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    Advice Line with Pete Maldonado of Chomps

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    Podcast Summary

    • Leveraging AI for Business SuccessAI saves time and resources through clear communication in business. Audible and Grammarly are AI tools for audiobooks, podcasts, and writing assistance. Entrepreneurs need to work hard to maintain retail partnerships.

      AI is no longer a novelty but a business necessity, saving time and resources through clear communication. Audible offers a vast library of audiobooks and podcasts, while Grammarly's AI writing partner helps prevent miscommunication and keeps teams organized. Pete Maldonado, co-founder of Chomps, shares his experience in deal-making and the importance of learning this skill for entrepreneurs. When it comes to retail partnerships, Maldonado advises that the hard work begins after securing a spot on the shelf. New founders should remember that maintaining the partnership requires dedication and effort. To learn more about Audible, visit audible.com/builtortextbuiltto, and for Grammarly, go to grammarly.com. Additionally, tune in to How I Built This Lab for advice from successful founders like Pete.

    • Managing Trade Spend and Securing Shelf Space in Retail StoresEffective trade spend management and securing shelf space are crucial for CPG brands, as retailers charge significant fees and penalties. Brands must make informed decisions based on understanding these complexities.

      Managing trade spend and securing shelf space in retail stores is a complex and crucial aspect of any Consumer Packaged Goods (CPG) brand. Retailers charge fees and penalties, and the bigger the retailer, the more they charge. These costs can add up significantly and require careful management. Moreover, securing and maintaining shelf space is essential, as retailers may replace underperforming products. For brands like Badass Bagels, which have established a following through brick-and-mortar locations and farmers markets, deciding whether to expand into consumer product goods or open more physical stores can be a challenging decision. Understanding the intricacies of trade spend and retail relationships is vital in making informed business choices.

    • Jennifer's Bagels: From Passion to ProfitabilityJennifer's successful bagel business, rooted in artisanal sourdough and high-quality products, is considering expansion through franchising. She must find capable operators, determine franchisee value proposition, and navigate challenges like proprietary recipes and shipping logistics.

      Jennifer's Badass Bagels business is a success, rooted in her passion for baking sourdough and providing high-quality bagels to her customers. However, she's considering expansion through franchising and needs to determine if she's ready to teach others to replicate her business model. Sourdough's slow fermentation process sets it apart from commercial yeast-leavened bread, and the bagel's structure differs significantly. Jennifer's business currently operates in two locations, with plans to potentially expand nationally due to its profitability and demand. Her bagels, which are primarily sold directly to consumers through online orders, freeze well, allowing for easy shipping. If Jennifer decides to franchise, she'll need to find capable operators and determine the value proposition for franchisees, such as access to her proprietary gluten-free bagel line. Overall, Jennifer's journey from a restaurant to a bagel shop has led her to a thriving business that she's eager to grow, but she must carefully consider the challenges and benefits of franchising.

    • Branding, Partnership, and Product Innovation for Food Business SuccessSuccessfully growing a food business involves creating a unique brand, choosing dedicated franchise partners, streamlining ordering, offering higher-value items, exploring co-packing, and focusing on product innovation.

      Building a successful food business, like Badass Bagels, requires a strong brand and careful consideration when choosing a franchise partner. The brand differentiator, such as sourdough bagels, is crucial for standing out in the competitive market. When considering franchising, it's essential to find a partner whose business revolves around the franchise, ensuring their dedication and commitment to its success. Additionally, streamlining the ordering process and creating higher-value offerings, like gift boxes, can help absorb shipping costs and improve the customer experience. From a different perspective, exploring co-packing and CPG opportunities can open doors to new markets and product lines, but it's essential to determine if the unique flavors can be mainstreamed enough for mass appeal. Overall, focusing on branding, partnership selection, and product innovation are key elements for growing a successful food business.

    • Finding the Right People for Business GrowthCarefully consider and research potential partners, emphasize the importance of incrementality and differentiation, and focus on unique aspects of a business to attract and serve an incremental customer base.

