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    Eat Plants Not Animals: James Aspey Is Defending The Voiceless

    enFebruary 19, 2019

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    • Understanding the Vegan MovementEmbracing a plant-based diet and vegan lifestyle can lead to increased empathy for animals and reduce their suffering. Open-mindedness and personal choice play crucial roles in creating a more compassionate world.

      Once we become aware that we don't need to harm animals to survive and can obtain all necessary nutrients through a plant-based diet, the apparent cruelty inflicted on billions of sentient beings every day becomes glaringly wrong. It's a significant shift in perspective, as we may love certain animals while disregarding the suffering of others based on our preferences and cultural norms. James Asby, an Australian animal rights activist, emphasizes this point and encourages an open-minded approach to understanding the vegan movement. For those considering a plant-based lifestyle or seeking to enhance their nutritional intake, Rich Roll's plant power meal planner offers a solution with customized recipes, grocery lists, and delivery options. Overall, this conversation highlights the importance of empathy, awareness, and personal choice in creating a more compassionate world.

    • From personal health to animal rights activismSurvivor of leukemia and former drug and eating disorder victim, James Aspey, inspires through his journey to animal rights activism, encouraging open-mindedness and transformation through personal experiences

      Compassion and advocacy can come from unexpected places. James Aspey, a survivor of leukemia and former drug and eating disorder victim, shares his inspiring journey from personal health to animal rights activism. With a captivating backstory and infectious energy, James has dedicated himself to raising awareness for animal welfare through hundreds of free speeches and a massive social media presence. Despite not initially identifying as an animal rights advocate, James encourages listeners to give his message a chance, as it may resonate in unexpected ways. His story is a testament to the transformative power of personal experiences and the importance of open-mindedness. To learn more about James and his work, tune in to Voice in Change Media's shows featuring him.

    • Importance of Compassion, Encouragement, and Education in Spreading Vegan MessageInstead of using blame and shame, focus on compassion, encouragement, and education to effectively spread the vegan lifestyle. Unity within the vegan community is crucial, and reaching people's hearts is more effective than cannibalizing each other.

      Activist and plant-based lifestyle advocate Tom Campbell emphasizes the importance of compassion, encouragement, and education in spreading the vegan message, rather than using blame and shame. He shares his personal journey of learning this through feedback on social media and observing the effectiveness of positive and aspirational messaging. Campbell also discusses the need for unity within the vegan community and the negative impact of cannibalizing each other. He encourages a focus on making a positive impact and reaching people's hearts to effectively spread the vegan lifestyle.

    • Connecting animal suffering and plant-based alternativesUnderstanding the impact of animal agriculture on billions of animals and the availability of plant-based alternatives can be a transformative experience. Everyone's journey towards veganism is unique, and it's important to respect and learn from each other's perspectives.

      Making the connection between the unnecessary harm inflicted on billions of animals and the availability of plant-based alternatives can be a transformative experience. However, it's important to remember that everyone's journey towards understanding animal rights and veganism is unique, and there's no one "right" way to communicate this message. The frustration and intensity expressed by some individuals serve as a reminder of the gravity of the issue, and it's crucial to respect and learn from each other's perspectives. The speaker's own experience with a life-threatening illness at a young age gave her a unique perspective and determination to overcome challenges, which ultimately led her to veganism and advocacy.

    • Embracing Suffering as a TeacherSuffering can teach us valuable lessons and provide new perspectives on life. Embrace difficult situations as opportunities for growth.

      Suffering and pain, although difficult and often avoided, can serve as valuable teachers in life. The speaker shares his experience of undergoing intense chemotherapy treatments, which resulted in significant weight gain, sleep deprivation, and various health complications. Despite the challenges, he expresses gratitude for the experience as it helped him appreciate the fear and suffering that many people experience and provided him with a new perspective on life. He emphasizes the importance of stepping outside of one's comfort zone and embracing difficult situations as opportunities for growth. Although the survival rate for the type of cancer he had was low at the time, he has been cancer-free for over a decade.

