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    • Gary Vaynerchuk surprises a listener with a business consulting session and swag packGary Vaynerchuk shares his early interest in comedy, selling Empathy Wines to Constellation Brands, and offering a listener a business consulting session and swag pack.

      Gary Vaynerchuk, the host of the podcast, surprises his listeners by offering a random listener a business consulting session, a day with his team, and a swag pack as part of a mid-roll promotion. Additionally, Vaynerchuk recently sold his Empathy Wines brand to Constellation Brands, the largest wine company in the world, and they will expand its scale and quality. The podcast also welcomed comedian and Daily Show correspondent Roy Wood, Jr. as a guest. Vaynerchuk discussed his early interest in comedy, which he saw as an escapism, and how he started creating his own comic book and charging classmates to read it in the 6th grade. He attributes his oratory skills to his father, who was in journalism.

    • Identifying and fulfilling unique needsSuccess comes from understanding markets, building relationships, and offering something new and different to fulfill unmet needs.

      Success often comes from finding unique perspectives and fulfilling unmet needs. This was evident in the speaker's experience with renting a copy machine in high school and later in his pursuit of a career in comedy. He learned the importance of building relationships, observing, and listening to understand the market and stand out from the competition. AG Gaston's mantra of "find a need and fulfill it" resonated with him and guided his approach to content creation. Rejection and observation also played significant roles in his journey, as he learned from others and sought to offer something new and different. In the present, he continues to prioritize listening and assessing the market to create unique content, especially during challenging times like the pandemic and election cycles. Ultimately, his success can be attributed to his ability to identify needs and fulfill them in unique and entertaining ways.

    • Adapting to new platforms and staying relevant as a comedianIn uncertain times, content creators must adapt, connect with audiences, and find new ways to engage and provide value.

      The current situation, including the elections and the pandemic, significantly impacts the content creation process for comedians and content creators in general. Roy Wood Jr., a comedian, shares his perspective on the importance of maintaining relevance and adapting to new platforms like digital shows and Instagram Live to connect with audiences. He emphasizes the power of collective laughter and interaction in bringing people together. Roy also discusses his experience with radio and how he used it to grow his comedy career by providing content to radio stations in smaller markets. He applied the same strategy to Instagram Live, recognizing the need for interactive and collective comedy conversations. By providing content for free to radio stations, he gained exposure and built relationships. Similarly, by using Instagram Live, he aims to unite people and create a sense of collective conversation. In essence, the key takeaway is that in times of uncertainty, it's crucial for content creators to adapt, connect with their audiences, and find new ways to engage and provide value.

    • Personal attention and brand recognition matterDuring crises, prioritize safety, empathize with community, and stay true to brand identity to rebuild stronger.

      While data is valuable, personal attention and brand recognition are equally important for expanding reach and building a successful business. The speaker, who is a radio personality and comedian, shares how he wishes he had started collecting email lists earlier in his career to leverage fan data. However, he emphasizes the importance of authentic connections and empathy, which were crucial during the COVID-19 crisis for global CEO Sandeep Seth and his beauty business, SK 2. Seth shares how they reacted to the crisis in three phases: reaction, responding to the community, and reemerging stronger. Despite being prepared for crises, nothing could have prepared them for the unpredictability of the pandemic. They prioritized the safety and well-being of their employees and partners, and responded to the community through donations and pivoting their supply chain to produce masks. Moving forward, they are focusing on staying true to their brand identity and purpose, which is "change destiny."

    • Pivoting during crisis: Inspiring stories and digital solutionsDuring crises, brands can inspire and provide hope by sharing inspiring stories and experimenting with digital solutions to adapt to changing consumer behaviors.

      During times of crisis, it's essential for brands to inspire and provide hope to the world while also adapting to changing consumer behaviors. SK-II, a Japanese beauty brand, did this by pivoting their campaign to focus on the inspiring story of Olympic swimmer Iike Rikako, who recovered from leukemia, and by experimenting with digital solutions like e-consultations and AI chatbots to continue providing physical touch services in a contactless world. They also transformed department stores into phygital environments using technologies like facial recognition and eye tracking. Despite having to pivot their plans for the Tokyo Olympics, they remained fully committed to supporting their athletes and bringing positivity to consumers during a challenging time.