      Finding and partnering with the right people is crucial for success, especially when expanding a business through franchising or distribution. Jennifer Volin, the founder of Badass Bagels, discussed her experiences and strategies for growth, highlighting the importance of incrementality and differentiation in the market. She emphasized that big corporations may not be able to provide the same level of attention to detail and unique offerings as smaller businesses. Volin also encouraged entrepreneurs to consider what will make them happiest and most fulfilled in their business ventures, as success and revenue don't always equate to happiness. Overall, the conversation underscored the significance of careful consideration and research when choosing partners and focusing on the unique aspects of a business to attract and serve an incremental customer base.

    • Effective collaboration and the right tools contribute to growthUsing efficient tools and effective collaboration can help manage internal processes, keep up with demand, and grow a business. Personalized gifts can also leave a lasting impression.

      Effective collaboration and the use of efficient tools can significantly contribute to a company's exponential growth and success. Canva, a rapidly growing design platform, uses Atlassian products like Jira and Jira Service Management to manage their internal processes and customer feedback, enabling them to process thousands of tickets per year and keep up with demand. Meanwhile, small businesses like Chomps also face decisions on when to scale up and build partnerships. Pete, the founder of Chomps, initially declined an offer from Trader Joe's to create a private label product line due to the potential distraction from focusing on their brand. But, simplicity and effective collaboration are key. Mercury, for instance, powers financial workflows for ambitious companies, providing precision control and focus. Ultimately, whether it's a team of two or two million, the right tools and partnerships can help keep everyone connected and moving towards shared goals. Additionally, a simple yet effective gift can leave a lasting impression. M&M's offers personalized candy and party favors, making for a unique and memorable gift for various occasions. The ease and fun of creating personalized M&M's online make it an ideal go-to gift. In essence, the art of making the complex feel simple can transform your business operations and personal life, leading to increased efficiency, collaboration, and growth.

    • From hobby to retail success: Brandy's journey with Just Add, HoneyPassionate founder Brandy evolved her tea hobby into a successful retail and online business, emphasizing clear packaging to stand out on shelves, and remains dedicated to her brand as she aims to become the first nationally recognized black-owned tea company in the US.

      Passion and adaptability are key drivers for small businesses looking to expand into larger retail markets. Brandy, the founder of Just Add, Honey, started her business as a hobby and evolved it into a successful retail and online operation over the past 17 years. Her unique selling proposition lies in the variety and functionality of her tea offerings. To stand out on retail shelves, she emphasizes clear packaging that showcases the tea's appearance, making it easy for customers to understand the benefits and appeal of each product. As she looks to enter the big box market, Brandy's dedication to her brand and her innovative approach to tea will be crucial in navigating the competitive landscape and achieving her goal of becoming the first nationally recognized black-owned tea company in the US.

    • Focus on sustainability and authenticity sets company apartTo expand, company may need co-packing or intermediaries. Starting small, gaining exposure, and showcasing story can lead to success.

      The company's focus on sustainability and authenticity, as demonstrated by their direct sourcing from small growers around the world and their in-house production, sets them apart. However, to scale up and meet the demands of big box retailers, they will need to explore co-packing solutions or work with intermediaries. The company's approach to starting small and regionally, such as with Whole Foods, is a smart strategy for gaining exposure, building a customer base, and forecasting potential national rollout success. To enhance their branding, the company could showcase their sourcing trips and the story behind their grandmother's tea on their website and packaging to connect more deeply with consumers.

    • Sharing a unique brand story sets businesses apartTelling personal stories and focusing on premium aspects can help small businesses differentiate and build a loyal following.

      Sharing a unique and authentic brand story can help differentiate a business in a crowded market and create a loyal following. The speakers emphasized the importance of showcasing the personal connections and experiences that make a brand special, such as the story of tea blends inspired by the speaker's grandmother in New Orleans. They also suggested using various platforms, including websites and product packaging, to share this story and build a connection with customers. Another key point was to focus on the premium aspects of the product and tell the story effectively when entering retail spaces, rather than trying to compete on price. Overall, creating a strong brand story can help small businesses stand out and thrive in a competitive market.

