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    A Shift in the War - with Haviv Rettig Gur

    enDecember 24, 2023

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    • Israel's third phase of Gaza war: Smaller-scale operation with focus on Hamas strongholdsIsrael is in the third phase of its prolonged war in Gaza, focusing on smaller-scale raids against Hamas strongholds, and citizens are encouraged to leave border towns for safety.

      Israel is currently in the third phase of its war in Gaza, which is expected to last for an extended period due to economic and casualty concerns. The Israeli government is preparing for a smaller-scale operation with a few IDF brigades, focusing on raids against Hamas strongholds. This shift comes after the displacement of over 200,000 Israelis and the death of over 1,300 people, including civilians, soldiers, and police officers. The war, which started in October 2023, has surpassed the length of Israel's longest war since its independence in 1948. Israelis are hoping for a resolution to the conflict, with many, including the government, paying for citizens to leave border towns and focusing on solving the northern border issue. The war has caused significant damage to Gaza, with reported deaths numbering around 20,000. Aviv Reitigur, a journalist from the Times of Israel, recently visited a Druze town in the north of Israel for the weekend, emphasizing the importance of community and resilience during these challenging times.

    • Stories of the Druze community and their connections to the Israeli militaryThe Druze community in Israel is diverse and complex, with deep historical and religious roots, strong military ties, and challenges due to ongoing conflict. Remembering their human stories adds depth to the headlines.

      The Druze community in Israel is complex and diverse, with deep historical and religious roots, strong connections to the Israeli military, and a significant presence in areas of conflict like Gaza. During a recent visit to a Druze bed and breakfast in the Galilee, the host shared stories of family members serving in the IDF and the challenges faced by the community due to the ongoing conflict. As the Israeli military prepares for a new phase in the war in Gaza, with a smaller IDF force conducting focused raids against Hamas strongholds, it's important to remember the human stories and complexities behind the headlines. The Druze community is just one example of the rich tapestry of people and cultures in Israel.

    • Israeli military adopts new approach to Gaza conflictIsraeli military adopts targeted, low-intensity approach to eliminate Hamas' military and governing capacities, minimize civilian casualties, and face less diplomatic pressure.

      The Israeli military is shifting its approach in the ongoing conflict with Hamas in Gaza from large-scale ground operations to a more targeted, low-intensity stage. This change comes after the destruction of Hamas' extensive tunnel network and the reduction of the military's footprint in the region. The new approach aims to hunt down Hamas strongholds and eliminate the regime's military and governing capacities, while minimizing civilian casualties and diplomatic pressures. Critics argue that the North of Gaza is not yet pacified, but the Israeli government and military remain committed to the goal of destroying Hamas' regime in Gaza, not just the idea or ideology of Hamas. The shift to this stage marks the third phase in the conflict, following the initial ground maneuvers and the tunnel war.

    • A new stage in the Israel-Hamas conflict: Elite units, intelligence, and reducing military footprintThe Israel-Hamas conflict in Gaza is shifting towards a long-term, intelligence-focused approach, involving elite units and a reduced military presence. Unexpected discoveries, like a vast tunnel network, underscore the importance of intelligence gathering and adaptability.

      The ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza is entering a new stage, characterized by a long, slow grinding process of pacification. This stage involves a focus on elite units and intelligence, and a reduction in the Israeli military footprint. The discovery of a vast subterranean network in Gaza has been a surprise to the IDF, revealing a lack of detailed knowledge about the enemy's capabilities. Despite the challenges, the IDF has managed to prevent many Hamas attempts to use the tunnels to attack Israeli forces. This new stage is expected to clear a large number of soldiers out of the conflict zone and bring relief to Israeli families and the economy. The IDF's evolving understanding of the tunnel system highlights the importance of intelligence gathering and adaptability in modern warfare.

    • Hamas's tunnel network challenges IsraelHamas's complex tunnel system poses a significant threat to Israel despite intelligence penetration and surface control. Compartmentalization within Hamas makes military strategies more complicated, and destroying tunnels is challenging with potential civilian casualties.

