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    #70 Nurturing The Most Critical Source of Nutrition, The Soil with Abby Rose

    enSeptember 23, 2020

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    • Shopping for important purchases online with trusted companiesDesign a unique ring online with Blue Nile or purchase durable outdoor furniture from Burrow for peace of mind. In health and nutrition, recognize the need for more fruits and consider supporting regenerative farming, real food, and seed heritage.

      When it comes to making important purchases, such as a ring for a proposal or outdoor furniture, the convenience and ease of shopping online from trusted companies like Blue Nile and Burrow can provide peace of mind. Blue Nile allows you to design a unique ring with ease, while Burrow offers durable outdoor furniture. Meanwhile, in the realm of health and nutrition, it's important to recognize the limitations of our current understanding and the potential need for more fruits to obtain the same nutritional benefits as our grandparents. Regenerative farming, a topic discussed in depth on the Doctor's Kitchen podcast, is crucial for soil health, which in turn impacts the health of plants and humans. Abby Rose, a physicist turned farmer and leading voice in regenerative farming, emphasizes the importance of this movement and how consumers can get involved. Additionally, there's a growing need to focus on real food versus commodities and the significance of seed and grain heritage and sovereignty.

    • From Physics to Farming: Unexpected ConnectionsPhysics background led to farming apps, emphasizing interconnectedness and unique farm solutions.

      The speaker's background in physics, with its focus on abstract thinking and problem-solving, led her to an unexpected but meaningful connection with farming. She realized that farming is a complex discipline with numerous interconnected factors, and farmers are the decision-makers who significantly impact both the natural world and their communities. Inspired by her father's need for a better way to manage their olive trees, she used her coding skills to develop apps to help farmers observe and analyze their land, focusing on trees, agroforestry, vineyards, and soil. This side project grew into a business, Beta Cycle Farm, with the apps named Bee to Cycle, which empowers farmers to understand and assess their land's biological interactions and trends, recognizing that every farm is unique. This journey highlights the importance of lateral thinking and the interconnectedness of seemingly disparate fields, with the speaker's physics background providing valuable insights to farming.

    • Understanding Regenerative Farming and Its ImpactRegenerative farming prioritizes soil health and biodiversity, focusing on diversity in cropping systems, introducing animals, and reducing chemical reliance. Embracing this perspective contributes to a more sustainable future.

      Our consumption choices and farming practices have a far-reaching impact on local communities and the world as a whole. Regenerative farming, a relatively new term and approach, signifies a shift towards prioritizing soil health and biodiversity. This mindset extends beyond farming methods to regenerative economics and living. Regenerative farmers focus on increasing diversity in their cropping systems, introducing animals, and reducing reliance on chemicals. Soil, often thought of as just dirt or a source of nutrients, is actually a living, breathing organism that thrives on diversity and interaction with other elements. By understanding and embracing this perspective, we can make more informed choices and contribute to a more sustainable future.

    • Soil as a Complex Network of OrganismsSoil health depends on the intricate relationship between plants, microbes, fungi, and bacteria, which communicate and share nutrients and water through a network of hyphae.

      Soil is not just a collection of nutrients for plant growth, but rather a complex, interconnected network of microbes, fungi, and bacteria, often referred to as the "internet of fungi." These organisms communicate and share nutrients and water through an intricate web of hyphae, extending miles below the surface. Plants play a crucial role in this system by releasing sugars into the soil, which are used as signals for microbes to bring essential nutrients to the roots. This symbiotic relationship is essential for soil health and plant growth, and the longer and more interconnected the roots and hyphae, the better the soil quality. However, practices such as plowing and chemical applications can disrupt these networks, leading to soil degradation. It's important to recognize the impact of soil health on the entire ecosystem, including the potential effects on human health through the food we consume.

    • Understanding the connection between soil and gut microbesThe rhizosphere and human gut share similarities as hubs for microbial activity, and diversity in soil microbes and human gut microbiome is crucial for optimal health and function. Research explores the link between soil microbial makeup and the gut, and practices like crop rotation maintain soil health and introduce diversity.