    • Impact of Mindset on Physical HealthOur mindset and overall wellbeing significantly influence our physical health. Negative thought patterns, childhood experiences, and emotional eating can all contribute to health issues. It's essential to prioritize mental and emotional health, as they are interconnected with our physical wellbeing.

      Our mindset and overall wellbeing have a significant impact on our physical health. The speaker shares his personal experience of dealing with cancer and how he believes his negative thought patterns from childhood may have contributed to his illness. He also discusses his past as a heavy meat consumer and how his perspective on animals and their value in our lives has shifted. Through his experiences, he emphasizes the importance of treating both the mind and body in a holistic way, as they are interconnected. He encourages open conversations about mental health issues, particularly in men, and how emotional eating can be a manifestation of deeper emotional struggles.

    • Struggling with societal beauty standards and emotional issuesAddressing emotional issues is crucial for overcoming unhealthy behaviors related to food and body image.

      The pressure to conform to societal beauty standards and the use of food as a coping mechanism can lead to harmful behaviors such as binge eating and purging. In the speaker's experience, this issue was rooted in an addiction to seeking comfort and avoiding discomfort, rather than a desire to lose weight. The speaker's struggle with this issue was compounded by feelings of shame and self-doubt, as well as a history of substance abuse. Despite trying various methods to escape the cycle, including drug use, it wasn't until the speaker took a break from these destructive patterns and focused on personal growth that they were able to begin healing. It's important to remember that underlying emotional issues often drive unhealthy behaviors, and addressing these root causes is crucial for lasting change.

    • Encountering new perspectives can challenge and expand beliefs about health and wellnessOpen-mindedness to diverse perspectives can lead to personal growth and improved health through new experiences and encounters.

      Our perspectives and beliefs about health and wellness can be challenged and expanded through new experiences and encounters with people who hold different views. For the speaker in this discussion, attending seminars and meeting a vegetarian who had been practicing for 20 years led him to question his long-held belief that meat was necessary for good health. This encounter resonated with him when the vegetarian simply stated that eating animals was bad karma, aligning with the speaker's personal values and desire to help others. The speaker's initial skepticism gave way to curiosity and exploration, leading him to try a vegetarian diet and discover improvements in his energy and overall well-being. This experience demonstrates the power of open-mindedness and the potential for personal growth that can come from stepping out of one's comfort zone and engaging with diverse perspectives.

    • Exploring the Benefits of Plant-Based DietsOpen-mindedness to plant-based diets can lead to improved health, longer lifespan, and reduced disease risk. Personal experience debunks myths about protein and calcium, leading to better gym performance and ethical, environmental benefits.

      An open-minded exploration of plant-based diets can lead to significant health benefits, longer lifespan, and a reduction in the risk of developing common diseases. The speaker's personal experience debunked common myths about the need for meat and dairy for protein and calcium. The speaker also noted the resistance to this message due to the influence of the pharmaceutical and animal food industries on mainstream media. Despite this, the speaker found that adopting a plant-based diet led to better performance in the gym, making it a win-win solution for health, ethics, and the environment. The speaker expressed empathy for those frustrated by the resistance to these ideas, describing it as a form of brainwashing perpetuated by industry propaganda.

    • Meat industry's misinformation about protein sourcesDespite industry propaganda, protein can be obtained from various plant-based sources, and a plant-based diet can offer more nutrient diversity

      The meat industry's propaganda has effectively convinced many people, including health professionals, that meat is the only source of protein and that it's essential for good health. However, this couldn't be further from the truth. Protein can be obtained from a variety of plant-based sources, and a plant-based diet can actually provide a greater diversity of nutrients. The industry's influence extends beyond food production, with governments and regulatory bodies often being funded or influenced by the industry, leading to biased information being disseminated. The normality of meat consumption and the lack of questioning of its sources has created a situation where people are unknowingly forming lifelong habits based on misinformation. Additionally, advancements in food technology now allow for the creation of plant-based alternatives to meat and dairy that taste, look, and even smell the same, making it easier than ever to transition to a more ethical and healthier diet.

