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    Good Time Show: Metaverse + Crypto

    enAugust 18, 2021

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    • Exploring the Metaverse: A Virtual World with Real-World EconomyThe metaverse is a shared virtual world with economic opportunities, where people can create, engage, and share experiences in real-time. It's currently a topic of great interest in the crypto and technology space.

      The metaverse is a real-time, three-dimensional social medium where people can create, engage, and share experiences as equal participants in an economy. While the definition may vary, this concept of a shared virtual world with economic opportunities is a common thread. The metaverse is not limited to three dimensions and is currently a topic of great interest in the crypto and technology space. During this episode of the Good Times Show, a panel of experts discussed the metaverse, what's already out there, and who's building interesting things in this space. The panel included Lee Steven Sinovski, Andy Snorovitz, Jonathan Lai, Gabby Leisen, Jared Dicker, Marc Andreessen, and others. The conversation touched on various aspects of the metaverse, from definitions and use cases to current projects and future possibilities. Overall, the metaverse represents an exciting new frontier in technology and economy, where people can create, engage, and share experiences in a virtual world with real-world economic opportunities.

    • The Metaverse: A Network of Connected Digital SpacesThe metaverse is a network of digital spaces, fueled by the open economy and NFTs, that has gained popularity during the pandemic as a parallel digital world

      The metaverse is not just a single new place, but a network of existing digital spaces connected by a new open economy. This idea has gained traction during the COVID-19 pandemic as more people spend time online, and the merge of crypto and the metaverse concept has led to the formation of a parallel digital economy. NFTs are seen as the atomic units of this connective tissue. The metaverse concept goes back to Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash," but its recent resurgence can be attributed to the digital shift during the pandemic and the emergence of open economies in virtual spaces. Games, particularly MMOs, can be seen as early progenitors of the metaverse.

    • Exploring the Concept of the Metaverse: Beyond 3D Virtual SpacesThe metaverse goes beyond 3D virtual environments, focusing on presence and immersion in experiences, achieved through various means like 3D virtual spaces, immersive video games, and social media.

      The metaverse, a collective virtual shared space, is not just about 3D immersive environments or virtual reality, but rather the sense of presence and immersion in experiences, whether through screens or VR. The history of video games, from the nineties to the present, shows that immersive experiences can be achieved through various means, including 3D virtual spaces and economies within games like World of Warcraft and EVE Online, which enabled jobs and virtual currency conversion before crypto existed. The metaverse is about feeling like you're inside the experience, not just accessing it, and the medium to achieve this presence can vary, from virtual reality to immersive video games. The importance of the 3D aspect has evolved with the rise of the internet and social media, allowing emotional connections to be established without always requiring a 3D realm.

    • Metaverse Gaming Guild Yield Guild Helps Players Earn IncomeYield Guild, a gaming guild in the metaverse, lends NFTs for Axie Infinity, a play-to-earn game, enabling players to earn income. The game's economy is vertically integrated, allowing all participants to benefit. Yield Guild aims to help gamers, particularly those from rural areas, enter this economy.

      Yield Guild is a gaming guild in the metaverse that allows people to earn income by playing NFT-based games, such as Axie Infinity. Axie Infinity is a play-to-earn game where players buy, battle, and breed NFT characters called Axies to earn Smooth Love Potion tokens, which can be exchanged for real money. Yield Guild lends out NFTs to players, making it an "employment agency of the metaverse." Axie Infinity's economy is vertically integrated, with Sky Mavis, the game's developer, taking marketplace fees and breeding fees, allowing all participants to benefit from the game's growth. The game has seen rapid growth in popularity, leading to an increasing number of people making a living by playing it. Yield Guild's mission is to help gamers, especially those from rural areas, enter this economy and earn a sustainable income. The discussion highlights the potential of the metaverse and blockchain games to provide economic opportunities and change people's lives.

    • Earning a Living in the Metaverse through Play-to-Earn GamesPlay-to-earn games like Axie Infinity are transforming the way people earn a living, particularly in developing countries. NFTs are creating entire specialized economies and opportunities for creativity and entrepreneurship in the metaverse.

      The gaming industry is evolving beyond just playing for fun, with the emergence of play-to-earn games like Axie Infinity. These games are transforming the way people earn a living, particularly in developing countries. The documentary "Play to Earn" showcases how individuals, such as the old Filipino couple Lola and Lolo, are able to earn extra income and even support their livelihoods through these games. This trend is not limited to just players, as various jobs like avatar creators, level designers, and digital fashion designers are also emerging in the metaverse. NFTs, which are a crucial part of these games, are no longer just for the privileged few, but are creating entire specialized economies. Companies like Yield Guild are opening doors to new opportunities, enabling people to add value and specialize in the digital world. The future of gaming is not just about earning while playing, but also about creativity and entrepreneurship inside virtual worlds.