      Our relationship with microbes, particularly bacteria, nematodes, fungi, and viruses, is crucial for both our health and the health of the soil. The rhizosphere, the area around plant roots, and the human gut have similarities in their role as hubs for microbial activity, facilitating nutrient transfer. Diversity in both soil microbes and human gut microbiome is essential for optimal health and function. The intriguing question of the connection between soil microbial makeup and the gut is an area of ongoing research. Additionally, crop rotation, a key aspect of regenerative farming, is necessary to maintain soil health by introducing diversity and allowing the soil to replenish nutrients. This complex process ensures the long-term sustainability of farming and the health of the crops.

    • Regenerative farming practices like crop rotation benefit both environment and farmers' income streamsRegenerative farming methods, including crop rotation, can increase nutrient density in produce and boost production of beneficial compounds, making food more nutritious and sustainable

      There is a growing movement towards regenerative farming practices, such as crop rotation, which can benefit both the environment and farmers' income streams. For instance, HOD Meddads is working with farmers to grow carlin peas as part of their rotation, which not only improves soil health but also provides an additional source of human food and income. This is particularly important as studies suggest that the nutritional value of food has been decreasing over the past few decades, and regenerative farming methods could potentially increase the nutrient density of produce. The Bionutrient Food Association and its UK subsidiary, Growing Food For Nutrition, are leading efforts to measure and deliver food with high nutrient density to consumers. While primary micronutrients like vitamins and minerals can be closely matched between different types of produce and farming methods, secondary metabolites like phytonutrients, polyphenols, and pigments vary widely and are essential for optimal health. Regenerative farming practices, such as crop rotation, can help increase the production of these beneficial compounds, making our food not only more nutritious but also better for the planet.

    • Soil health impacts nutrient density of foodThe nutrient density of food, especially phytonutrients, depends on the health of the soil it's grown in. New tools like bionutrient meters help analyze food's nutrient density but defining nutrient-dense food and assessing bioavailability require further research.

      The nutrient density of food, particularly phytonutrients, is closely linked to the health of the soil in which it is grown. Phytonutrients act as the plant's defense mechanism against external stressors, and when the communication network between the plant and the soil is disrupted, the phytonutrient production is affected. This is evident in the comparison between hydroponically grown produce and those grown in soil. The bionutrient meter, a new tool in development, aims to provide a more comprehensive analysis of food's nutrient density by looking at the spectral analysis of various molecules in the food. However, the definition of what constitutes a nutrient-dense food is still being explored through this global citizen science project. Additionally, the bioavailability of nutrients in food is another crucial factor that affects our health, and while the bionutrient sensors and meters can provide some insights, further research is needed to assess this aspect effectively.

    • Reconnecting farmers to the purpose of their work: nourishing populationsThe future of farming may shift from mass production to nourishing populations, reconnecting farmers to their work and the food chain through regenerative practices

      The future of farming could lie in shifting the focus from mass production to nourishing populations. This concept, while it may seem unconventional, has the potential to reconnect farmers with the purpose of their work: providing food for people. Many farmers express feelings of disillusionment with the current system, where they produce crops that are then shipped off and their connection to the food chain is lost. The idea of measuring farming output in terms of nutritional value per acre for humans could reinvigorate farmers and bring joy back to their work. Regenerative farming, which focuses on soil health, biodiversity, and reducing inputs, is gaining popularity as an inclusive practice that doesn't require farmers to abandon their current methods entirely. However, critics argue that intensive industrial farming is necessary to feed the world. Regenerative farming, while not a perfect solution, offers a more inclusive and less dogmatic approach to sustainable agriculture. It's about asking questions and making improvements, rather than adhering to strict rules or labels.

    • Small-scale farms produce majority of world's foodSmall-scale farming using regenerative practices produces most of the world's food, challenging the need for industrial farming to feed the population.