    • Streamlining Operations for Business SavingsConsolidating major business processes onto one platform like NetSuite reduces IT costs, eliminates manual tasks, and saves money. Online businesses like Mint Mobile also cut costs by selling directly to consumers and eliminating retail stores.

      Businesses can save costs and improve efficiency by consolidating their major business processes onto one platform, such as NetSuite. This not only reduces IT costs and eliminates the need to maintain multiple systems, but also slashes manual tasks and errors. NetSuite is used by over 37,000 companies, and they are currently offering a flexible financing program. On the other hand, Mint Mobile is a wireless service provider that sells plans online, cutting out retail stores and overhead costs, resulting in significant savings for customers. For a limited time, Mint Mobile is offering a new customer deal with plans starting at $15 a month for unlimited talk, text, and data on the nation's largest 5G network. Jake, the owner of Annie Alaska Inc., is exploring direct-to-consumer sales for his salmon business due to volatile prices and limited cash. Pete suggested focusing on selling directly to consumers in Utah during the summer fishing season to secure better prices. Both NetSuite and Mint Mobile demonstrate the power of streamlining operations and cutting costs to benefit businesses and consumers alike.

    • Profitable but Risky: Salmon Fishing BusinessSalmon fishing businesses can earn significant profits but face price volatility and a small customer base. Direct sales and expansion strategies can help mitigate risks.

      Owning a salmon fishing business can be highly profitable, with potential earnings of up to $350,000 in a good season. However, the volatility of prices and the small customer base make it a risky venture. The business owner, Pete, is currently focusing on selling salmon directly to customers in Utah, but there's potential to expand by working with a third-party fulfillment group or creating value-added products. Starting a salmon business in grocery stores requires networking, showing a track record of success, and considering packaging options. Sampling and driving trial are effective ways to build a customer base, but farmers markets may not be an option during the salmon season.

    • Persistence and community outreach for business growthPersistently utilize personal networks, reach out to local communities, leverage social media, and build relationships with local businesses to generate sales and build a customer base.

      Persistence and community outreach are key strategies for getting the word out about a new business, especially during the early stages. The speaker emphasized the importance of utilizing personal networks and reaching out to local communities to generate sales and build a customer base. He shared his experience as a missionary and a door-to-door salesperson, emphasizing the importance of persistence and the value of face-to-face interactions. Additionally, the speaker suggested leveraging social media platforms, such as TikTok and Instagram, to share the business story and showcase the product. He also recommended reaching out to local restaurants to explore potential partnerships. Overall, the speaker's advice emphasized the importance of telling a compelling story, building relationships, and leveraging various channels to reach potential customers.

    • Boost online presence in the second yearEncourage customer engagement for increased online presence, even with non-professional content. Be bold, persistent, and resilient.

      For entrepreneurs in the early stages of building their business, the focus should be on expanding the customer base for the upcoming season. During the first year, energy should be devoted to making sales and building relationships. However, in the second year, it's essential to encourage customers to leave reviews, take photos, and share content to boost online presence. Even if the content isn't professional, authenticity can go a long way. The key is to be bold, persistent, and resilient in the face of setbacks and rejections. Keep pushing forward, and the success will follow.

    • Power struggles and internal conflicts in OpenAI lead to public controversyClear communication and alignment are crucial for organizations dealing with advanced technologies like AI to avoid power struggles and public controversies

      Even in successful businesses, internal conflicts and power struggles can lead to unexpected outcomes. This was evident in the case of OpenAI and the firing of its charismatic CEO, Sam Altman. Despite the initial success of ChatGPT, tensions arose within the company regarding the future direction of AI. These conflicts eventually escalated into a public controversy, highlighting the importance of clear communication and alignment within organizations, especially when dealing with advanced technologies like artificial intelligence. If you're interested in learning more about this corporate drama and its implications for the future of AI, tune in to the latest season of Business Wars on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. And remember, if you have a business question or issue, feel free to reach out to the Advice Line for some insight and advice.