    • Companies pivoting to empathetic and connection-driven strategiesCompanies are shifting from sales-focused to empathetic strategies, adopting technology, and learning to adapt quickly to emerge as leaders in the post-COVID retail landscape.

      Companies, including SK 2, are pivoting from a sales-focused approach to a more empathetic and connection-driven strategy in response to the current global situation. This shift is expected to be permanent as the retail landscape and consumer behavior continue to change post-COVID. The adoption of technology is also accelerating as a result of the pandemic, creating a digital transformation that is likely to be long-lasting. Sandeep Seth, the global CEO of SK 2, believes that brands and businesses that can learn and adapt quickly will emerge as leaders in this new landscape. On a personal note, many people, including Sandeep, have shifted to buying most things online and exploring new options as a result of the pandemic. The changes brought about by COVID-19 are significant and are likely to have a lasting impact on how we live and shop.

    • Connecting Research and Action through the Center for Policing EquityDr. Goff's work at Yale led to the creation of the Center for Policing Equity, which aims to promote justice in policing through data and science, and addresses deep-rooted issues rather than just superficial improvements.

      Dr. Goff's work as a professor and CEO of the Center for Policing Equity are interconnected, with the Center being an extension of his research at Yale. He recognized the limitations of individual efforts in addressing racial issues in policing and institutionalized his work through the Center. Convincing police departments to adopt data and science to improve their practices and promote justice was a challenge, as it required acknowledging and addressing deep-rooted issues rather than just superficial improvements. Dr. Goff's work is not about pointing out flaws but providing solutions to heal the deeper wounds in American democracy.

    • Policing and Addressing Racial Disparities: Three Categories of Police DepartmentsUnderstanding the root causes of disparities and focusing on behaviors and policies that contribute to them, along with regular measurement and accountability, are essential for addressing systemic issues in any organization.

      Addressing systemic issues within organizations requires consistent measurement and accountability. In the context of policing, a company called "The Equity Lab" has seen a surge in interest from police departments seeking to address racial disparities. Out of 250 departments requesting their services, the speakers discussed the importance of distinguishing between those genuinely committed to change and those merely checking a box for optics. The Equity Lab categorizes departments into three groups: those acknowledging and addressing racism, those confident they're not racist but open to learning, and those following trends. The speakers emphasized the importance of understanding the root causes of disparities and focusing on police behaviors and policies that contribute to them. They also highlighted the importance of regular measurement and accountability to ensure progress towards change. Business leaders can learn from this approach by recognizing the importance of consistent measurement and accountability in addressing systemic issues within their own organizations. While it may be easier to maintain a status quo, genuine progress requires a commitment to regular evaluation and improvement. The example of Salesforce acknowledging and addressing gender pay disparities illustrates this point.

    • Measuring DEI is an ongoing priorityShifting focus from hearts and minds to behaviors, engaging directly affected individuals, and taking a proactive and consistent approach to DEI can lead to a more inclusive culture and positive impact on business.

      Measuring and addressing issues related to diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in businesses requires consistent effort and regular assessment. The speaker shares an example of a company that equalized pay only to find the gender pay gap reappearing due to new acquisitions with the same disparity. To truly make a difference, businesses need to view DEI as an ongoing priority, similar to how they regularly check their financial statements. By shifting the focus from hearts and minds to behaviors, businesses can effectively identify and address the root causes of DEI issues within their organizations. To do this, companies should engage with those directly affected and work backwards from the problems they identify. Additionally, addressing DEI goes beyond just numbers and products; it's about demonstrating care and concern for all employees. By taking a proactive and consistent approach to DEI, businesses can build trust, foster a more inclusive culture, and ultimately, create a positive impact on their bottom line.

    • Aligning brands with social values for long-term successUnderstand industry context, align with anti-racism and social values, listen to competent individuals, balance confidence and humility.