      The food system we have today, which is heavily reliant on large-scale industrial farming for commodity production, is not the most effective way to feed people. Small-scale family farms, which use only 30% of the world's agricultural resources, actually produce 70% of the world's food. This perspective challenges the common belief that industrial farming is necessary to feed the growing population. Furthermore, regenerative farming practices like intercropping can lead to higher yields and less fertilizer usage. Seed banks play a crucial role in preserving diverse seed varieties and ensuring food sovereignty. However, there are controversies surrounding the control and accessibility of these seed banks, leading to a new movement towards grain sovereignty and the revival of heritage grains. These shifts towards more sustainable and locally focused farming practices can lead to a food system that prioritizes feeding people rather than just producing commodities.

    • Seed regulations limiting seed diversityRegulations restricting seed diversity can lead to reliance on inputs and artificial environments, while promoting diversity can result in more adaptable, sustainable crops

      Seed regulations, intended to protect farmers and produce quality, have inadvertently led to a lack of seed diversity. These regulations require seeds to be genetically stable, uniform, and distinct, making it difficult for farmers to save and share non-registered seeds. This has negative consequences for the environment, as it may result in a reliance on inputs and artificial environments to maintain crop health. Contrarily, promoting seed diversity, as pioneered by Professor Martin Wolf, can lead to more adaptable crops that can better withstand rapidly changing climates and reduce the need for external inputs. Wolf's work at Wakelands Agroforestry in Suffolk, England, involved breeding a population wheat by crossing various modern wheat varieties, resulting in a field filled with unpredictable characteristics and improved yield and quality. This approach emphasizes the importance of embracing seed diversity and allowing for the natural evolution of crops to ensure long-term sustainability.

    • Promoting Genetic Diversity in Wheat FieldsEmbracing seeds with genetic variation is crucial for building resilience against environmental challenges, and efforts are being made to encourage the growth of heritage wheat varieties for regenerative agriculture.

      Promoting genetic diversity in wheat fields is crucial for building resilience against various environmental challenges, including pests, diseases, and climate change. Monoculture farming, which relies on seeds with identical genetics, leaves fields vulnerable to complete destruction when faced with these threats. By contrast, having a population wheat field with diverse genetic makeup allows some plants to survive while others are affected, ensuring the overall continuity of the crop. This insight highlights the importance of moving away from monoculture and embracing seeds with genetic variation, particularly in the face of an ever-changing climate. Additionally, efforts are being made to bypass regulations impeding the trade of unlisted seeds and encourage the growth of heritage wheat varieties, which have not undergone monocultural breeding and thus possess more genetic diversity. This trend is driven by the demand from bakers for these grains and the potential for regenerative agriculture, which nourishes the soil rather than depleting it. As the agricultural landscape shifts post-Brexit, there is an opportunity for change, as 60% of UK farm income currently comes from subsidies, and farmers are paid very little for their produce. This situation calls for a reevaluation of the subsidy system and a move towards fairer compensation for farmers, which could lead to a more sustainable and diverse agricultural sector.

    • Post-Brexit agricultural changes in the UKThe UK is transitioning from a land-based subsidy system to an environmental land management scheme, but farmers face challenges in compensation and preventing lower-standard imports, including potential GMOs and gene editing.

      Post-Brexit, UK farmers are facing significant changes in their subsidy system and the potential influx of lower-standard agricultural imports. Currently, farmers receive subsidies based on the amount of land they own, but the UK government plans to shift towards an environmental land management scheme, where farmers are paid for providing public goods like improved water quality and increased biodiversity. However, this transition comes with challenges, such as finding a fair compensation system for farmers and preventing the import of lower-standard agricultural products, especially from countries with less stringent regulations like the US. The potential introduction of genetically modified organisms (GMOs) and gene editing in UK agriculture is another contentious issue, with concerns about monoculture and potential new problems arising from these technologies. Overall, these changes require careful consideration and public engagement to ensure sustainable agriculture and food standards in the UK.

    • Focusing on regenerative farming for a sustainable futureRegenerative farming promotes biodiversity, reduces gene editing and reliance on commercial seeds, and supports soil health. It's a more sustainable alternative to monoculture farming and GMOs.