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    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  0:01 
    sweat equity podcasts and streaming show the number one business comedy podcasts in the world. A little bit of a different intro. Sorry, we didn't get one last week. I've been messing up our scheduling. But we will make it up to you by always providing value but we'll make it up looking into some fun stuff in the future. So we'll make this intro very quick. This episode is sponsored by zap yet the first search optimized AI content writer. I've been using it. I don't like any of the other AI writers. They're not simple enough. It's a little bit too confusing. You sign up for the trial. You get boned on the subscription. And you go I'm going to learn that I'm going to learn that it's up yet. Very easy. My dad could use it. That's how easy Zolciak it's hooking up SEO. I've been cranking out blog posts for clients with it and if you go to zip yahoo.com zupyak.com promo code sweat as a key sweat as in traded defensive in Montes sweat. You get the hookup holler hear me? That's Zippy Zippy yak.com, promo code sweat. And this podcast was recorded a little bit ago and just couldn't get my shit together to get it up. It was an interesting conversation with my old pal that worked at turbo TS Mateus should probably look that up. My old pal, Matias wrote real fleet. It's a tough one. But we talked about scaling up being married. And not making it work yet, but having someone that believes in you as a partner. Very cool. Very interesting, dude. So let's get this party started. I can't yell because I'm on the road in the hotel. So I'm gonna go ah, the tidy tears is
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  2:17 
    my tears potatoes. Yes. Okay.
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  2:21 
    It wouldn't be in sweat equity podcast, if I didn't mess up something I'm supposed to read.
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  2:27 
    Has Z right? How are you?
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  2:30 
    I'm good. We just we get right into it. We're doing a little differently because of scheduling snafu on my part. So it's just you and I, my, my partner, I got to stop saying part of my business partner, my co host, who's in the background, you can see him and I usually do together. I always like to ask everybody. Have you listened to the show before coming on?
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  2:58 
    honest answer no.
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  3:03 
    Know, it's so funny to us that a lot of people we get your Booker's that are booking agents that, hey, this person wants to come on the show. Great. Let's do it. So that's fantastic.
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  3:19 
    No, but I think it should partly for the records. And just so you don't feel bad. I think it kind of makes sense in the sense that like, the audience of people who are listening to the show and getting benefit, depending on how the show is structure, and the people they are kind of feature. It's very different. For example, I love this podcast called own that knows about business owners. So the folks are in the show, definitely. Or maybe never heard about the show. But like it still doesn't mean that it's not interesting. It's just that the audience maybe, hey, we only
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  3:54 
    got like 430 episodes pretty hard to find. It's I know that was a really good PR spin. I like that. Yeah, no, I mean, we only asked because people that come on, they don't know what they're getting into a lot of the time. And we're not like, we're not hardcore asking questions, but we do make it awkward, very, very often like this. So we'd like to ask everybody that comes on the for the first time. This question which made juxtapose against us being usually in tank tops and kind of silly. What advice would you ask your 13 year old self?
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  4:41 
    So why did my advice what
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  4:42 
    advice would you give your 13 year old?
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  4:44 
    How would you get okay,
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  4:45 
    I'm a little punchy today.
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  4:46 
    So yeah, no worries. What advice I would give my 13 year old self is to have courage. Being not don't be afraid about failure about doing things about Learning about looking stupid sometimes, but that's when I was 13 I think was a lot more careful and worried about No, I play tennis and I'm not sure if I should sign up to for this competition because I'm you know, when I have this idea, but I'm not sure it's gonna work like, right now I think I'm a little more like, yeah, just do it because it may be a terrible idea may be a good idea and that's one way to find out
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  5:25 
    what so number 13 in Brazil?
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  5:28 
    In Brazil? Yes,
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  5:30 
    playing tennis and unsure what it's kind of the bucket that answer underneath kind of the majority answers or like get rid of the radio noise, whatever you're in to be into it. Where do you kind of in a path that led you down from? You know, I'm not sure what I'm doing to oh, this is what I excel at? Or was I know that's kind of a leading question, but where are you?