      When it comes to building and managing a successful brand, especially for large organizations, it's crucial to consider the historical context and social values associated with the industry. Dr. Philip Goff, from the Center for Policing Equity, emphasized the importance of positively aligning a brand with basic social values, such as anti-racism, for long-term success. Leslie Dillon, CEO of JPMorgan Chase, added to this by emphasizing the importance of listening and surrounding oneself with competent individuals to make informed decisions as a leader. When faced with unexpected challenges, such as a global pandemic or a new role, it's essential to find a balance between confidence and humility, and to lean on the expertise of others. In summary, building a successful brand requires a deep understanding of the industry's historical context, positive alignment with social values, and a willingness to listen and learn from others.

    • Staying Proximate and Adaptive in Uncertain TimesCMOs must listen, pivot, and operate agilely using social media to understand customer sentiment and adapt strategies accordingly. Employees on the front lines deliver services and address concerns. Companies should prioritize brand consciousness and contribute positively to their communities.

      During unprecedented times, it's crucial for businesses to stay proximate and connected with their customers and communities. CMOs and their teams must listen intently, pivot quickly, and operate in agile ways to address customers' needs in real-time. Social media becomes an essential tool for understanding customer sentiment and adapting strategies accordingly. Employees on the front lines also play a vital role in delivering services and addressing concerns. Furthermore, companies should prioritize brand consciousness and use their platforms to contribute positively to their communities and address social issues. JPMorgan Chase's quick response to the crisis, focusing on customer needs and employee safety, demonstrates the importance of staying proximate and adaptive in uncertain times.

    • Effective leadership involves engaging in conversations with employees and the communityLeaders should understand and support their communities, adapt to new situations, and provide meaningful actions beyond symbolic gestures.

      Effective leadership involves not only understanding and serving customers, but also engaging in ongoing conversations with employees and the community. This was particularly evident during the social justice movements and the COVID-19 crisis. Companies, such as JPMorgan Chase, took significant steps to be involved and support their communities, going beyond symbolic gestures to meaningful actions. For instance, JPMorgan Chase closed its operations on Juneteenth and took part in Blackout Tuesday. In the case of small businesses, the company played a crucial role in providing support during the crisis and continues to do so as part of its mission to serve the economy's backbone. Effective leadership also involves being open to learning and adapting, as demonstrated by the CMO's admission of not being aware of Juneteenth before. Overall, it's about fixing the well, not just the sink, and being present and relevant to the needs of clients and the community.

    • Promoting diversity and inclusion through accountabilityLeaders must prioritize accountability, including regular checks on team diversity, incentives tied to diversity goals, and mandatory ERG involvement, to promote a more inclusive workplace.

      Accountability is a crucial aspect of promoting diversity and inclusion in organizations, as discussed by Sandra Sims Williams during the Marketing Hall of Fame event. Accountability starts from the top and requires representation, self-reflection, and measurement. At Nielsen, where measurement is a core function, accountability is being taken seriously through regular checks on team diversity, executive incentives tied to diversity goals, and mandatory involvement in Employee Resource Groups (ERGs) for leaders. Sandra, with her extensive experience, emphasized the importance of educating all employees, regardless of their race or position, about the need for change. She has been advocating for diversity and inclusion for over 20 years and feels a significant responsibility to inform and guide her white coworkers in this journey towards a more inclusive workplace.

    • Creating a safe space for open dialogue about race and privilegeLeaders must initiate and facilitate respectful, vulnerable conversations about race and privilege with a solid plan for diversity and inclusion to build trust and prevent misunderstandings.

      Effective conversations about race and privilege require creating a safe space for open dialogue, without resorting to shame or defensiveness. Leaders, both black and white, have a responsibility to initiate these conversations and facilitate them in a way that encourages vulnerability and self-awareness. Having a well-thought-out plan for diversity and inclusion is crucial, as it helps build trust and prevent misunderstandings. The goal is to engage in decent human conversations, focusing on humanity and understanding, rather than fighting or competing. Companies that lack a detailed plan risk damaging their reputation and causing harm. By starting with a solid plan and fostering open, respectful dialogue, organizations can create a more inclusive and diverse workplace.

