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    Behind the Police: How The Police Defeated Lynching Via Torture

    enJune 25, 2020

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    • Lynching as a form of public spirit law enforcementDuring late 1800s to mid 1900s, lynching was used for racial terror against blacks and as unpredictable law enforcement tool, with officers sometimes supporting and other times opposing mobs.

      Lynching in the United States during the late 1800s to mid 1900s was not only used as a method of racial terror against blacks but also as a form of public spirit law enforcement. Lynchings occurred in various regimes, including the Wild West, slavery regime, and the Texas Mexican border. Law enforcement's involvement in these lynchings was unpredictable, with some officers supporting and others opposing the mobs. In many cases, officers stood down to prevent their jails from being burned down and to save their own lives. The infamous Tulsa race riot of 1921 in Oklahoma, where a black community was destroyed, was preceded by a lynching of a white prisoner in which law enforcement did nothing to intervene. These historical facts shed light on the complex nature of lynching during this period in American history.

    • Tulsa race riot fueled by fear and misinformationThe Tulsa race riot of 1921 was a violent event fueled by fear, misinformation, and unfounded accusations, highlighting the interlocking systems of racism, sexism, and power dynamics in American society.

      The Tulsa race riot of 1921 was fueled by fear and misinformation, leading to unjustified violence against the black community. The event was not an isolated incident, as large numbers of veterans, both black and white, were armed in fear of escalating interracial tensions. The accusation of rape against a young black man, Dick Rowland, served as the spark for the riot. However, it's important to note that the majority of lynchings of black men during this time were unjustified. The complex interplay of racism, sexism, and power dynamics played a significant role in the riot, with the fear and anger of white women being weaponized to justify violence against black men. The riot and its aftermath are a stark reminder of the interlocking systems of oppression that kept power in the hands of the dominant group.

    • Tulsa Race Riot of 1921: White rage against Black advancementThe Tulsa Race Riot of 1921 underscores the intense white backlash towards Black advancement and the devastating consequences it brought upon the Black community.

      The ambition and advancement of Black communities, particularly in the context of Tulsa's Black Wall Street, sparked intense white rage and violence. This was exemplified during the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921, where two mobs, one white and one black, clashed at the courthouse. The police response varied greatly between Sheriff McCullough, who defended a black prisoner, and Police Chief Gustavson, who called for the National Guard to clear the streets of Black people. The riot resulted in the destruction of the Black community and the deaths of hundreds of Black residents. The event was later portrayed as a Negro uprising, justifying the violent response against them. This incident highlights the deep-rooted fear and resistance to Black advancement in American society during that era.

    • Tulsa Race Riot of 1921: A Mass Lynching with Law Enforcement InvolvementThe Tulsa Race Riot of 1921 resulted in the murder of hundreds, involvement of law enforcement, and the rise of the KKK, leading to further violence against black people, Catholics, and Jews.

      The Tulsa race riot of 1921 involved not only the murder of hundreds of black residents, but also the involvement of law enforcement in the violence. Witnesses reported that officers, often out of uniform, joined in the arson and attacks. The riot led to the organizing of the Ku Klux Klan in Tulsa, which brought further violence against not only black people, but also Catholics and Jews. The event is considered a mass lynching, fueled by anger over black success and organization. Lynching, which peaked in the late 1800s but continued into the 1900s, was a form of non-state enforcement of white supremacist laws. It often involved not just murder, but torture and souvenir-taking, and was often announced on the radio as a community event. The riot and its aftermath had a profound impact on Tulsa and Oklahoma as a whole.

    • The decline in lynching was not due to protection, but controlDuring the early 20th century, the decline in lynching was not a sign of progress, but rather a shift in methods of controlling the black population through increased use of the death penalty.

      During the early 20th century in the United States, the decline in lynching violence was not a result of law enforcement protecting black people, but rather maintaining control over the black population through the use of the death penalty. White women activists, such as those in the Association of Southern Women for the Prevention of Lynching, challenged the traditional rationalization of lynching as a means of protecting white women and argued against it. However, law enforcement's efforts to prevent lynchings often resulted in swift and violent deaths for black suspects, rather than their protection. The number of executions of blacks carried out during this period continually rose, while the number of lynchings declined. This trend is evident in the findings of historians and political scientists, as well as statistical data on executions. The legal system in the South assumed the function of maintaining social control over the black population during this time. Despite common beliefs, the decline in lynching violence was not a sign of progress, but rather a shift in methods of control.

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    • Historical struggle to prevent mob violence against marginalized communitiesDespite individual officers' powerlessness, historical patterns show that law enforcement has prioritized order over preventing violence against marginalized groups, perpetuating a need for systemic change

      Historical power structures, including law enforcement, have often struggled to prevent violent mob actions, particularly against marginalized communities. While individual officers may have enabled or even participated in such violence, collectively, they were often powerless to stop it. Instead, maintaining order and avoiding a loss of control was prioritized. This was seen in the context of lynchings in the American South, where politicians and law enforcement relied on the death penalty to appease mobs and prevent disorder, even if it meant condoning violence against innocent people. This historical pattern persists in various forms even today, highlighting the need for systemic change to address the root causes of violence and ensure true equality and justice for all.

