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    A new (and bolder) approach to Iran? – with Mark Dubowitz

    enAugust 19, 2024
    What significant shift occurred in Iran's nuclear program?
    Who is Mark Dubowitz and what are his concerns?
    How did the US withdrawal from the JCPOA affect Iran?
    What does the conversation suggest about Israeli defense strategies?
    Why is engaging with the Iranian opposition important?

    Podcast Summary

    • Iran's nuclear programThe Director of National Intelligence's report indicates that Iran now has the capability to develop and produce a testable nuclear device, marking a significant shift in their nuclear program and increasing the threat to Israel and other countries.

      The Director of National Intelligence's report revealed a significant shift in Iran's nuclear program, with the country now capable of developing and producing a testable nuclear device if they choose to do so. This marks a departure from previous reports stating that Iran was not engaging in such activities. Mark Dubowitz, a renowned analyst and advocate on Iran-related issues, has been closely monitoring this development and warns of the growing threat from Iran's nuclear program and its proxies against Israel. Dubowitz, who has been sanctioned by Iran and Russia for his work, has been working in Israel and holding high-level conversations with Israeli security officials. He and his colleague, Ruel Marc Gerecht, recently published a piece in the Wall Street Journal discussing Israel's bolder approach towards Iran. The ongoing hostage negotiations are not being discussed on this podcast, but the focus is on the escalating threat from Iran and its nuclear program, which has received less attention due to the recent conflict in Gaza and Lebanon.

    • Iran's nuclear capabilitiesIran is now capable of developing a testable nuclear device, marking a shift from the previous view that it wasn't developing nuclear weapons, and has made progress in developing necessary components including missiles, enriched uranium, and potential work on a nuclear warhead.

      The U.S. intelligence community's latest report on Iran's nuclear program revealed a significant shift in Iran's nuclear capabilities, stating that Iran is now capable of developing a testable nuclear device if it chooses to do so. This marks a departure from the longstanding view that Iran is not developing nuclear weapons. The report also indicated that Iran has made progress in developing the necessary components for a nuclear weapon, including missiles, enriched uranium, and potential work on a nuclear warhead. The implications of this report for the Biden-Harris administration and international relations are significant, particularly regarding Iran's stated goal of eliminating Israel and the potential for a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. Additionally, the report highlighted Iran's use of proxy terror armies, known as the Ring of Fire strategy, to attack Israel and U.S. interests in the region. The nuclear component of this strategy adds an alarming dimension to Iran's long-term goals and capabilities.

    • Iran's nuclear ambitions and military capabilitiesIran's pursuit of nuclear weapons goes beyond peaceful purposes, aiming to bolster military capabilities against Israel. The JCPOA's flawed structure allowed Iran to gradually remove restrictions, potentially leading to a significant nuclear arsenal. US withdrawal from the deal disincentivized Iran from major advancements, but Biden's conciliatory approach may change that.

      Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons is not just about having a nuclear program for peaceful purposes, but also about using the threat of nuclear escalation to bolster its conventional military capabilities against Israel. The JCPOA, or Iran Nuclear Deal, was a major point of contention due to its flawed structure that allowed Iran to gradually remove restrictions on its nuclear program over time, potentially leading to a significant nuclear arsenal. While the US withdrawal from the deal in 2018 was a significant move, it's important to note that much of Iran's nuclear escalation occurred after Joe Biden's election and the adoption of a more conciliatory approach towards Iran. The Trump administration's maximum pressure campaign, which accompanied the US withdrawal, had disincentivized Iran from making major advancements in its nuclear program. The complex dynamics surrounding the Iranian nuclear issue require a nuanced understanding of the geopolitical landscape and the potential consequences of various policy decisions.

    • Iran's nuclear expansion under BidenIran's nuclear expansion was not solely due to US JCPOA withdrawal but perceived lack of consequences under Biden. A more effective approach suggested is clear US national security directives and striking at the head of the regime.