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  5:58 
    I think it wasn't a bad, I wasn't a bad. So by the age of 13, I had already started my first very small business with a friend selling calendars to the teachers in our school. So I always knew I wanted to be a founder, I would end up starting my own things. So that pieces I think it was pretty much in the right path. Maybe at the time I had some athletic expectations I mentioned 10 is like I wish I could play whenever they want to be a professional tennis player made that there couldn't have gotten the out of my my father Pat but like professionally speaking, is roughly the same. So yeah, don't think to me was a changing pad. What's more, like maybe I would have gotten faster in places faster just because I would have take taking risks faster, done more faster.
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  6:46 
    Also, what kind of calendars are these these sexy like fireman calendars? What are we talking about here?
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  6:52 
    Now we're talking about very boring like Christmas or whatever. So these are the back back stories like my dad traveled to the US I was 10 years old. He brought him on to the HP Deskjet like ink printers, which at the time was very rare. And we may have what year are we talking? We're talking that was 1994
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  7:16 
    Okay, yeah, yeah, the home printer is very rare Yeah,
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  7:19 
    home printer and color. So that's the thing. So we my my buddy and I were nerds getting a computer at the time already. And we just created this like waste your do calendars, happy birthday cards, whatever. And we started to print any regular paper and sell in our school to our teachers. I didn't know if they bought it because they were they were like you know feeling sorry about us they will think they will break our hearts or whatever. But we've so quite a bit of money that and we spent our money like you know, buying magic cards, buying toys, buying video games or whatever things that 10 year olds do.
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  7:57 
    So you feel entrepreneurial pretty much since the jump in a way yes. Now you Yeah, so I'm just imagining you going around you know trying to try to hawk these calendars to teachers and they felt bad for you more than anything. They probably had a calendar of some sort maybe a planner
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  8:22 
    well they did use the calendars they did like but so I think there were some customer value on that. But you're right like you never know and then that he was just out of like no PD of us or it was really because they were they were breeding their work color again in a time where those are not obvious and easy things to find. But But ya never know.
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  8:46 
    You remember what kind of paper we talked nice paper we talked in printer paper. What are we doing
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  8:49 
    there paper like plain vanila normal printed paper that you fold the like fours and then you have like some like yeah, it was nothing you thought were semi glossy paper sometimes we use but they again nothing. They were not they probably did not look professional. As if you were to print in a print shop. That's for sure.
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  9:10 
    What so you're talking to me from Vegas right now. Yes. And your plight brought you from? I'm gonna I'm gonna butcher the the small city or from to not de
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  9:24 
    That's right. It's a city 80 miles outside Sao Paulo.
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  9:30 
    Is that how you say it then I butcher it?
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  9:32 
    Well, your butcher a little bit you would say Toba Tae.
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  9:35 
    tapa Tae. Yes. Look, I can't read English. So you know, trying anything Portuguese is gonna be tough. And now you're currently living in Vegas, which is a 101 want to get your input on how much you love Vegas.
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  9:55 
    I love Vegas, but I would put one caveat. We live in Summerlin, which is really deep in the suburbs? Yep. And it is like, what, 50 miles away from this trip. So it is a very different Vegas from what most people experience.
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  10:11 
    Yeah, it's like being in Henderson Right? Like it is further
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  10:15 
    than Henderson is further than this trip than Henderson. So he's like Henderson. But even more suburbia, I would say,
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  10:22 
    what brought you over over there? It seems. You know, if you're usually if you're international coming in, you're usually staying in Vegas Vegas. What What brought you to the outskirts of Vegas?
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  10:38 