      Our current technological and scientific progress, particularly in agriculture through the use of monoculture farming and genetically modified organisms (GMOs), is unsustainable and not working for many people. Instead, we should focus on regenerative farming practices that nourish the land and promote biodiversity. Regenerative farming allows crops to naturally evolve, reducing the need for constant gene editing and the reliance on commercial seed systems. Furthermore, the commercial seed system, which is linked to GMO and gene editing, produces genetically identical seeds, limiting diversity. Additionally, the use of herbicides and pesticides in GMO farming contributes to soil and biodiversity degradation. It's important to note that over half of the GM crops grown in the world do not go towards feeding human beings, but rather for energy, biofuels, or animal feed. Overall, we need to reconsider our approach to agriculture and prioritize sustainable, regenerative practices that work with nature rather than against it.

    • Balancing the Perspectives on GMOs in AgricultureStrive for a balance between the need for GMOs to feed the world and respect for small-scale growers' control over their food systems, while considering planetary boundaries and supporting diverse, sustainable food production

      The debate surrounding Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs) in agriculture is complex and multifaceted, with valid concerns from both sides. On one hand, some argue that GMOs are necessary for feeding the world and reducing reliance on expensive, privileged food systems. On the other hand, small-scale growers want control over their food systems and the ability to use traditional growing methods. It's important to acknowledge that there is a need to strike a balance between these perspectives and work towards building diverse, nourishing food systems that honor human beings and support local communities. Additionally, the larger context of planetary boundaries and the current mass extinction event underscores the urgency to find sustainable solutions for food production that benefit everyone, rather than perpetuating inequality or causing further harm to the environment.

    • Connecting daily food choices to sustainabilitySupport sustainable farming networks, buy directly from farmers, reduce meat consumption, and opt for ethically-raised meat to contribute to a more sustainable food system.

      Our daily food choices are connected to the planetary boundaries and the mass extinction happening around us. We're all in this together, and it's crucial for us to come together and learn from those who are already making a difference. Consumers have the power to make a change by supporting sustainable farming networks and buying directly from farmers. Websites like Farms to Feed Us and Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) schemes can help consumers connect with local farmers and make a positive impact. Additionally, reducing meat consumption and opting for higher quality, ethically-raised meat when consumed can also contribute to a more sustainable food system. By making these choices, we can start to engage with the complexities of the food system and support a vision for a more nourishing and sustainable future for ourselves and the planet.

    • Supporting Regenerative Farming: More Than Just Eating the ProduceBy prioritizing regenerative farming, we respect farmers as caretakers of the earth, contribute to social justice, and promote healthier food options and a sustainable future

      Supporting regenerative farming goes beyond just consuming the produce. It's about being part of a system that respects and values the work of farmers as caretakers of the earth. Regenerative farming not only offers healthier food options but also contributes to social justice by acknowledging the historical roots of sustainable farming practices, particularly those of Black farmers. To learn more, consider starting with the book "Farming While Black" by Leah Penniman, which provides practical tips and a refreshing perspective on the importance of farming as a means of liberation and connection to the land. Additionally, many butchers and online suppliers offer meat from regenerative farms, and organizations like Farms to Feed Us can help connect you to these sources. By prioritizing regenerative farming, we recognize the interconnectedness of our food systems, our health, and the planet.

    • Exploring the Importance of Food and Soil Health for Optimal WellbeingFocus on nutrient-rich foods and ethical manufacturing for optimal health and wellbeing. Prioritize soil health for a healthier food supply.

      When it comes to optimizing health and longevity, it's crucial to consider the quality of the food we consume. This topic was explored in a recent conversation, emphasizing the importance of thinking about the health benefits of the food we put into our bodies. The conversation led to the topic of soil health, which is expected to gain more attention in a post-pandemic world. It's essential to prioritize the health of our bodies by focusing on the nutrients we consume. Additionally, the discussion touched on the importance of ethical and responsible manufacturing when it comes to fashion. Quince was mentioned as a brand that offers high-quality fashion essentials at affordable prices while prioritizing safe and ethical manufacturing practices. Overall, the conversation highlighted the importance of making conscious choices in various aspects of our lives, from food to fashion, to optimize our health and wellbeing.