    • From Meat Eater to Vegetarian: A Personal Journey of CompassionThrough personal health concerns, ethical considerations, and an eye-opening documentary, a speaker's perspective shifted from meat eater to vegetarian, recognizing animals as sentient beings deserving of compassion and respect.

      People have more options than ever before to make informed decisions about their food choices, and many are turning to plant-based diets for health, ethical, and environmental reasons. The speaker's personal journey from eating meat to becoming a vegetarian was influenced by his own health concerns, ethical considerations, and a documentary that showed the realities of animal agriculture. He came to the realization that animals are sentient beings capable of feeling suffering, and that the violence and killing involved in producing animal products is not in alignment with his values as a compassionate and respectful person. He believes that most people, if they truly considered the implications of their food choices, would choose to reduce or eliminate animal products from their diet. The speaker also challenges the belief that humans have a divine right to dominate animals, and argues that a more compassionate and loving approach to food production is in line with the teachings of Jesus and the commandments in the Bible.

    • Our treatment of animals raises ethical questions about dominion and responsibilityChoose veganism to reduce animal suffering, promote compassion, and benefit the environment and personal health

      Our treatment of animals raises ethical questions about dominion and responsibility. While we have laws and regulations to protect humans, we often disregard these principles when it comes to animals. This is known as speciesism, and it's a form of discrimination based on species. Animals are sentient beings that feel pain, have emotions, and form social structures, yet we exploit and kill them for food, clothing, and other products. This hypocrisy is evident in quotes like "The heart beats under a covering of feathers, scales, wings, or fur, it is for that reason to be of no account." Instead, we could choose to reduce animal suffering and promote a more compassionate society by embracing veganism and rejecting the industries that profit from animal exploitation. This not only benefits animals but also has positive impacts on the environment and our own health and well-being.

    • Impact of Animal Product Consumption on Human SocietiesConsuming animal products contributes to violent crime, suicide, drug abuse, and spiritual toll. Every purchase supports a system causing immense violence and suffering to animals, making veganism a peaceful and compassionate choice.

      The consumption of animal products, particularly from industries like the dairy industry, is not just about ethically questionable practices towards animals but also has detrimental effects on human societies. Studies show that areas surrounding slaughterhouses have higher rates of violent crime, suicide, and drug abuse. Moreover, there's a spiritual toll to ingesting these products, as they come from environments that carry a heavy vibration of violence and suffering. Many people are unaware of the realities of the dairy industry and believe that consuming dairy products is harmless since the animals aren't being killed. However, the truth is that every time we purchase meat, dairy, and eggs, we're contributing to a system that causes immense violence and suffering to animals. We've made a bargain with ourselves to compartmentalize these things, but being vegan is not an extreme choice; it's a peaceful and kind one that aligns with the inherent compassion we all possess. By removing animal products from our plates, we can purify ourselves and live more in accordance with our values.

    • Transformative experiences leading to profound changesMeditation retreats and adopting a vegan lifestyle can lead to significant shifts in perspective and actions, inspiring compassion and interconnectedness

      Transformative experiences, such as meditation retreats and adopting a vegan lifestyle, can lead to profound changes in one's perspective and actions. For the speaker, these shifts began with going vegan on the same day as her valve silence and vowing to end binge-purging. She later became an animal lover through interactions with rescued animals and visits to sanctuaries. The Vipassana meditation retreat played a significant role in her life, teaching her to observe physical sensations and cultivate equanimity, leading to greater clarity and appreciation for all creatures and their interconnectedness. This experience inspired her to not only live compassionately but also to spread the vegan message. The retreat provided her with the technique to accept moments as they come and let go of suffering caused by attachment and resistance.