    Well, because for us again, my the backstory is my wife is also a founder of a startup also remote. So we're both in the Bay Area, paying a lot of money for cost of living, very high taxes. Like all the things they're not so great about California, California is amazing in many ways, and I love the Bay Area's show. But it just didn't make sense for the time of our lives as a couple of founders with a daughter, we need more space, we need no better housing for cheap, or cheaper rather than Bay Area. And that's kind of what brought us to choose to Vegas, and then why Why'd the suburbs is because like, yeah, we want to like, you know, shoot a suburb lifestyle, but it's just wanting to be in a place with better weather and cheaper cost of living.
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  11:26 
    Yeah, yeah, I totally, I was just in Lake Tahoe. And I get why a lot of people from the Bay Area have a place in Reno, for that reason as well, you know, think of Reno as what you're just talking about, like the Vegas strip. And there's a part of Reno that's very fancy on the lake. And a lot of people choose to live there for the tax purposes. Look, I'll recruit you to Florida, if you want Florida's got Tampa has never been hit by Hurricane we need all the good people. We need more. We need better imports into this state over here.
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  12:01 
    Yeah, I love Florida. So I'll be easily convinced my wife a little bit harder. But I think one day you never know.
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  12:10 
    Well, tell tell me about tent AI.
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  12:13 
    And so we we help tech platforms create their embedded protection products. So think about when you go to Airbnb, even if you don't think about as an user, you're purchasing insurance. So if you stay in a place and the place burns, you, you're covered. So many companies right now. So I b&b Uber, Apple Tesla designed to offer insurance products to their users, because it's a much better experience for the consumers. And they can now have a better business and make more money. And we power it all. So we help those companies structure and offer their own kind of protection or insurance products. And we provide all the technology, all the services, and all that kind of capital required. So we're really an end to end solution for those brands that are looking to offer insurance.
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  13:09 
    You're filling unnecessary need in this kind of new bullet uninsured peer to peer kind of transactions. Is that fair to say?
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  13:19 
    Yes, this is one of our use cases, but it gets really everywhere. So if you think about we work with a company called you ship, when you can ship stuff from anywhere in the US to anything from anywhere in the US. And you can ship your car from Tampa to San Francisco. And we work with them to provide shipping protection. So if your car gets damaged, in transit, there's insurance this protection product will pay. So we're seeing shipping, there's a crypto so like it's really what we're seeing is there's this wave called embedded insurance. That really, if you think about 10 years, customers should buy most of the insurance products, if not all from the brands they love the products they love, not from the insurance companies directly. I think that's really what's what's going on here.
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  14:06 
    I didn't know that. I didn't know that was the status quo. I didn't know that. Well
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  14:11 
    tell me the last time you bought insurance and then tell me how much you like your, your insurer of your car, for example.
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  14:18 
    Well, I was I was on a mom son lunch date earlier today not bragging but I was she was like, Who do you have on the show? And I was giving her kind of, you know, the info I've got on Yeah, I gotta move insurance. This is gonna be a tough one because insurance. Like I hear a couple of words that I just kind of, I try not to zone out. I try to really focus
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  14:40 
    more but you know, that's the point. You're not alone. Everybody like so there's no point of insurance companies try to get you to love their brands because frankly you don't care and you shouldn't care. But if thing goes wrong, you must be protected because if you're not, you may be like in financial Jeopardy and like you know, while you're kind of Earning earnings and savings may be completely wiped out. So that's why insurance is so important. And capitalism doesn't work without it. But your point from a customer perspective, as much as it can disappear from your face and still give you the protection. That's what we were powering. And that's the transformation that is happening in the industry.
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  15:20 
    What made you get into this? I mean, it is you just found you found a need and kind of hid it. Maybe it's not your passion, but maybe, maybe making this neat. And as this necessary need kind of fruitful for the end user maybe is what your What's your why, I guess I should ask.
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  15:38 