      That Hamas's ability to compartmentalize itself and construct extensive, booby-trapped tunnel systems has posed significant challenges for Israel in their military operations. Despite Israel's intelligence penetration and control of the surface, Hamas's tunnel network remains a major threat due to its complexity and the potential for surprise attacks. The compartmentalization within Hamas's ranks also complicates military strategies, as commanders may continue to fight even when their superiors have been neutralized. The engineering challenges of destroying these tunnels and the potential civilian casualties add to the complexity of the situation. Ultimately, the humility and recognition that there is still much to learn about Hamas and other militant groups is a crucial lesson for Israel and other militaries.

    • Hamas tunnels' strategic challenges and Hamas' refusal to exchange hostagesThe Hamas tunnels' vast network and disciplined fighters pose significant challenges for Israel, while Hamas' refusal to exchange hostages shifts focus towards a low-intensity conflict, requiring tough decisions and ongoing negotiations.

      The tunnels used by Hamas in the ongoing conflict with Israel pose significant strategic challenges due to their vast network and the discipline instilled in Hamas fighters, even when command and control is lost. Hamas' declaration that there will be no more hostage exchanges until the entire war is ended may seem like a mistake, but it actually reduces pressure on the Israeli leadership and shifts the focus towards a low-intensity conflict. This situation highlights the complex dynamics of the conflict and the importance of understanding the tactics and strategies employed by both sides. The decision to avoid entering the tunnels and instead adopt a longer-term approach is a difficult one, with real operational and security implications for the Israeli Defense Forces. The ongoing negotiations and the debate within Israel about the best way to fight the war continue to evolve, and the situation remains fluid.

    • Hamas's stance on hostage exchanges during the warHamas's demand for an end to the war before hostage exchanges is a tactical move, allowing Israeli government to continue war efforts while avoiding public pressure.

      The current Hamas position demanding an end to the war before engaging in hostage exchanges is likely a tactical move rather than an increase in pressure. This stance, which is not likely to change, allows the Israeli government to continue the war efforts while taking the hostage issue off the table. The Israeli public's focus on the war's progress and political debates may influence the reporting and analysis, potentially shaping both right and left wing perspectives. However, it is essential to maintain a critical perspective and consider various viewpoints as the situation unfolds.

    • Israeli forces continue to battle for control of Shejeya in GazaIsraeli forces are making progress in gaining control of Shejeya, a major stronghold of Hamas, but the operation is ongoing as Hamas continues to resist with fortified positions and tunnels.

      The ongoing conflict in Gaza, specifically the recent push to take control of the areas of Shejeya and Shujayea, is a complex and lengthy process. The Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) have made significant progress in gaining control above ground, but the operation is far from over. The importance of Shejeya lies in its status as a major stronghold of Hamas, with the last remaining areas of Jabali and Shejeya being essential hostages and fortified positions. The IDF's approach to the situation has been deliberate and modest, avoiding grandiose PR statements and focusing on clear communication to the public. The operation will likely last a long time, as there is no simple solution to uproot Hamas from the tunnels. Speculation about flooding the tunnels with seawater is not science fiction, but it is not a straightforward solution to the problem. The focus should be on the reality of the situation on the ground, acknowledging the political rhetoric may not always align with the military progress.

    • IDF's potential flooding of Hamas tunnels in Gaza was a tactic, not a planIsrael's ongoing conflict in Gaza requires learning from past mistakes and avoiding ideological goals to maintain security

      The IDF's announcement of potential flooding of Hamas tunnels in Gaza was likely a tactic to gather intelligence and provoke a response, rather than an actual plan to execute the flooding. The Israeli public's perception during the next phase of this conflict could resemble the protracted conflict in Southern Lebanon during the 1990s, where the Israeli presence was a constant feature of life. The Lebanon war, which lasted for 18 years, saw Israel bogged down due to its ideological goals and the creation of militant groups in the areas it left behind. Unlike the Lebanon war, Israel's presence in Gaza is not driven by a desire for strategic expansion, but rather to maintain security. The ongoing conflict in Gaza is different from past conflicts, and it's crucial for Israel to learn from its mistakes and avoid repeating them.

