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    a16z Bio + Health #18: What will it take to cure diabetes?

    enSeptember 03, 2021

    Podcast Summary

    • Understanding the Differences Between Type 1 and Type 2 DiabetesType 1 diabetes is an autoimmune condition leading to insulin deficiency, while Type 2 diabetes is a metabolic condition with insulin resistance. Both require ongoing research and innovation to effectively manage and treat.

      Diabetes is a complex disease with different forms, and while high blood sugar is a commonality, the causes and management differ between type 1 and type 2. Type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune condition where the body attacks insulin-producing cells, leading to insulin deficiency, and was historically fatal without insulin treatment. Type 2 diabetes, on the other hand, is a metabolic condition where the body struggles to effectively use insulin. The discussion also highlighted the significant impact diabetes has on public health, with nearly 1 in 7 American adults now diagnosed. The speakers, including JDRF CEO Aaron Kowalski, Harvard Stem Cell Institute co-director Doug Melton, and JDRF board member Karen Jordan, emphasized the importance of ongoing research and innovation to address this global health challenge.

    • Managing Diabetes: A Continuum of CareAdvancements in diabetes treatment include personalized care based on genetics and metabolism, insulin technology, and closed-loop systems, transforming the diabetes landscape.

      Diabetes, specifically type 1 and type 2, exist on a continuum, and treatment advancements have come a long way but still require active management from patients. While some cases of diabetes can be managed through diet and exercise, others require insulin to stay alive. The distinction between types of diabetes is becoming less clear as research progresses, and personalized treatments based on genetic markers and metabolic patterns may become more common. Insulin, though a lifesaving drug, is not a cure and requires constant monitoring and adjustment. Despite these challenges, advancements in technology, such as closed-loop systems, have made managing diabetes easier and more accessible. Overall, the diabetes landscape is transforming, and we are on the cusp of a new era of personalized, effective treatments.

    • Understanding the genetic complexity of diabetesDespite ongoing research, the genetic heterogeneity of diabetes makes it challenging to develop specific therapies for most patients. However, shared genetic risk factors and advances in biomedicine offer prospects for treating and potentially curing both Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes through convergence of research efforts.

      While there is ongoing research into finding cures for both Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes, the complexity of the diseases lies in their genetic heterogeneity. Most people with diabetes do not have a targetable genetic mutation, making it challenging to develop specific therapies. However, there are shared genetic risk factors, and advances in biomedicine offer prospects for treating and potentially curing both types. The convergence of Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes research could lead to the development of therapies, such as stem cell therapies, that have therapeutic benefit in both settings. It is essential to recognize that each person with diabetes likely has multiple genetic alleles contributing to their condition, making it crucial to find new ways to group and treat diverse patients. Additionally, prevention, cure, and treatment/management are distinct areas with different scientific approaches. While there is ongoing research into preventing and delaying diabetes, the primary focus remains on treating and managing the disease to improve patients' health until cures become available.

    • Revolutionizing diabetes management with closed loop systems and stem cell therapiesClosed loop systems offer short-term improvements while stem cell therapies promise long-term cure, both are crucial investments for diabetes management

      While closed loop insulin delivery systems have revolutionized the lives of people with type 1 diabetes, providing significant improvements similar to increasing gas mileages in cars, the ultimate goal is stem cell therapies. These therapies have the potential to be a natural cure by giving patients the capacity to produce their own insulin, eliminating the need for continuous glucose monitoring. However, the development of stem cell therapies is a complex process and requires significant resources. Prioritizing investments between device-driven solutions like closed loop systems and cell therapies is an ongoing challenge. The history of closed loop systems shows that incremental progress can lead to meaningful improvements, and the current hybrid closed loops are already transforming lives. Ultimately, both approaches are crucial, with closed loop systems providing short-term benefits and stem cell therapies offering long-term transformative effects.

    • CGMs and Stem Cell Research: Parallel and Complementary Approaches to Diabetes TreatmentCGMs offer day-to-day management solutions, while stem cell research holds potential for long-term biological cures. Stem cell-derived beta cells are being tested, but challenges remain. Middle ground includes disease-modifying therapies and small molecule treatments.

      The fields of continuous glucose monitoring (CGMs) and stem cell research for diabetes treatment are parallel and complementary, each offering unique solutions to different aspects of managing the disease. While CGMs provide incremental, highly impactful technological solutions for day-to-day management, stem cell research holds the potential for long-term biological cures. Stem cell-derived beta cells, which produce insulin, are now being developed and tested in clinical trials, with readouts expected soon. However, challenges remain in making these cells survive in the body and integrating them into devices to protect them from the immune system. Other approaches, such as genetic modification and modifying the host, are also being explored. The transition to these new treatments won't be immediate, but the potential for solving the puzzle of type 1 diabetes, which involves a single defective cell, makes it an exciting area of research. The middle ground between these two approaches includes disease-modifying therapies and small molecule treatments, which have shown significant impact in the type 2 diabetes field. Overall, the combination of these advancements promises a more comprehensive and effective approach to managing diabetes.