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    The Everything Ranunculus Episode with Dave Dowling of Ball Colorlink

    The Everything Ranunculus Episode with Dave Dowling of Ball Colorlink

    Host Jennie Love is joined again Dave Dowling of Ball Colorlink. Dave was on Season 1 of the podcast to discuss tulips in detail.  Check out that episode if you haven't already. 

    This time we're talking for an hour about ranunculus cultivation. Because, you know, that's probably what you're doing right now! We cover a lot of ground in this episode, from considerations when ordering corms to pre-sprouting, variety selection, growing in crates(!!), harvesting, storing, and considerations for profitability. 

    In this show, we mention culture sheets for ranunculus that can help give some guidance for growers trying to dial in their ranunculus program.  Here are three for your review: 

    https://www.unicornblooms.com/_files/ugd/73dfff_99320cb9eef54d1ba16fdd290cd9375f.pdf

    http://64.41.82.172/pdfs/Ranunculus-Brochure-2017.pdf

    https://www.green-works.nl/site/assets/files/10803/cult__info__ranunculus_butterfly_for_cut_green_works-1.pdf

    Also mentioned in the intro of this show is our upcoming No-Till Flowers FIELD DAY!  Join Jennie at her farm in Philadelphia on April 16th for a hands-on invigorating learning experience where you'll connect with many other flower farmers passionate about regenerative growing practices.  Below is the link to purchase your ticket.  If you can't make it to this event, stay tuned for another in July.  

    https://www.shoplovenfreshflowers.com/product/no-till-flowers-field-day

     

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    Southern Plains Podcast #53, Aliza Wasserman-Drewes, Exec. Director, RIPE

    Southern Plains Podcast #53, Aliza Wasserman-Drewes, Exec. Director, RIPE

    In this episode of the podcast we visit with Aliza Wasserman-Drewes, Executive Director of Rural Investment to Protect our Environment (RIPE), an organization working to develop programs that reward farmers and ranchers for good stewardship on the land.  We talk to Ms. Wasserman-Drewes about the work of the group, their focus and what she sees as the benefits of soil health and regenerative agriculture.

    Teasing Apart the Woo-Woo: Biodynamic Farming with Teton Full Circle Farm

    Teasing Apart the Woo-Woo: Biodynamic Farming with Teton Full Circle Farm

    Host Jennie Love talks with Erika Eschholz & Ken Michael from Teton Full Circle Farm in Idaho about what it means to be a biodynamic flower farm.  We get into both the practical parts of biodynamics and the woo-woo.  

    Erika and Ken were gracious enough to provide a long list of resources for listeners who want to learn more about biodynamics: 

    Books
    Grasp the Nettle By Peter Proctor
    Agriculture by Rudolf Steiner
    Gardening for Life by Maria Thun
    The Biodynamic Way by Maria Thun
    A Biodynamic Farm by Hugh Lovel
    Biodynamic Gardening by Monty Waldin

    Calendars
    The Maria Thun Biodynamic Almanac 2022 (be sure to get the edition appropriate for your area- e.g. The North America Edition)
    Stella Natura 2022 Biodynamic Planting Calendar Edited by Sherry Wildfeuer

    Organizations
    Biodynamic Demeter Alliance (formerly The Biodynamic Association and Demeter USA)

    Resources
    The Josephine Porter Institute for Applied Biodynamics
    Biodynamic Source
    What is Biodynamics? by Ken Michael and Erika Eschholz

     

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    Exploring the Science Behind Natural Farm Inputs With Author, Nigel Palmer

    Exploring the Science Behind Natural Farm Inputs With Author, Nigel Palmer

    Host Jennie Love sits down with former aerospace engineer turned author, Nigel Palmer, to discuss his outstanding book The Regenerative Grower's Guide to Garden Amendments.  Nigel has done a superb job of putting the science behind homebrewed natural inputs like those touted in Korean Natural Farming and JADAM practices.  Nigel tells us how we can conduct our own citizen science to be better regenerative farmers.  

    The process for testing your own liquid mineral amendments can be found here on Nigel's website.  

    Nigel's upcoming workshops can be found here.  

    Nigel's YouTube channel has a growing collection of informative videos on how to make your own natural regenerative inputs.  

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