    • Gaming as a profitable careerThe gaming industry is transforming into a place where people can earn a living off their passions and talents, even for those previously considered niche.

      The world of gaming is evolving, and it's no longer just a hobby for core gamers. With the intersection of crypto, the passion economy, and the metaverse, people from all walks of life, including grandparents and casual gamers, are discovering they can turn their gaming skills into a profitable career. This not only provides an economic incentive but also a sense of pride and agency. The gaming industry is transforming into a place where people can earn a living off their passions and talents, even if they were previously considered niche. This new development is inspiring and unlocking potential for individuals who may have previously been in conflict with their families about spending too much time gaming. The metaverse is leading us towards a future where work and play converge, and everyone is a gamer at some level.

    • New opportunities in the metaverseThe metaverse offers unique chances for status, financial gains, and deeper connections through gaming, finance, and creator economy projects like Axie, CryptoPunks, and Bored Apes. Early involvement and value-added actions can lead to substantial rewards.

      The metaverse is gaining popularity due to the attainability of status and financial opportunities it offers, which surpass what people could achieve in the traditional world. This trend is driven by advancements in gaming, finance, and the creator economy, as seen in projects like Axie, CryptoPunks, and Bored Apes. In the metaverse, people can own assets, connect deeper, and gain status through actions on the blockchain. It's an early economy where being involved early and adding value can lead to significant rewards, much like being an early adopter of social media platforms or digital currencies. This unlocks new possibilities for individuals, especially during times of physical distancing, and is just the beginning of a larger evolution.

    • Crypto's Role in the Metaverse: Trust, Ownership, and Instant Value TransferCrypto facilitates trust, ownership, and instant value transfer in the metaverse, acting as a foundation for interoperability and the emergence of free markets.

      Crypto plays a crucial role in the metaverse by providing access to instant value transfer, incentivizing participation through ownership stakes, and establishing a trust layer for free markets to emerge. Interoperability, which is essential for the metaverse's growth, requires an economic and technical foundation. Blockchains can help provide this foundation by acting as a global source of truth for ownership and transactions. However, achieving interoperability is an uphill challenge that requires further development of protocols and technical standards. Ultimately, crypto's ability to facilitate trust, ownership, and instant value transfer makes it a powerful tool for the metaverse's growth and development.

    • Interoperable standards for assets in the metaverseSocial media giants, communities, and DAOs will shape metaverse standards, transitioning from ad-based revenue to supporting creators and economic activity.

      The metaverse, as a constellation of digital spaces, will require a set of interoperable standards for assets to traverse between platforms. These platforms, including social media giants, will play a significant role in shaping these standards as they transition from ad-based revenue models to ones that support creators and economic activity. Communities and decentralized autonomous organizations (DAOs) will also play a crucial role in the metaverse, as they provide a means for governance and ownership within these digital spaces. The metaverse is not just about virtual experiences, but also about economic opportunities and community building.

    • Decentralized Communities in the MetaverseThe metaverse is moving towards decentralized and community-owned models, seen in platforms like Decentraland, Sandbox, Mirror, and DAOs, offering new ways to structure and govern communities, incentivize participants, and create value. This trend could revolutionize industries like local news and transform various businesses.

      The metaverse, particularly in the context of communities, is moving towards a decentralized and community-owned model, as seen in platforms like Decentraland, Sandbox, Mirror, and DAOs. This trend is important because it offers new ways to structure and govern communities, incentivize participants, and create value. Looking beyond gaming and virtual worlds, this model could revolutionize industries like local news, where a DAO structure could lead to more community influence and better business models. As the metaverse continues to evolve, these decentralized structures will likely become more prevalent and could transform various industries and businesses. To bridge the gap and make these new primitives more accessible to a wider audience, further developments and improvements are needed.

