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    Earnings Watch & Market Valuation w/ Liz Ann Sonders

    enJanuary 15, 2023

    Podcast Summary

    • Learning Effective Communication Skills and Focusing on Forward Guidance During Earnings SeasonImprove communication skills through podcasts and expert tips. During earnings season, pay attention to forward guidance for profit margins and layoff situations.

      Effective communication skills are essential in business and life, and the Think Fast, Talk Smart podcast can help you hone these skills. Hosted by Stanford lecturer Matt Abraham, the podcast features experts discussing tips on everything from managing speaking anxiety to taking risks in communication. Meanwhile, during earnings season, investors should focus not only on reported earnings but also on forward guidance, particularly regarding profit margins and layoff situations. Lizanne Saunders, Charles Schwab's chief investment strategist, emphasized the importance of this information in the current market environment. Saunders, who studied international relations in college without a clear career plan, underscores the value of keeping options open and emphasizes the importance of living and working in a place that excites you.

    • From a successful 30-year investing career with only two companies, the speaker's fascination with top-down investing was influenced by Marty Zweig.The speaker transitioned from bottom-up stock picking to top-down macroeconomic analysis, emphasizing customized allocations based on individual risk tolerance rather than short-term market predictions.

      The speaker's successful career in investing spans over three decades, with only two companies, and was influenced by his fascination with top-down investing, particularly the work of Marty Zweig. Before joining Zwieg Avatar, the speaker conducted extensive research on the company and its founding partner, who was a well-known guru in the industry. This research fueled the speaker's interest in top-down investing, which led him to manage money on the institutional side but always keeping an eye on the big picture. Later in his career, he transitioned from bottom-up stock picking to top-down macroeconomic and market analysis when he joined Schwab. The speaker emphasized that unlike most strategists, Schwab does not make short-term market predictions but instead helps investors determine their risk tolerance and customize their allocations accordingly.

    • Assessing Financial and Emotional Risk ToleranceUnderstanding both financial and emotional risk tolerance is vital for successful long-term investing. Emotional risk tolerance can be more challenging and involves an individual's ability to remain calm during market fluctuations, while financial risk tolerance considers factors like age, income needs, and investment goals.

      Understanding both financial and emotional risk tolerance is crucial for successful long-term investing. While determining financial risk tolerance involves factors like age, income needs, and investment goals, emotional risk tolerance can be more challenging. This refers to an individual's ability to remain calm and not make hasty decisions based on market fluctuations. Many people overestimate their risk tolerance, leading to potential mistakes, such as taking on too much aggressiveness during market upswings or panic selling during downturns. To help investors navigate this, it's essential to assess the gap between financial and emotional risk tolerance before the market forces the issue. Additionally, in today's economic climate, investors have been focusing on inflation data. However, another important yet under-the-radar data point that might deserve attention is the unemployment rate. This figure can provide valuable insights into the overall economic health and consumer spending power, which can significantly impact investment portfolios.

    • The Fed's actions and their impact on the bond marketThe bond market's response to the Fed's policies could signal a potential economic slowdown, indicated by an inverted yield curve. Some sectors of the economy, like housing, may not feel the inflation pressures as acutely, but others, like renting, do. Recent layoff announcements add to economic concerns, requiring close monitoring for market impact.

      The relationship between the Federal Reserve's actions and the market, particularly the bond market, is significant for investors. The bond market's reaction to the Fed's policies could indicate that the economy may be facing a more significant slowdown than anticipated, leading to an inverted yield curve. While some sectors of the economy, like housing for those who own their homes, may not be feeling the inflation pressures as acutely, others, like renters, are experiencing higher costs. Recent layoff announcements from major companies add to concerns about the economy, and the Schwab team closely monitors these developments to assess their potential impact on the market. Overall, it's a complex environment where understanding the interplay between various economic indicators and market reactions is crucial for investors.

    • Looking beyond average wage growthRecent layoffs in high-wage industries, reduced hours, and part-time jobs added can mask stable wage growth, necessitating a deeper analysis of labor market indicators.

      While wage growth may seem to be decelerating based on recent jobs reports, it's essential to look beyond the average and consider the composition of the workforce. For instance, recent layoffs have disproportionately affected higher-wage industries, leading to a lower average wage growth rate. However, hours worked are being significantly reduced, which can lead to a decrease in weekly pay despite stable wage growth. Additionally, the jobs added in the latest report were mostly part-time positions, indicating a weaker labor market than suggested by the headline payroll number. Therefore, it's crucial to examine various labor market indicators in depth to gain a more accurate understanding of the current economic conditions.

    • Interpreting economic data requires careful consideration of context and detailMisclassification of jobs in surveys, hype around SPACs, and skepticism towards cryptocurrency require careful analysis and questioning of data and assumptions.

      Interpreting economic data requires careful attention to detail and context. An example given was the potential misclassification of additional jobs in a household survey as new jobs, when in reality they could be second jobs taken on due to economic circumstances. The conversation also touched on the investment landscape, with a reflection on past trends and failures, such as SPACs and cryptocurrency. SPACs, or Special Purpose Acquisition Companies, were noted for their ability to generate hype and make forward-looking statements, contrasting with the more regulated and fact-based traditional IPO process. The rise of interest rates and the return of the risk-free rate were also mentioned as contributing factors to the decline of SPACs. With regard to cryptocurrency, the speaker expressed skepticism, emphasizing the importance of understanding the problem it aims to solve and the importance of asking critical questions. Despite past challenges, the potential of digital currencies and blockchain technology to bring financial inclusion to the unbanked was acknowledged as an important area of exploration.

    • COVID-19's Impact on Cryptocurrency Markets and Economic OutlookCOVID-19 drove cryptocurrency growth, but economic reports and forward guidance during earnings season will shape the economic outlook, with Q4 2022 expected to show negative growth for S&P 500, emphasizing the importance of financial literacy education starting from high school level.

      The COVID-19 pandemic fueled the growth of cryptocurrency markets, but with unique characteristics like free trading, FOMO, and possibly fraud. For the earnings season, reports and forward guidance, particularly profit margins and layoff situations, will be crucial indicators of the economic outlook. The expectation is that Q4 2022 will show a negative year-over-year growth for the overall S&P 500, and it's unlikely that 2023 will have a positive expectation relative to 2022. To improve the financial picture for the average person, financial literacy education starting from high school level is essential. The lack of financial education is a significant issue that needs immediate attention.

    • Importance of Financial Literacy in High School CurriculumFinancial literacy should be integrated into high school curriculum for effective real-life financial decision making.

      Financial literacy should be an essential part of the high school curriculum alongside traditional subjects like arts, history, and English. The speaker shared an experience of her daughter's lack of understanding about basic financial concepts, such as taxes, credit cards, and retirement accounts, despite spending hours on academic projects. The speaker advocated for incorporating financial literacy education into the curriculum at a younger age, which she referred to as "life economics." She emphasized that this knowledge is crucial for navigating real-life financial situations. The speaker also reminded listeners that they should not make investment decisions based solely on the information shared on the program.

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