    • Forced confessions obtained through torture during early 1900sDespite false confessions obtained through torture, black people faced potential death penalty during early 1900s

      During the early 1900s, a significant number of black people accused of crimes were subjected to forced confessions obtained through torture. This was a common practice used by law enforcement to prevent white mob violence and expedite cases. However, many of these confessions were later proven false in court. For instance, in the case of Raymond Stewart's murder in 1934, three young black men were arrested and tortured into confessing. One of them, Brown, testified in court about the brutal treatment he received, including being whipped and stripped naked, and how he was forced to confess even though he was innocent. Similar testimonies were given by the other two boys, Henry Shields and Ellington. Despite their claims of innocence and evidence of torture, they were still tried and potentially faced the death penalty. These cases illustrate the systemic injustice and brutality faced by black people during this era.

    • Historical racism in law enforcement and torture of black boysHistorical racism led to the torture of black boys for confessions, perpetuating flawed convictions and reinforcing racial biases in law enforcement.

      The historical treatment of black people by law enforcement, including the use of physical and emotional abuse during interrogations, is deeply rooted in racism and has its origins in the justifications for the cruel treatment of slaves. This was exemplified in a specific case where three black boys were tortured into confessing to a crime they did not commit, and their confessions were used to secure a conviction by an all-white jury. This treatment was not uncommon and was often supported by the wider community, with some even viewing it as necessary due to the belief that black people feel less pain than white people. This belief, which is unfounded, has persisted throughout history and continues to influence interactions between law enforcement and black communities. It's important to recognize the historical context of these practices and their impact on the criminal justice system and race relations in the United States.

    • Police torture in US history, particularly against African AmericansDespite legal interventions, police torture continued to be a problem in US history, highlighting the need for continued vigilance and reform, especially recognizing the diversity of experiences within racial and ethnic groups.

      The history of police torture in the United States, particularly against African Americans, is a complex and troubling aspect of both white and black history. Prior to certain legal interventions, it was not illegal for police to torture suspects to obtain confessions. The term "third degree," which referred to the use of torture, was commonly used in police jargon and entered the general American vocabulary. The practice was widespread throughout the country, particularly in urban areas, and was used to control black bodies in the South and ensure quick convictions in the North. Despite public outrage and efforts to reduce its use, police torture continued to be a problem, highlighting the need for continued vigilance and reform. The case discussed earlier, where an all-white jury acquitted a Latino man despite clear evidence of his guilt, underscores the importance of recognizing the diversity of experiences within racial and ethnic groups and the need for true peer juries.

    • Torture during Police Interrogations: A Hidden TruthDespite denials, torture during police interrogations was rampant in the early 20th century, disproportionately affecting uneducated black minorities with methods leaving no physical evidence.

      The use of torture during police interrogations, particularly against uneducated white and black minor boys in the United States during the early 20th century, was a pervasive issue. While physical marks from torture were becoming less common, methods that left no physical evidence were employed instead. Black people, despite being a minority, were disproportionately affected, making up a significant percentage of torture victims in the North. The use of electric chairs and other methods of electrical torture were documented, along with the "water cure," a precursor to waterboarding. Despite extensive evidence, authorities denied the occurrence of these practices, reinforcing a tradition of cunning and deception. The Wickersham Commission report in 1931 exposed these abuses, but the fight for justice and accountability continued.

    • Historical abuse of power against marginalized communitiesThe use of excessive force and torture against marginalized communities, particularly African Americans, is a longstanding practice in American history, rooted in maintaining power and supremacy.

      The use of excessive force and torture against certain communities, particularly African Americans, is not a new phenomenon in American history. The Wickersham Commission reports from the 1930s revealed widespread police torture of African Americans in the South, which could be traced back to the days of slavery. This abuse of power was not unique to African Americans, but rather a tool used by those in power to maintain wealth, resources, and supremacy. The historical studies confirmed that this practice continued even after slavery ended, and it was not just a Black experience. The desire to suppress Black autonomy and equality led white people, including those with wealth and power, to weaponize the rage of white poor people and turn it in a racist direction. Historian William Brundage and sociologist Gunnar Myrdal, among others, have acknowledged this trend, with Myrdal stating that the policeman stood for both civic order and white supremacy. Despite attempts by the federal government to push back against these abuses in the 1940s and 1950s, the issue persisted.