    • Israelis prioritize safety and security in conflictsIsraelis trust leaders seen as focusing on war over politics, as long as it's perceived as a real war for safety

      The Israeli public prioritizes safety and security above all else, especially in the context of ongoing conflicts with neighboring regions like Gaza and the North. This is evident in the trust levels given to political leaders perceived to be focusing on the war versus playing politics. Defense Minister Gallant, who is seen as primarily focused on the war, has the highest level of trust from the Israeli public. The public's perception of who is running the war and who is politicking significantly impacts their trust and opinion on the situation. The war's duration is not a major concern as long as it is perceived as a real war being fought for a fundamental purpose - delivering safety on the borders. However, if the public begins to view the conflict as a political war aimed at avoiding elections, trust and public opinion could shift negatively.

    • Military leaders' words and actions impact Israeli public's support for military actionIsraeli public's military action support influenced by perceived threats and effective communication from leaders

      The Israeli public's support for military action can be significantly influenced by the actions and words of their military leaders. In the case of the 2006 Lebanon War, Gallant, a high-ranking military official, advocated for a preemptive strike against Hezbollah in Lebanon instead of focusing on Gaza. This proposal was controversial and ultimately overruled, but if Gallant had presented this case to the public, it's likely that Israelis would have rallied behind it due to the perceived threat posed by Hezbollah. Additionally, the Israeli military's response to the conflict in Lebanon was shaped by their experiences in Gaza and the understanding that Hezbollah posed a greater threat. The Israeli government's actions, such as demanding the implementation of UN resolution 1701, can also be seen as a way of preparing for potential military action in the north. Ultimately, the Israeli public's willingness to support military action is influenced by their perception of the threat and the leadership's ability to communicate that threat effectively.

    • Israeli political environment influenced by conflict with Hamas and potential action against HezbollahThe ongoing conflict with Hamas and potential future action against Hezbollah could lead to Israeli elections, with Netanyahu emphasizing his ability to resist external pressures

      The political environment in Israel following the ongoing conflict with Hamas in Gaza and potential future action against Hezbollah in Lebanon could significantly impact the country's decision-making process, particularly regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the timing of elections. Netanyahu's recent intensified campaigning, including accusations that others have failed in their duties and threats of a Palestinian state if he's not in power, indicate that the Likud party believes the shock of the current conflict has subsided and that political debates can resume without harming public sentiment. This could potentially lead to an election in the near future, with Netanyahu emphasizing his ability to resist external pressures, such as potential American intervention, if he remains in power. The stakes are high, as the outcome of the election could determine the direction of Israeli politics and its approach to regional conflicts.

    • Netanyahu's Government at Risk Amidst Election PossibilityNetanyahu's government could face an election due to coalition instability and public pressure from victims' families, disrupting his strategy to contain Hamas and potentially costing him politically.

      The situation in Israel is heading towards an election due to the recent events, potentially within the next few months. Netanyahu's government, formed not long ago, could be at risk if a party leaves the coalition, but polling poorly alone is not enough to trigger an election. However, the families of victims from the recent conflict are now campaigning against Netanyahu, which could significantly impact his political standing. Netanyahu's strategy, based on containing Hamas and letting time work in Israel's favor, has been disrupted, and the cost of this disruption is enormous. The concept that Hamas would destroy itself without intervention no longer holds, and Netanyahu's refusal to take responsibility for the events of October 7th sets him apart from other leaders involved. The upcoming election campaign will likely be intense and focused on Netanyahu's role in the situation.

    • Netanyahu's failure to take responsibility for Gaza crisisNetanyahu's refusal to acknowledge his role in Gaza crisis may negatively impact his campaign, leading to a shift in voter sentiment and potential early election.

      Netanyahu's failure to take responsibility for the Gaza crisis on October 7, 2022, is likely to negatively impact his campaign in the next election. The opposition, as well as the families affected by the crisis, will not need a 7-second clip of Netanyahu taking responsibility. Instead, they will have ample footage from October 7th to use against him. Netanyahu's refusal to acknowledge his role in the crisis may lead to a shift in voter sentiment, with some Netanyahu supporters questioning if the Israeli right is stuck with him as their leader. A significant number of right-wing voters want an early election, and the current political instability may not favor the incumbent. The sentiment against Netanyahu is strong, and the upcoming election campaign is expected to be intense.