    • Accepting and observing emotions through mindfulnessMindfulness practices like Vipassana meditation can help manage and reduce negative emotions related to food and eating disorders by promoting acceptance and observation without judgment, leading to greater peace and consistency in emotions.

      Practicing mindfulness and acceptance through techniques like Vipassana meditation can help individuals manage and reduce the intensity and duration of negative emotions, including those related to food and eating disorders. This process involves fully accepting and observing sensations in the body without judgment, which can lead to greater peace and consistency in emotions. It's important to remember that progress is not linear and setbacks are a natural part of the journey. The speaker shares how this technique helped them overcome their eating disorder, even after multiple slip-ups, by allowing them to better manage their urges and emotions. It's important to note that this is a process that takes time and there is no one-size-fits-all approach to making lifestyle changes, such as going vegan.

    • A journey towards veganismEmbrace the transition to veganism at your own pace, with support and encouragement, and experience significant rewards for reducing harm to animals and living more sustainably.

      Veganism is a journey, not an overnight transformation. It's about making small changes that fit into your lifestyle and gradually building on them. The path to veganism may not be the same for everyone, and it's important to be supportive and encouraging along the way. Many people find the transition easier than they expect and experience significant rewards. There's no need to feel intimidated or discouraged by the idea of going vegan, as it's a personal decision that can be made at your own pace. The ultimate goal is to reduce harm to animals and live in a more compassionate and sustainable way. Remember, every step counts, and the momentum from one change can lead to the next.

    • A man's journey of compassion for animals inspired by personal experiencesPersonal experiences can deepen compassion and inspire actions to make a difference, even in small ways, like understanding animals' emotions and potential for telepathic communication.

      Personal experiences and learning can lead to a deep sense of compassion and a desire to make a difference, even in seemingly small ways. The speaker, who took a vow of silence for a year and traveled around Australia, was inspired by the atrocities he learned about regarding animal treatment. He found himself bonding with a cow named Rupert during his stay at an animal sanctuary, and although he couldn't speak, he used telepathy to communicate with Rupert. After sharing his thoughts with Rupert, the cow responded in a way that left the speaker questioning the capabilities of animals. This experience sparked the speaker's curiosity about the depth of animals' understanding and the potential for telepathic communication. Through this journey, the speaker gained a newfound appreciation for animals and a strong motivation to help them.

    • Challenging the notion of animals as mere objectsAnimals have intelligence and complex behaviors, and treating them with respect and compassion is essential. Humans have unique abilities, but exploiting or causing harm to other species is not justified. Plants, being non-sentient, present a different ethical consideration, and a plant-based diet is a more ethical choice.

      Animals, like humans, possess intelligence and complex behaviors, challenging the notion that they are mere objects for consumption. We should treat them with respect and compassion, following the golden rule. The distinction between human and animal intelligence lies in our ability to create complex language and societies. However, this doesn't justify exploiting or causing harm to other species. Einstein's quote, "If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing it's stupid," highlights the importance of recognizing each creature's unique abilities. Though the ethical debate on consuming lower forms of animal life like mollusks is ongoing, the consensus is that plants, being non-sentient, present a different ethical consideration. Veganism aims to cause the least harm practically possible, and a plant-based diet is a more ethical choice due to the resources required to raise animals for food.

    • Moral implications of obtaining food from animals versus plantsChoosing plant-based foods reduces harm, but it's not the only ethical choice. Strive for compassionate communication and support each other in making ethical choices for all products.

      While the efficiency of obtaining food from animals versus plants can be debated as an academic thought experiment, the moral implications are significant. Chopping a leaf or pulling an orange from a tree results in more growth, whereas taking the life of an animal causes harm and suffering with no equivalent benefit. However, it's important to remember that striving for less harm extends beyond just food choices. Consumer choices for clothing, electronics, and other products also have downstream impacts. We should aim for compassionate communication and support each other in making better choices, rather than judging or condescending. Veganism, while important, is not the only factor in reducing harm. It's about making ethical choices wherever possible and recognizing that no one is immune. We should all strive to do better and encourage each other on this journey.

