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    Brené Brown & Barrett Guillen on Sisterhood & Digging Deep

    enAugust 21, 2024
    What role does open communication play in relationships?
    How do Amanda, Brené Brown, and Barrett Guillen define sister love?
    What challenges does Barrett face in her professional life?
    Why do Bernay and Glennon feel pressure to 'dig deep'?
    How can a support system benefit personal well-being?

    Podcast Summary

    • Sister Love and Open CommunicationOpen communication and normalizing experiences, even the embarrassing ones, can help build strong relationships and reduce feelings of shame.

      Open communication and normalization of experiences, even the embarrassing ones, can help build strong relationships and reduce feelings of shame. The episode features a conversation between hosts Amanda and Brené Brown and their sisters, Barrett Guillen, discussing the importance of sister love and the benefits of working together in a professional capacity. They share stories of adjusting family roles and the risks and rewards of working with family. The sisters also discuss the importance of effective communication and respect in maintaining healthy working relationships. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the importance of vulnerability and authenticity in fostering deep connections and understanding between people.

    • Family dynamics in businessUnderstanding family roles and dynamics is crucial for success in family-owned businesses, requiring self-awareness, effective communication, and letting go of limiting identities.

      Family dynamics play a significant role in the success or challenges of family-owned businesses. The childhood roles and dynamics within a family can carry over into adult relationships, creating potential impediments. Self-awareness about these roles and family history is crucial, but it's not enough. Effective communication skills are also necessary for navigating these complex relationships and building a successful business together. It's essential to recognize and address the roles each person has assumed within their family, as these roles can influence behavior in the business context. Additionally, letting go of limiting identities and embracing new beliefs can help individuals contribute effectively to the business while maintaining healthy family relationships.

    • Personal challenges of protecting loved onesStruggling to protect loved ones can lead to taking on responsibilities, withholding info, and causing difficulties. Naming fears and being open about emotions can help prevent a cycle of living on eggshells.

      Protecting and supporting loved ones can sometimes lead to personal challenges, particularly when it comes to expressing needs and making decisions. The speaker, Barrett, shares how she has struggled with this dynamic in her professional life, trying to shield her partner from external pressures and conflicts. This desire to protect her partner has at times resulted in Barrett taking on responsibilities that aren't hers, withholding important information, and ultimately causing difficulties. The fear of not being okay and the pressure to maintain a loving yet volatile home environment from her upbringing also contributes to her fear of mediocrity, dependency, and the fear that her inability to let go may be suffocating herself and those around her. To address these challenges, Barrett focuses on naming her fears and being open about her emotions, aiming to prevent the cycle of living on eggshells from continuing.

    • Childhood coping mechanismsUnderstanding childhood coping mechanisms as survival strategies is crucial for social workers, recognizing their potential impact in adulthood, especially in cases of trauma or abuse. Hyper-vigilance, a common coping mechanism, can be challenging to let go of, and creating a world where vulnerability is not a privilege and hyper-vigilance is not necessary is the ultimate goal.

      Childhood experiences and survival mechanisms, developed in response to volatile environments, can be challenging to unlearn in adulthood. Social workers recognize the importance of understanding these behaviors as potential survival strategies rather than pathologies, especially in cases of trauma or abuse. Hyper-vigilance, a common coping mechanism, can be difficult to let go of, and vulnerability, a privilege for some, should not be necessary for accessing joy, love, and belonging. Parents, including athletes, may be keenly aware of the flaws in their own upbringing but fail to act on it, and unintended consequences can still arise. Overall, the goal should be to create a world where vulnerability is not a privilege and hyper-vigilance is not rewarded or necessary.

    • Normalizing difficult conversationsOpenly discussing difficult situations with empathy can help reduce shame and make it easier to cope, normalizing conversations around body issues, feelings, and caregiving.

      Normalizing difficult situations and openly discussing them with family can help reduce shame and make it easier to cope. The speaker shared how her husband's empathetic approach helped them raise athletic children despite her own struggles. They also emphasized the importance of normalizing conversations around body issues, feelings, and caregiving. The speaker's experience of caregiving for her aging grandmother and dealing with her parents' house after her mother's hospitalization highlighted the challenges and the importance of normalizing these experiences. By talking about the struggles and the feelings that come with them, they can help each other and future generations.

    • Grief and expressing emotionsDuring the process of acknowledging and moving forward after a loss, it's crucial to give each other permission to express ourselves without judgment and let go of assumptions or fears about others' perceptions.

      Acknowledging and processing grief is an essential part of moving forward after a loss. During this process, it's important to give each other permission to express ourselves without the need for explanation and to let go of any fears or assumptions about what others might think. Communication and understanding can help us overcome conflicts and build stronger relationships. In the conversation, the sisters shared their fears of how the other might perceive them, revealing underlying beliefs shaped by their past experiences. By openly discussing these fears and acknowledging each other's perspectives, they were able to find common ground and deepen their bond.

    • Digging DeepRecognizing the importance of acknowledging feelings of contentment and accepting enough is crucial to prevent taking from the wrong places and causing harm. Having a support system can validate feelings and encourage prioritizing well-being.

      Everyone, including Bernay and Glennon, struggles with feeling the need to push through despite their limitations. Bernay expressed her concern about not being believed when she says she can't do more, while Glennon shared her experience of feeling the pressure to "dig deep" even when it comes at the cost of her marriage. They both acknowledged the importance of recognizing that our "dig deep" mentality can lead us to take from the wrong places and cause harm. It's essential to acknowledge our feelings of contentment and accept that we've contributed enough, rather than constantly striving for more. Additionally, having a support system, like the one Bernay and Glennon have, can help validate our feelings and give us the courage to prioritize our well-being.

    • Relationships, SupportAppreciation for relationships and support leads to personal growth, as seen in the speakers' experiences and the Atlas of the Heart series. Encouraged to follow the We Can Do Hard Things podcast and share favorite episodes for connection and inspiration.

      The speakers express a deep appreciation for their relationships and the support they provide each other, which has been instrumental in their personal growth. They have had meaningful conversations through various media, including the Atlas of the Heart series on HBO Max, and have found strength in standing on each other's shoulders. The speakers encourage listeners to follow and support the We Can Do Hard Things podcast, and share their favorite episodes with friends. Through their shared experiences, they emphasize the importance of self-love, resilience, and the power of connection in navigating life's challenges.

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