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    Join America's Roundtable (https://americasrt.com/) radio co-hosts Natasha Srdoc and Joel Anand Samy with Alex Traiman, CEO and Jerusalem Bureau Chief of Jewish News Syndicate (JNS) from Jerusalem, Israel. The Iran-backed Hamas terrorist group and the Palestinian Jihad murdered over 1,400 Israelis, wounded more than 5,000, and are holding captive some 220 hostages in Gaza. Israel wages war against terrorist group Hamas. Iran-backed Hezbollah escalates tensions on Israel's northern border by firing rockets into the Jewish state. Over 200,000 Israelis have been internally displaced amid ongoing Gaza war. americasrt.com (https://americasrt.com/) https://ileaderssummit.org/ | https://jerusalemleaderssummit.com/ America's Roundtable on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/americas-roundtable/id1518878472 Twitter: @traiman @ileaderssummit @AmericasRT @NatashaSrdoc @JoelAnandUSA @supertalk America's Roundtable is co-hosted by Natasha Srdoc and Joel Anand Samy, co-founders of International Leaders Summit and the Jerusalem Leaders Summit. America’s Roundtable (https://americasrt.com/) radio program - a strategic initiative of International Leaders Summit, focuses on America’s economy, healthcare reform, rule of law, security and trade, and its strategic partnership with rule of law nations around the world. The radio program features high-ranking US administration officials, cabinet members, members of Congress, state government officials, distinguished diplomats, business and media leaders and influential thinkers from around the world. Tune into America’s Roundtable Radio program from Washington, DC via live streaming on Saturday mornings via 65 radio stations at 7:30 A.M. (ET) on Lanser Broadcasting Corporation covering the Michigan and the Midwest market, and at 7:30 A.M. (CT) on SuperTalk Mississippi — SuperTalk.FM reaching listeners in every county within the State of Mississippi, and neighboring states in the South including Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana and Tennessee. Listen to America's Roundtable on digital platforms including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon, Google and other key online platforms. Listen live, Saturdays at 7:30 A.M. (CT) on SuperTalk | https://www.supertalk.fm

    America's Roundtable with Chairman Mike Bost | Israel is America's Greatest Ally | Israel Wages War Against Iran-Backed Hamas Terrorist Group

    America's Roundtable with Chairman Mike Bost | Israel is America's Greatest Ally | Israel Wages War Against Iran-Backed Hamas Terrorist Group
    Join America's Roundtable (https://americasrt.com/) radio co-hosts Natasha Srdoc and Joel Anand Samy with Chairman Mike Bost, The House Committee on Veterans' Affairs, member of House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, and House Committee on Agriculture. Chairman Bost is a U.S. Marine Corps Veteran. americasrt.com (https://americasrt.com/) https://ileaderssummit.org/ | https://jerusalemleaderssummit.com/ America's Roundtable on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/americas-roundtable/id1518878472 Twitter: @RepBost @ileaderssummit @AmericasRT @NatashaSrdoc @JoelAnandUSA @supertalk America's Roundtable is co-hosted by Natasha Srdoc and Joel Anand Samy, co-founders of International Leaders Summit and the Jerusalem Leaders Summit. America’s Roundtable (https://americasrt.com/) radio program - a strategic initiative of International Leaders Summit, focuses on America’s economy, healthcare reform, rule of law, security and trade, and its strategic partnership with rule of law nations around the world. The radio program features high-ranking US administration officials, cabinet members, members of Congress, state government officials, distinguished diplomats, business and media leaders and influential thinkers from around the world. Tune into America’s Roundtable Radio program from Washington, DC via live streaming on Saturday mornings via 65 radio stations at 7:30 A.M. (ET) on Lanser Broadcasting Corporation covering the Michigan and the Midwest market, and at 7:30 A.M. (CT) on SuperTalk Mississippi — SuperTalk.FM reaching listeners in every county within the State of Mississippi, and neighboring states in the South including Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana and Tennessee. Listen to America's Roundtable on digital platforms including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon, Google and other key online platforms. Listen live, Saturdays at 7:30 A.M. (CT) on SuperTalk | https://www.supertalk.fm