      The Iranian nuclear program's expansion was not primarily driven by the US withdrawal from the JCPOA but by the perception that there would be no consequences for such escalation under the Biden administration. From Israel's perspective, its approach to the Iranian threat has been mostly defensive, with tactical operations against proxy forces and nuclear facilities. However, this strategy has not been effective in stopping the nuclear program's expansion. A more effective approach, as suggested by the Reagan administration's strategy during the Cold War, would be for the US to issue clear national security directives against Iran and focus on striking at the head of the Iranian regime, rather than just dealing with its proxy forces.

    • Reagan's strategy against Soviet Union, IranReagan's containment and pressure strategy against Soviet Union's internal weaknesses offers insights for dealing with Iran's aggressive objectives

      Ronald Reagan's strategic approach to bringing down the Soviet Union offers valuable lessons for dealing with the Islamic Republic of Iran. Reagan understood the internal weaknesses of Marxist-Leninism and implemented a long-term strategy to exacerbate those contradictions and weaken the Soviet Union. Khamenei, on the other hand, has a clear strategic plan to eliminate Israel and drive the US out of the region. Israel, until recently, lacked a strategic plan, focusing instead on tactical operations. However, there are signs that this is changing, and advocates for a more strategic approach are making headway in Israeli political and security circles. Reagan's successful strategy of containment and pressure on the Soviet Union provides a roadmap for dealing with the Islamic Republic's aggressive objectives.

    • Iran's vulnerabilitiesThe Iranian regime, despite its perceived strength, is ideologically bankrupt, economically struggling, and stretched thin, making it vulnerable to internal contradictions and external pressure, including Israel's intelligence and covert actions.

      Despite the challenges of toppling the Iranian regime due to historical experiences, resource constraints, and the perceived size and strength of the enemy, the Islamic Republic is not invincible. The Iranian regime is ideologically bankrupt, economically struggling, and stretched thin throughout the Middle East. Israel, with its impressive intelligence community and covert action capabilities, can contribute to intensifying the enemy's internal contradictions and weaknesses. The removal of the Iranian regime would significantly impact anti-Zionist forces in the region, as they would lose a major source of support in terms of weapons, money, training, and coordination. While these threats would still exist, their lethality would be significantly reduced without the backing of a nation-state with vast resources. Ultimately, shifting the Iranian regime's focus from attacking Israel to defending its own regime could be a crucial step towards collapsing it.

    • Supporting Iranian peopleProviding communication tools, supporting labor strikes, and implementing a doxing for justice program can help Iranian opposition weaken the regime's ability to fund proxies and bring about change.

      Supporting the Iranian people in their quest for freedom and democracy could significantly weaken the Iranian regime's ability to fund and support its proxies threatening Israel and the US. The 2009 protests against election fraud showed the potential power of the Iranian people, but their lack of resources and communication tools hindered their ability to sustain protests and bring about change. By providing technology solutions for communication, supporting labor strikes, and implementing a doxing for justice program, external forces could help the Iranian opposition. While arming the opposition is a controversial idea, there are many other actionable ways to support the Iranian people and contribute to the downfall of the Islamic Republic. The current protests in Iran, which have received little attention, are a significant threat to the regime and offer an opportunity for support.

    • Iranian opposition needsEngaging with Iranians and supporting their needs is crucial for effectively challenging the Islamic Republic. Intelligence services can provide creative ideas to aid the opposition.

      Importance of understanding the needs of the Iranian opposition to effectively challenge the Islamic Republic. Mark Dubowitz, an expert on Iran and executive director of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, emphasized the significance of engaging with Iranians themselves to gain insights into what the opposition requires to better prepare for confronting the Islamic Republic. He also highlighted the importance of intelligence services in coming up with creative ideas to support the opposition. To keep informed about Iranian protests, listeners can check out the FDD Iran protests tracker, which can be found by searching for "FDD Iran protests tracker" online. Overall, the conversation underscored the importance of ongoing dialogue and support for the Iranian opposition in their efforts to bring about change.

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