    My wife like, you know, if you work with it, again, it's very important, as I mentioned, like no people can have their financial lives completely ruined if something happened, and they don't have protection. But how I got into this is like, I was one of the early employees of Turo, the peer to peer car sharing conference. So lets you rent other people's cars. So as you can imagine, insurance is a big, the biggest is a top of mine, if you're renting out your Porsche or two is changing, you want to make sure that that's where well covered. And the person driving the Porsche needs to make sure that he or she is covered as well. Because if they get into an accident, they are off know hundreds of 1000s of dollars of damage, or if the car gets stolen or whatever. So that's what was on my background before teams. And that was when we kind of really stumble upon the problem. I never thought about the problem my life before. And she would join this company and spend 80% of my time doing it. And surprise me enough. Like, I found it very fun. And my co founder and I because insurance, as boring as it is, and like behind the scenes, there's a lot of like, it's a data problem. And it's very, like you're trying to predict the future. You're trying to figure out how much people were gonna get enacted in the future. So you price How much did you pay today? It can get very intellectually stimulating, I'd say. And again, as I mentioned, ultimately, it's a good product product for consumers, that if we can make them purchase it without having to think as much make it easier for them. We're making their lives better. And I think that gets me super excited as a founder.
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  17:20 
    Yeah, it look, there's, there's a lot of entities, a lot of startups or you might be a disrupter in this kind of game, that it might not be sexy on the output. But that's where a lot of the opportunity lies when it's the unsexy things like this.
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  17:38 
    Yeah, and I would argue is the same for pretty much every business like do you think that Uber if arguably went to the taxi business, like, that's not a sexy business like Flexport, doing shipping of containers around the world now very sexy either. And they are to a point they're creating the industries or recreating in a way that becomes sexy and exciting. But he always started with a very kind of big, non sexy industry
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  18:05 
    while I was early money on Turo as a traveling comic, because, again, I think Uber was kind of sexy in the sense that I think the ones that really reach a lot of people are like, on a personal level is like, Why does this have to be this way? Like rental cars, still is really terrible kind of industry. It's like, why is there a line every time I go to get a rental car still like you, you should know exactly what's there. And then every time you go get a rental car, it's like, oh, we over booked it. And it's like, you haven't figured this thing out yet? Yeah, yeah, really haven't figured this out. And what 50 years of renting cars like they haven't caught up to everything, which is insane. Turo has its own, you know, sometimes issues I suppose I've heard horror stories, but I'd still rather go with that. Same with Uber. I was fine with Uber. When cities were trying to close it down across the country, when they first really expanded. It's like, Well, do you want to go in an unsafe car? Oh, you mean? Do I want to go in the taxi with knife cuts in the Plexiglas as a as a barrier between me and the driver? And no, yeah. Yeah, I think I'll take my ride with the person that has the incentive to drive safely. Right. Yeah. And knows where they're going. Now. Now it's swung a little bit to the other way where? I don't know the last time we've been in an Uber where they follow the the GPS, as they're supposed to do it. But they always mess it up. I'm like, how do you mess this up? How are you distracted? This is your only job anyway. What? So coming to America, you didn't have a lot of connections to get things going. Tell. Tell me about that plate.
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  19:52 
    Yeah, I definitely didn't. I came here I didn't know. I mean, honestly, I didn't know many people. But I went to business school. So that was almost like that was one of the reasons why I wanted
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  20:04 
    all business school. I believe it was not really heard of. Which Yeah,
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  20:08 
    it's a small one. The Harvard Business School. Oh,
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  20:11 
    yeah. Okay. Yeah. And
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  20:15 
    then I had Jokes apart like he's definitely like I, I kind of met a lot of people there. And then that was kind of one how I created my early connections. But even that wasn't enough. So I then joined Turo, right after business school and spent four years at Turo. That's where I think I met a lot of my more like professional tech base network. So for example, through a CEO was my former boss under her dad, he was our first check, attend. So he tried to though retain me make sure I didn't leave for like 15 minutes or so. But then he's like, now I know you. I know you should go. And by the way, he helped me in the first check. So by the time I launched change, four years after joining Turo, I had a lot of connections in the valley and new folks that we could sell to that I could recruit. And that made all the difference. I always tell founders that, especially in the b2b world, where you're selling to companies, you probably need some connections. And if you don't have work for someone work for some company to build them, because it's very hard to be successful without that. What
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  21:30 