    • JDRF's Innovative Approach to Diabetes ResearchJDRF invests in various diabetes research areas, including better insulins and stem cell research, and will influence insurance coverage and affordability discussions for potential cures.

      JDRF, an organization focused on type 1 diabetes research, approaches innovation and research funding with a broad perspective, targeting various areas of potential breakthroughs, including better insulins like glucose responsive insulin, and stem cell research. They invest in both type 1 and type 2 diabetes research, recognizing the shared aspects of the disease. Looking forward, the potential for a cure through stem cell research brings up intriguing questions about insurance coverage and affordability, and JDRF's expertise and influence will likely play a crucial role in addressing these challenges.

    • Advances in stem cell research for diabetes treatmentProgress in creating functional beta cells, challenges in delivery and protection, approaches like encapsulation and genetic modification, research in preventing rejection, and extending the life of transplanted cells

      Significant progress has been made in stem cell research, particularly in creating functional beta cells in a lab setting. However, challenges remain in delivering and protecting these cells in the human body. Two main approaches are being taken to address these challenges: encapsulation, which involves protecting the cells in a membrane to prevent immune system attack, and genetic modification to allow for naked cell injection and potential long-term survival. Active areas of research include using genes that cancer cells express to prevent rejection, studying the maternal fetal interface for clues on preventing rejection, and using whole genomic screens to identify protective genes. While it's uncertain if these advances will lead to a cure for diabetes that lasts a lifetime, they are expected to significantly extend the life of transplanted cells. It's also important to note that transplanted islets from cadavers have shown better results than mechanical systems.

    • Restoring missing insulin-producing cells in diabetesTo effectively manage diabetes, focus on restoring beta cells, improve understanding of the disease's impact, and allocate more resources for research and care.

      The ideal solution for managing diabetes lies in restoring the missing insulin-producing cells in the body, as nature intended. These cells, known as beta cells, can read blood sugar levels every millisecond and release insulin accordingly. However, there are significant challenges to overcome, such as the high prevalence of diabetes and the societal stigma surrounding it. Type 2 diabetes, in particular, is often misunderstood and underfunded due to its association with obesity and sedentary lifestyles. It's crucial to recognize that diabetes is not just about hyperglycemia; it's also about the psychosocial burden and the need for continuous self-management. To drive advancements forward, we need a better understanding of the disease's impact on individuals and society as a whole. This includes addressing the ignorance and lack of data that hinder progress. Ultimately, declaring war on diabetes like we have on cancer could help shift the focus and resources towards finding effective solutions.

    • Focusing on diabetes quality of life with stem cell therapy and closed-loop insulin delivery systemsStem cell therapy and closed-loop insulin delivery systems offer new hope for diabetes treatment by improving overall well-being and shifting the focus from glucose management to quality of life.

      The focus on diabetes treatment should not only be on managing glucose levels, but also on improving quality of life. The potential of stem cell therapy and disease modification lies in its ability to alleviate the burden on individuals with diabetes and enhance their overall well-being. The adoption of new therapies is greatly influenced by their impact on both the scientific/technological aspects and the person using them. From a digital health perspective, closed-loop insulin delivery systems are leading to more meaningful conversations between healthcare professionals and patients, shifting the focus from diabetes management to overall well-being. This is an exciting moment in diabetes care as technology continues to advance and make a significant difference in people's lives.

    • Exploring Opportunities to Improve Diabetes Care for AllExperts discuss reducing stigma, integrating healthcare ecosystem, and focusing on prevention and cures to improve diabetes management for those facing cost and insurance barriers in the next decade.

      There is a significant opportunity to improve access to advanced diabetes technology and integrate various components of the healthcare ecosystem to better manage diabetes for those who currently face barriers due to cost and insurance coverage. Karen expressed the need to reduce the stigma surrounding diabetes and shift the conversation towards finding solutions. Doug emphasized the challenges of prevention and the potential for cellular cures as areas of focus. In 10-20 years, they hope for a society where people with diabetes can live without constant worry and planning, and for a greater focus on prevention and potential cures.

    • A world without type 1 diabetesCollaboration between various sectors is crucial to prevent and create preventative therapies for type 1 diabetes, ultimately leading to a world without this disease.

      While curing type 1 diabetes may be challenging due to its strong genetic component, it is a goal worth pursuing with great hope and urgency. The disease runs in families, and those with a genetic predisposition, like the speakers and their families, are at higher risk. Prevention and creating preventative therapies are crucial to stamping out type 1 diabetes in the next generation. This will require collaboration between various sectors, including basic research, translational work, clinicians, financing, and policy infrastructure. The good news is that many brilliant minds are working on this problem, and the listeners are encouraged to contribute and help bring about solutions sooner. Ultimately, the future vision of a world without type 1 diabetes will require a significant collaborative effort.

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