    • Consumer Values and Industry Resistance to Plant-Based LabelsConsumers value ethically sourced, plant-based products, but some industries resist labeling them as such to maintain market share.

      Consumers are becoming more conscious of the impact of their purchases on people and the planet. They are seeking out products that align with their values, such as ethically sourced and plant-based items. However, companies in certain industries, like food, are trying to restrict the use of certain words to maintain their market share. This includes attempts to prevent plant-based companies from using terms like "milk" or "cheese," despite the products looking, tasting, and smelling similar to their animal-derived counterparts. These efforts are seen as desperate attempts to stall the growing trend towards plant-based alternatives. The speaker shared personal experiences, including going vegan without speaking for a year and volunteering at animal sanctuaries and factory farms, which further fueled their commitment to ethical consumption.

    • A man's year-long journey of silence for animal rightsA man named Wanker embarked on a year-long journey of silence to raise awareness for animal rights, facing challenges but finding creative ways to communicate and inspiring others to adopt a plant-based diet

      A man named Wanker (real name unknown) embarked on a year-long journey of silence to raise awareness for animal rights and promote peace. During this time, he faced numerous challenges, including a van breakdown, hitchhiking, and cycling across Australia. Despite being voiceless, he found creative ways to communicate and spread his message, using cards and body language. His arm tattoos, which depict animal rights messages, serve as a visual representation of his cause. The journey was physically and emotionally taxing, but Wanker persevered, hoping to inspire others to adopt a plant-based diet and live a healthy, strong life. His story gained media attention, leading to an invitation to break his vow of silence on a morning TV show.

    • Man's Year-long Silence Experiment for Animal RightsA man took a vow of silence for a year to raise awareness for voiceless animals and his vegan lifestyle, despite initial nerves about sharing his message on TV.

      A man named James undertook a year-long experiment of living in silence to raise awareness for voiceless animals and his own vegan lifestyle. Initially, he was nervous about speaking on popular Australian TV shows like Sunrise, but after completing a 10-day meditation course, he felt prepared to share his message. On the day after his meditation retreat, he appeared on the show and asked the hosts to ask him why he had taken a vow of silence. He wanted to draw attention to the suffering of animals, who are often ignored because they can't speak up for themselves. Despite being on breakfast TV, where people were eating bacon and eggs, James' message was met with shock. At the time, such strong messages about animal rights and veganism were not common on Australian television.

    • Unexpected viral interview leads to life-changing opportunitiesBelieving in a cause and taking action, even in uncertain times, can lead to a fulfilling and impactful career.

      An unexpected event, in this case a viral interview, can significantly impact one's life and lead to unexpected opportunities. The speaker, who was just an ordinary person with a strong belief, found himself with a platform to share his message after a seemingly insignificant interview went viral. This experience led him to dedicate his life to advocating for a cause he believed in, despite the financial struggles and uncertainty that came with it. He learned that when you feel strongly about an issue, taking action and seizing opportunities, even if they seem daunting, can lead to a fulfilling and impactful career.

    • Living a Fulfilling and Impactful Life as a Vegan ActivistPassionately pursue your activism goals, learn new skills, and find ways to support yourself while making a positive impact on the world. Be effective and pragmatic, and understand that everyone's journey towards veganism is unique.

