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    79. Nadhim Zahawi: Iraq, Conservatism, and why he backed Boris Johnson

    enJune 13, 2024

    Podcast Summary

    • Nadim Zahawi's life experiencesNadim Zahawi's childhood in Iraq and his family's distinguished background influenced his deep affection for Britain and shaped his political career, leading him to serve as a junior minister, a cabinet minister, and briefly as Chancellor of the Exchequer.

      Nadim Zahawi's life story, marked by his childhood in Iraq and his eventual journey to Britain, has significantly influenced his political career. Born in Iraq during a time of political instability, Zahawi witnessed the country's transition from British protectorate to monarchy and eventually to a dictatorship under Saddam Hussein. His experiences, including his family's distinguished background and his father's attempts to keep a low political profile, shaped his perspective on politics and his deep affection for Britain. Later, he joined politics in 2010 and faced both challenges and successes, including serving as a junior minister, a cabinet minister, and briefly as Chancellor of the Exchequer. His life story, filled with extraordinary experiences, serves as a reminder of the complexities and unpredictability of modern politics.

    • Personal connections, unexpected eventsPersonal connections and unplanned encounters can shape political beliefs and decisions, and cultural nuances play a role in the resonance of political messages.

      Personal connections and unexpected events played a significant role in shaping the speaker's father's decision to seek refuge in Britain and in the speaker's own political beliefs. The speaker's father had business ties to the UK and had sent his son to school there, creating a link that proved crucial when Saddam Hussein's regime accused him of being a British agent. The speaker's encounter with a Labour Party supporter during his time at university in London led him to explore conservative values and eventually become a Tory. The use of language and cultural nuances was also highlighted as an important factor in understanding the resonance of political messages. Despite facing opposition from his party, the speaker chose to share his story on this podcast, emphasizing the importance of clear plans and bold actions, values that have stayed with him throughout his life.

    • Campbell's role in conservatives' infightingIndividuals like Alistair Campbell contribute to the ongoing infighting among conservatives, but conservatives should focus on their differences rather than blame political opponents.

      The ongoing infighting among conservatives in the UK political scene is being fueled by individuals like Alistair Campbell. According to Stewart Jackson, it is insulting to suggest that this crisis is being instigated by political opponents. Instead, Jackson advises conservatives to stay clear of areas where Campbell is present. Jackson also praised Rory Stewart for his communication skills and ability to adapt to new media, using the example of the Queen's passing and the ensuing social media storm to illustrate this point. Despite their differences, Jackson expressed his admiration for Stewart but could not understand why he got behind Boris Johnson, whom he described as a roguish figure with a lack of focus and inability to make informed decisions. Jackson believes that the decision to bring in individuals like Johnson and Liz Truss has contributed to the current situation where the conservatives are on the brink of losing the election. Jackson shared his positive experience of working with Johnson during the vaccine deployment role, highlighting his ability to make decisions and empower his team when focused.

    • Transparency in CrisisTransparency during a crisis is crucial for system reform and addressing challenges effectively. Resistance to transparency should be overcome to ensure accountability and trust.

      Transparency is crucial in addressing complex issues, especially during a crisis. The speaker, who served as the Education Secretary during the pandemic, shared his experience of pushing for daily vaccine data publication despite initial resistance from the NHS. He believes that transparency helps reform systems and allows for focusing on challenges and fixing them. The speaker also expressed concern about the impact of dishonesty in politics and the importance of holding untruthful individuals accountable for their actions. He emphasized his personal experience with Boris Johnson, sharing that despite their differences, Johnson supported him and kept his word. The speaker admires Johnson's ability to identify talent and his loyalty to those he supports. However, he emphasizes that everyone in politics, government, and business has flaws and that it's essential to acknowledge and address them.

    • Personal biases vs. capabilitiesEffective leadership involves recognizing individuals' capabilities and commitment, rather than focusing on their personal flaws or perceived imperfections.

      Effective leadership involves recognizing the value of diverse individuals and focusing on outcomes, rather than personal flaws or perceived perfection. The speaker, a former politician, shared his experiences of being kept on the sidelines of a sports team and in politics, but admiring those who got the job done despite their imperfections. He also discussed his views on Britain's future, expressing concern about the country's competitiveness and the need for addressing fiscal challenges. Despite his past support for Brexit, he acknowledged the challenges it has brought and emphasized the importance of evidence-based decision-making. In summary, the speaker's message was that it's essential to look beyond personal biases and focus on the capabilities and commitment of individuals and the larger goals of the organization or nation.

    • Geopolitical shifts, Europe's competitivenessThe geopolitical landscape and economic circumstances have significantly shifted since 2016, requiring Europe to adapt and navigate complex relationships to maintain competitiveness, with a focus on national security implications and political leaders with real-world experience.

      The geopolitical landscape and economic circumstances have significantly shifted since 2016, making previous assumptions about integrating with emerging economies and de-risking from Europe more complicated. The speaker emphasizes the importance of considering national security implications and the need for political leaders with real-world experience. Additionally, the speaker reflects on the importance of transparency and accuracy in public life, drawing from personal experiences with tax issues. Ultimately, the long-term competitiveness of Europe depends on its ability to adapt to these changing circumstances and navigate complex geopolitical relationships.

    • Transparency, External TalentEffective governance requires transparency and the ability to bring in external expertise, but the process can be lengthy and challenging. Transparency in complex systems can lead to reform and public trust, while communication and social media shape perception. Individuals have the power to influence political discourse and make a difference.

      Transparency and the ability to bring in external talent are crucial for effective governance. The former Minister shared his experience of the challenges in bringing in external expertise into the government and the lengthy process it entailed. He also emphasized the importance of transparency in complex systems and how it can lead to reform. Furthermore, he highlighted the role of communication and social media in shaping public perception and the power of individuals to influence political discourse. Despite the challenges and adversity faced during his tenure, he expressed his belief in the potential of individuals to make a difference and the importance of staying true to one's beliefs.

    • Johnson's characterAl-Tikriti praised Johnson's focus, worldliness, and ability to connect during their mission to Iraq, but expressed disappointment in his leadership ambitions and belief in his popularity, hinting at potential support if Johnson returns to politics, while acknowledging his scandals and media image.

      Boris Johnson's former colleague, Anas Al-Tikriti, spoke highly of his ability to focus on what mattered during their mission to Iraq after ISIS took Mosul. Al-Tikriti praised Johnson's worldliness, calm demeanor, and ability to connect with people at all levels. However, Al-Tikriti expressed disappointment in Johnson's leadership ambitions and his belief that Johnson's popularity was not objectively catastrophic, despite the mass resignation of ministers and negative public perception. Despite this, Al-Tikriti hinted that he might still support Johnson if he were to try to return to politics. The conversation also touched on Johnson's past scandals and his image in the media, with Al-Tikriti acknowledging the compelling nature of Johnson's personality. Overall, the conversation provided insight into Johnson's character and the opinions of those who have worked closely with him.

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