotions, but not let them control your actions or decisions. Ultimately, friendships can survive attractions and feelings, as long as both parties respect each other's boundaries.

    • Self-care is essential for effective relationship careEnsure your own needs are met to provide the best care, set boundaries, make difficult decisions, and find balance in relationships.

      Self-care is crucial for maintaining healthy relationships and effectively caring for others. By ensuring your own needs are met, you're able to provide the best care and attention to those around you. This includes setting boundaries and making difficult decisions, even if it means involving children in certain situations. In the complex example discussed, the woman felt powerless in her relationship and expressed her frustration to her children, leading to a complicated situation. From a psychological perspective, this behavior can be seen as a coping mechanism for dealing with feelings of resentment and a lack of control. Ultimately, the key is to find a balance between caring for yourself and caring for others, while maintaining respect and understanding within relationships.

    • Express emotions healthily during challenging timesIdentify what's within control, model healthy coping mechanisms, communicate openly with children, and explore resources to reduce stress and ensure family well-being.

      During challenging times, it's essential to identify what is within our control and find healthy ways to express emotions instead of taking it out on those around us, especially children. When dealing with complex situations like health issues and marital conflicts, it's crucial to remember that kids still need their parents and should not be made to feel like they're in the crossfire. As parents, we must model healthy coping mechanisms and communicate openly with our children about our struggles. It's also essential to explore all available resources and options, such as caregivers or respite care, to help alleviate stress and ensure the well-being of all family members.

    • Maintaining Emotional Wellbeing for ChildrenInvolve kids in arguments less, regulate emotions before communicating, set boundaries, and focus anger on situations, not people, for healthier family relationships.

      In difficult parenting situations, it's essential to consider the impact on children and maintain their emotional wellbeing. Instead of involving them in arguments or conflicts, parents can let them know that things aren't perfect but keep them out of the crossfire. Regulating one's emotions and body before communicating effectively is also crucial. Anger should be directed at the situation rather than the person, and boundaries should be set to find solutions that work for everyone. These strategies promote healthier communication and stronger relationships within families.

    • Effective communication and self-care during difficult conversationsPractice active listening, feeling heard, and self-care during arguments to prevent overwhelm and disconnection. Approach conversations with mutual respect and set boundaries productively.

      Effective communication and self-care are crucial during difficult conversations to prevent feelings of overwhelm and disconnection. The use of active listening and feeling heard can help regulate the nervous system and bring both parties back to a parasympathetic state. It's important to remember that arguments can be a necessary part of relationships and setting boundaries, but they must be approached with active listening and mutual respect. By pausing and reflecting before reacting, individuals can prevent themselves from being "bumped out of their zone" and ensure productive conversations.

    • Moments of beauty and deep connections in caregivingCaregiving can be challenging but also brings opportunities for deeper relationships and memories

      Caregiving, especially for family members, can be a challenging and painful experience. It may feel like everything is falling apart and that the situation is impossible. However, even in the midst of suffering, there can be moments of beauty and deep connections formed between loved ones. These experiences can bring families closer together and create memories that might not have otherwise happened. It's important to remember that leaning into the hard times and focusing on the heart can lead to stronger relationships. Additionally, everyone involved in the caregiving situation can benefit from showing compassion and understanding towards each other. Despite the difficulties, there is potential for growth and healing.

    • Examining feelings towards difficult relationships during pregnancyIt's important to consider societal expectations, internal feelings, potential consequences, and seek guidance when navigating complex emotions and relationships during pregnancy.

      It's essential to examine the reasons behind our feelings towards reconnecting with difficult relationships, especially during significant life transitions like pregnancy. It's okay to question societal expectations and draw boundaries based on our internal feelings. However, it's crucial to consider the potential consequences on ourselves and our children before making definitive decisions. Emotions can be heightened during pregnancy, so it's essential to give ourselves grace and not rush into making irreversible choices. Ultimately, we must listen to our intuition and prioritize our well-being. If needed, seeking the guidance of a therapist can help us navigate complex emotions and relationships.

    • Prioritizing happiness and self-careEmpower yourself to make decisions for your own happiness, even if it means facing criticism or resistance, and maintain healthy boundaries in all relationships.

      Individuals have the power to make decisions that prioritize their own happiness and well-being, even if it means distancing themselves from certain relationships or trying new things that may initially be met with criticism or resistance. This was a theme that emerged during a discussion about the importance of setting healthy boundaries, as well as the experience of a podcast host who shared her personal journey of stepping out of her comfort zone and facing backlash on social media. Ultimately, it's important to trust ourselves and our instincts, and not let fear or external pressures hold us back from living in a way that feels true to us. Additionally, the conversation touched on the idea of enmeshment and the importance of maintaining healthy boundaries in various relationships, including romantic partnerships.

    • Communication and Consideration in Sharing Living SpacesEffective communication and consideration are crucial when sharing living spaces in relationships. Make sure all parties' comfort and needs are considered to avoid misunderstandings and conflicts.

      When considering sleeping arrangements in a relationship, it's important to consider the comfort and needs of all parties involved. In the given situation, the speaker and his roommate share a bed due to financial reasons and physical limitations. When a guest, Shandy, assumed she could sleep with the speaker, the lack of available bed space led to her sleeping on the couch. This upset Shandy, who felt the speaker prioritized his roommate over her. The conversation highlights the importance of communication and consideration in relationships, particularly when it comes to sharing living spaces. If the speaker and his roommate were in a more serious relationship and wanted to prioritize Shandy's comfort, they could have made adjustments such as sleeping on the couch or finding alternative sleeping arrangements. Ultimately, the conversation underscores the importance of open communication and finding solutions that accommodate everyone's needs.

    • Sharing a bed with a friend: A cost-effective solutionFriends sharing a bed can save costs, but as relationships deepen, it's essential to communicate and make accommodations for comfort and privacy.

      Sharing a bed with a friend for an extended period of time can work if both parties have no intention of entering a serious relationship and view it as a way to save costs or simply enjoy each other's company. However, as individuals enter more serious relationships, it becomes less practical and desirable to continue such an arrangement. It's essential to communicate openly with roommates and partners about living situations and make accommodations that respect everyone's comfort and privacy. Ultimately, personal preferences and circumstances play a significant role in determining what living arrangement works best for different people.

    • OP's relationship with Daisy raises concernsOP's continued involvement with his best friend's girlfriend and their living situation is unclear, potentially crossing boundaries and causing confusion.

      The situation between OP and his best friend's girlfriend, Daisy, is complex and raises concerns about the nature of their relationship. OP's comment history suggests that he is still active on social media and has not denied being with Mike's girlfriend, leading some to believe that their dynamic may be unhealthy. Additionally, Daisy's sleep apnea could be a reason for them sleeping apart, but the living situation seems cramped and unusual for two young adults. The discussion also touches upon the high cost of living and the challenges people face in finding affordable housing. Ultimately, the situation is confusing and raises questions about boundaries, friendship, and relationships.

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