      Passion and determination can lead to a fulfilling and impactful lifestyle, even without a clear roadmap or financial security. The speaker, an activist, has managed to live a nomadic life giving speeches and spreading awareness about veganism through various avenues, including Patreon and merchandise sales. Along the way, they've learned valuable skills and experienced personal growth. The speaker encourages other activists to pursue their passions, even if they don't have all the answers, and to find ways to support themselves while making a positive difference in the world. They also emphasize the importance of being effective and pragmatic in activism efforts, rather than relying solely on anger or graphic imagery. The speaker's perspective has evolved over the years, with a shift towards understanding that different approaches to activism can be effective and that everyone's journey towards veganism is unique.

    • Challenging the Concept of 'Humane' Animal ProductsFrancie Young urges listeners to reconsider their beliefs about 'humane' animal products and confront the moral implications of consuming animal products, rather than being influenced by societal conditioning or religious texts.

      Francie Young argues against the concept of "humane" animal products, believing that such marketing makes people feel better about their choices but ultimately keeps them from making the ethical decision to eliminate animal consumption. He challenges the idea that there's a humane way to kill or exploit other species, and encourages people to confront the moral implications of their choices rather than being victims of societal conditioning. The most challenging misconception to combat, according to the speaker, is the belief that God condones animal exploitation, as people can selectively interpret religious texts to justify their actions. Ultimately, the speaker invites listeners to question the difference between humans and other animals and consider that there's no justification for cruelty and exploitation towards nonhuman beings.

    • The disconnection from food source leads to cognitive dissonanceAcknowledging and addressing discomfort from dissonance can lead to adopting a vegan lifestyle, benefiting health, potential cost savings, and reduced environmental impact.

      Our disconnection from the source of our food leads to cognitive dissonance and a choice that goes against our compassionate values. This dissonance can be uncomfortable, but acknowledging and addressing it can lead to positive changes, such as adopting a vegan lifestyle. Veganism offers numerous benefits, including better health, potential cost savings, and a reduced environmental impact. It's a personal choice that can lead to a more compassionate and aware way of living. Despite the challenges, the future looks promising with increasing awareness and activism around animal rights, environmental sustainability, and personal health. By making conscious choices and advocating for change, we can transform our individual lives and the world around us. As Albert Einstein once said, "Nothing will benefit human health and our chances for survival more than the evolution to a vegetarian diet."

    • Empowering choices for self, animals, and planetAdopting a plant-based diet empowers individuals to make positive impacts on their own lives, animal welfare, and the environment. It's a simple choice with significant downstream effects, and the future looks promising for more accessible and affordable options.

      Every individual has the power to make a positive impact on their own lives, the lives of animals, and the planet through the food choices they make. The decision to adopt a plant-based diet may seem small, but it has significant downstream ramifications. The speaker is optimistic about the future of plant-based food alternatives becoming more accessible and affordable, making it an easier choice for people. He believes that nature is guiding us towards making choices that benefit all life forms. Additionally, taking ownership of our choices and making positive changes in our lives can provide a sense of agency and empowerment. The speaker encourages everyone to try adopting a plant-based diet, even if just for 30 days, and believes that the experience can be enriching and empowering.

    • Impactful work on social media about plant-based living and mental health by James AsbyJames Asby uses social media platforms to promote plant-based living and mental health. Listeners can support him through Patreon, attend events from his Instagram page, and explore show notes on Rich Roll's website or YouTube.

      James Asby, a guest on the Rich Roll podcast, is making a significant impact through his work on Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube, focusing on plant-based living and mental health. His Patreon account is a way for supporters to contribute to his efforts. For those interested in attending an event, they can check his Instagram page for his schedule. To learn more about James and other guests, listeners are encouraged to explore the show notes on Rich Roll's website or watch the conversation on YouTube. To support the podcast, listeners can share episodes, subscribe, leave reviews, and consider donating on Patreon. The show is produced by Jason Camiolo, Blake Curtis, Margo Lubin, Jessica Miranda, and DK David Khan, with music by Anna Lemma. Tune in for an upcoming episode featuring Sarah Lee, an Iraq war veteran who rode 4,300 miles to heal her PTSD. Until then, remember to eat plants, not animals.

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