    I mean that, that sounds like the American story, we like we should, we should push out to everybody in other countries. Hey, don't worry, you work hard. You do what you're supposed to do, things will prosper. But that's not met without kind of any strife. Can you tell me about when you're trying to get this going? And, you know, it seems like there. What were the problems that you initially hit with with this? Because, well, it might be a great idea. And you might have some connections, you don't have all the big time connections, right? So it's like, how do you? I feel like I empathize. A lot of people out there. There's a lot of great ideas. Most lack of execution, it seems like you had execution. But how do you get to the right players? You need to? How did that? How did that kind of all align?
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  22:24 
    Well, I think there's probably many, many, like, it's a very complex answer, I would say, but I tried to think about maybe simplify a bit. I think the reality is that like, as any startup that there is a very high rate of failure. And I mean, the odds are against you, as a foreigner to cemeteries you are against us is a bit larger company now, but I Gates is the same. I think that like, as founders, the way I see is like, you should try to increase the throughput, increase your profitability, as a profitable, higher probability of success, with as many things as you can. And then if you means like, not having other people who know and trust you, it's a first step that lets you get in the path where you could succeed does not mean you're gonna succeed. Most people have people they know, they try and did not, it's not gonna work out. But if they don't have that, then is even harder. So that's what I'm trying to say. So. And I think, again, in our case, always, story is far from linear. There's a lot of ups and downs as any startup, we're far from being successful. So the jury is absolutely shoo out. But you're right, like at least the beginnings of the journey were a bit easier, because we kind of put the right elements in place.
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  23:45 
    Yeah, was there we're keeping this short because I have to run to go do our next podcast episode. So we're wrapping this up in a second but I'm always curious about the the fetal position move where you're, you're in that mode, where you're like, Am I doing this right what I call the fetal position you get in the fetal position move where you're you're almost catatonic you're like did I do Am I really fucked up my new family that I have. I know your daughter's only three. So this may happen way before. But was Was there a fetal position scared, fearful moment you had with all of this and how'd you get out of it?
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  24:30 
    I think you're always scared like taking the leap is incredibly hard. And especially if you have a high opportunity costs, right. So if you're in a job, if you have access to jobs, they're very well paying. It's very hard to convince yourself that jumping to this no salary for a limited time, that it has a high probability of failing makes any sense. I think for me like again, it was I put myself in a position after and I'm after learned getting burned before in my career. I put myself in the right place after tomorrow where I was like financially stable. So I knew my family wouldn't be in jeopardy, even if I know, the things didn't work out. So I try to do risk as much as possible. And at the end of the day is like just taking the leap. Going back to your earlier question, what I would tell my 13 years old, it's exactly what I did is like, just do it the right time. There's no right way. It's very hard. odds are against you. But you know what worst case scenario is not going to work out, you go find a job. Probably you get a better job than you would otherwise because you learn a lot in the process. So that's how I rationalize this decision. But yeah, and then if that thinking works for
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  25:45 
    everyone, it sounds like you took a very pragmatic, not very pragmatic. Yeah. And you got to ride or die chick as your wife it sounds like so that's good, as we say, in the rap game, because I'm a huge rapper. I'm not. But I appreciate you coming on, man. We want to watch the story progress, and we'll have to get you back on later down the line because especially with my co hosts here to ping pong off of you. Appreciate you coming on partner.
     
    Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint  26:14 
    Sounds good. Thank you very much for having me. Really appreciate it.
     
    Law Smith, Fractional CMO, Stand Up Comedian, Sweat Equity Host, and President of Tocobaga Agency & Advisory  26:17 
    All right, get back to work. You

    Let's Get Phygital

    Let's Get Phygital

    Sachin Sehgal found lasting purpose by starting his first business at the University of Iowa. Along with all that is multimedia marketing, Sachin is building Elevate and Bond Branding as he continues to explore connections between our physical and digital worlds.

    You'll love these shared wavelengths on customer discovery, content creation, value-based sales, balancing personal brands, activating phygital concepts, when to quit, spirit animals, truth-based prompt engineering with AI, collectability with web3 technologies, and playing long-term games with long-term people. As Sachin reminds us, when life gives us stories, tell them.