    • The NAACP's fight against injustices in the 1910s and 1920s led to nationwide response and awarenessDespite legal advancements, false confessions and police coercion continue to impact the justice system, highlighted by cases like the Central Park 5 and the murder of Emmett Till and George Floyd

      The NAACP's relentless fight against unjust legal cases in the 1910s and 1920s laid the groundwork for a nationwide response to injustices against black Americans, such as the murder of Emmett Till and more recently, George Floyd. This was due to the public awareness and support generated by these cases. However, despite legal advancements, false confessions and police coercion continued to be a problem, as seen in cases like the Central Park 5. The use of psychological tactics, like the Reid technique, to extract confessions, even without physical force, has been a long-standing issue. It took approximately 20 years for the white majority to care enough about the murder of a black person, and false confessions were involved in 12% of overturned wrongful convictions in the last 30 years. The case of the Central Park 5 serves as a reminder of the subtle yet damaging impact of police interrogation tactics on the justice system.

    • The Reid technique and false confessionsThe Reid technique, a widely used interrogation method, has been linked to false confessions, raising concerns about its effectiveness and potential for misuse leading to wrongful convictions. Innocent people have the right to remain silent and consult a lawyer during interrogations to avoid falling prey to manipulative questioning tactics.

      The Reid technique, a widely used interrogation method, has been criticized for leading to false confessions. The technique, which involves accusing a suspect of committing a crime in great detail, has been used on innocent people, leading to their wrongful confessions. The Reid company, which trains law enforcement personnel in this technique, claims that false confessions are a result of misuse, not the technique itself. However, studies show that a significant number of false confessions have occurred during Chicago PD interrogations, leading to over 30% of exonerations involving false confessions in Illinois. The use of manipulative questioning tactics, such as leading questions, can also result in false confessions. It's important to remember that innocent people have the right to remain silent and consult a lawyer during interrogations to avoid falling prey to such tactics. The Reid technique, while not outright illegal, has come under scrutiny in recent years due to concerns over its effectiveness and potential for false confessions.

    • Use of torture in interrogations and its long-term consequencesDespite the apparent effectiveness of torture in interrogations, its use can result in devastating consequences and be hidden for decades. Speaking out against unethical practices is crucial.

      The use of torture as an interrogation technique, although seemingly effective with high case clearance rates, can have devastating consequences and be hidden from public view for decades. John Burge, a decorated Chicago detective, used electric shock, simulated executions, and other forms of torture on suspects, many of whom were African American, during the 1970s and 1980s. His tactics were not only condoned by his superiors but also taught to other officers. The use of torture, which was common in colonial wars overseas, is an example of what we call "Foucault's boomerang." Despite the widespread use of torture, it wasn't until 1989 that allegations of torture by Burge and his team began to surface through a civil lawsuit. The cover-up involved multiple police superintendents, prosecutors, detectives, and even the city's former longtime mayor, Richard M. Daley. It took the courage of a few good cops and a lawyer to finally expose the truth. This case serves as a reminder of the importance of speaking out against unethical practices, even when they are deeply ingrained in an organization.

    • The use of coercive tactics in police interrogations is morally and ethically questionableDespite leading to wrongful convictions and reparations, the use of coercive tactics like torture and the Reid technique remains a controversial practice among police departments

      The use of coercive tactics, such as torture, in police interrogations, even if used to put "bad guys" in prison, is a morally and ethically questionable practice. The case of former Chicago police commander Jon Burge, who was accused of torturing over 100 people, mostly black men, between 1972 and 1991, is a stark reminder of this. Despite being fired in 1993 and not being charged until 2008, Burge's actions led to the release of multiple men from death row, and Chicago paid out over $1,000,000 in reparations. However, the belief that these men were guilty, and the use of tactics like the Reid technique, which relies on detecting lies based on nonverbal cues, have been shown to be unreliable. The Chicago police union still insists that Burge's story has not been fully told, and officers continue to use these tactics today. It's important to remember that respect is earned through respectable actions, not through the use of violence or coercion.

    • Systemic racism in law enforcementSystemic racism continues to lead to disproportionate use of force against Black people, perpetuating violence and enforcing white supremacy.

      Despite progress in addressing issues like forced confessions and Jim Crow laws, systemic racism remains prevalent in law enforcement, leading to disproportionate use of force against Black people. Cops from past to present continue to judge Black people as guilty based on their skin color, perpetuating violence and enforcing white supremacy. Personal stories, like those of the speaker's brother and father, illustrate the systemic destruction of young Black and Brown men. Despite efforts to address these issues, the aggression persists and needs to be addressed at every level of law enforcement.

    • The system of law enforcement is flawedThe system of law enforcement perpetuates harm and needs significant change, including reallocating resources to social services and addressing root causes of crime

      The system of law enforcement, despite having good individuals, is fundamentally flawed and perpetuates harm. The statement "all cops are bastards" may not be productive, but the sentiment behind it is accurate. Police officers, no matter how well-intentioned, are still part of a system that enforces policies and practices that can infringe upon civil rights and perpetuate issues like poverty and addiction. Solutions could include reallocating resources from policing and incarceration to social services and addressing the root causes of crime. It's important to recognize that individual officers should not be vilified, but the system as a whole needs significant change. For example, in some cases, it costs less money to provide resources for homelessness and addiction than it does to police and incarcerate individuals. It's time to reevaluate our approach to public safety and consider more compassionate, effective solutions.

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