    • Online communities and platforms thrive on intrinsic and extrinsic incentivesEffective product design simplifies complex concepts and encourages wider adoption by offering intrinsic and extrinsic incentives to users

      The success of online communities and platforms, like the Huffington Post in the past and crypto projects today, relies on a combination of intrinsic and extrinsic incentives to engage and retain users. The Huffington Post's badging mechanism in its early days was an intrinsic model that gave users a sense of belonging and value, while crypto projects offer both social and financial rewards. Product design plays a crucial role in onboarding new users and helping them understand the concept of ownership in the digital world, which is a new concept for many people outside of crypto. Good product design can simplify complex concepts and make them more accessible, leading to wider adoption. Elio, for instance, focuses on distribution and covers the upfront costs for users to access crypto games, enabling them to start earning and owning a part of the digital economy.

    • The Metaverse: The Future of Accessible Digital Assets and Virtual ExperiencesThe Metaverse aims to make digital assets and virtual experiences accessible to the masses, enabling monetization and commerce, potentially leveling the economic playing field, and offering new opportunities for creators and entrepreneurs.

      The metaverse is aiming to make digital assets and virtual experiences accessible to the masses, similar to Uber's impact on transportation. This will require solving user experience challenges and finding ways to incentivize users to engage with crypto. Monetization and commerce in the metaverse have the potential to level the economic playing field by allowing anyone to create and sell digital goods, potentially opening up new opportunities for creators and entrepreneurs. The metaverse is expected to be the future of work, with the potential for anyone to create and monetize digital content regardless of their physical location. Additionally, companies are exploring different on-ramps to make crypto more accessible to users, ranging from complex onboarding processes for those willing to learn and engage with crypto, to seamless and familiar interfaces where crypto is an added bonus.

    • Exploring the Economic Opportunities of the MetaverseThe metaverse offers immense economic potential for revenue streams and brand engagement, as young people increasingly spend time in this digital space. Brands recognize its importance and see it as a platform for new technologies and innovations.

      The metaverse presents an enormous economic opportunity, with potential revenue streams and brand engagement that far surpasses the physical world. Brands recognize the importance of maintaining relevance in this digital space, where young people are increasingly spending their time. The metaverse is still taking shape, and while there are valid concerns about potential dystopian outcomes, the optimistic view sees it as a platform for new technologies and innovations to come to life. Ultimately, whether the metaverse is "good" or "bad" is still up for debate, but its possibilities are vast and worth exploring.

    • Exploring the Potential of the MetaverseThe metaverse, with its potential for richer experiences and positive social, economic, and infrastructural impacts, is seen as a promising new frontier for innovation and connection.

      The metaverse, despite concerns about excessive screen time, has the potential to offer richer and more fulfilling experiences for the majority of the population. John, a long-time gamer and metaverse enthusiast, believes that the metaverse will have positive social, economic, and infrastructural impacts in the long run. He suggests that ideas like integrating Twitter profiles into virtual worlds or adding a z-axis to online images could enhance the metaverse experience. Jesse proposes a browser plugin or app that would allow users to access the history and interactions associated with digital assets, making online media more immersive. Donnie's idea is to create a virtual space where people can connect and collaborate on creative projects, fostering a sense of community and creativity. Overall, the panelists see the metaverse as a promising new frontier for innovation and connection.

    • Interoperability in Digital Platforms and ApplicationsInteroperability enables a seamless user experience, maintaining identity and access across services, and disrupts traditional business models, particularly in targeted advertising. Immersive and social experiences in areas like fitness and gaming are also emerging trends.

      There is a growing interest in creating interoperable platforms and applications in the digital world, whether it be in the context of ride-sharing, fitness, or web browsing. This interoperability allows for a more seamless and user-centric experience, enabling individuals to maintain their identity and access various services using the same profile. The potential for this to disrupt traditional business models, particularly those reliant on targeted advertising, is significant. Additionally, there is a desire to see more immersive and social experiences in areas like fitness and gaming, bringing together the best of existing platforms and technologies. Overall, these discussions highlight the exciting possibilities of decentralized and interoperable digital platforms and applications.

    • Emphasizing the potential for innovation and growth within the communitySpeakers encouraged collaboration, learning, and optimism for the future as they looked forward to seeing new projects and their positive impact

      Excitement and potential for innovation and growth that lies within this community. The speakers expressed their eagerness to see what projects will emerge and how they will contribute to the future. They emphasized the importance of collaboration and learning from one another to push boundaries and make a positive impact. Ultimately, the message was one of optimism and anticipation for the possibilities that await. So, thank you to everyone for being a part of this event and for sharing your ideas and insights. Let's continue to inspire and support each other as we explore new frontiers together.

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    The Bull Case for NFTs
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    Andrew on Twitter
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    Zima Red - Andrew's Podcast
    https://andrewsteinwold.substack.com/ 

    Sfermion
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