    • Effective communication and collaboration for diversity and inclusionProvide opportunities, mentoring, support, push creative boundaries, infuse brands with purpose, emphasize authenticity, empathy, and collaboration to promote diversity and inclusion in remote work environments.

      Effective communication and collaboration are essential for promoting diversity and inclusion, and companies need to make intentional efforts to facilitate these elements, especially in remote work environments. Sandra Sims Williams, SVP of Diversity and Inclusion at Nielsen, emphasized the importance of providing opportunities, mentoring, and support for diverse associates to help them navigate organizations and reach their full potential. Fernando Machado, global CMO of Restaurant Brands International, highlighted the significance of pushing creative boundaries and infusing brands with purpose. Brett Yormark, co-CEO of Roc Nation Unified, discussed the importance of commercial and strategic partnerships in the entertainment industry. Overall, the panelists agreed on the importance of authenticity, empathy, and collaboration in creating successful and inclusive businesses. Companies can encourage interaction and inclusion among remote employees and teams by implementing social hours, regular check-ins, and providing opportunities for growth and development.

    • Adapting to Remote Work and UncertaintyGary overcame initial skepticism to thrive in remote work, while Roy prioritized employee safety to reopen. Both face uncertainty in the business climate, but remain optimistic and adaptive.

      Despite the challenges of remote work and the uncertainty of the current business climate, both Gary and Roy have found ways to adapt and thrive. Gary, who initially was skeptical of remote work, discovered that he could be productive and even enjoyed the experience, but missed the engagement and connectivity of the office. He used this time to reimagine and diversify Roc Nation's business. Roy, on the other hand, took a phased approach to reopening his office while implementing rigorous safety protocols to ensure the safety of his employees. The biggest challenge for both of them has been the uncertainty of external factors, such as how clients will return to the office. Despite these challenges, they remain optimistic and are finding ways to navigate the new norm. Additionally, Gary shared that his speaking career had played a significant role in building his business empire.

    • Navigating the Uncertainty of Live Events during the PandemicCompanies are adapting to the pandemic by focusing on digital engagement and rethinking the consumer experience at live venues

      The live events industry, including music and sports, is facing significant changes due to the pandemic. The future of live events is uncertain, with many forecasts suggesting a return in Q2 2021. In the meantime, companies like Roc Nation are focusing on engaging and promoting their artists through non-traditional means, such as social media and digital platforms. Venues are also rethinking the consumer experience, with a focus on grab-and-go options and controlling ticket sales to manage manifests. The pandemic has presented challenges, but it also offers opportunities for artists and companies to adapt and innovate.

    • Artists and athletes prioritize health and wellnessAmidst challenges, individuals focus on self-care and healthy lifestyles, resulting in impressive transformations in fitness and family life for many. Athletes return in top shape, and global marketers innovate to drive growth.

      Artists and athletes have used the recent challenges to prioritize their health and wellness, resulting in impressive transformations. Whether it's through fitness or family, many individuals have discovered the importance of self-care and living a healthy lifestyle. This trend has been particularly noticeable in the sports world, with athletes returning to camp in better shape than ever. Additionally, the unique circumstances of the past few months have highlighted the value of family and the importance of putting it first. Global marketers, like Fernando Machado of Restaurant Brands International, continue to push creative boundaries to drive growth and innovation in their industries. Overall, these discussions emphasize the resilience and adaptability of individuals and businesses in the face of adversity.

    • Driving Business Growth with a Clear Brand StrategyFernando's innovative approach to marketing, clear brand strategy, and ability to adapt quickly to the fast-paced environment of social media have contributed to Burger King's success in recent years.

      Fernando, the CMO of Burger King, drives business growth by infusing brands with purpose, modernizing their design, and inspiring organizations around brand development. He's been recognized for his innovative approach, winning numerous awards including Adweek's Grand Brand Genius twice, and being named CMO of the Year for 2020 by Ad Age. Fernando attributes Burger King's ability to keep up with culture and generate a high volume of ideas to their clear brand strategy, making it easy for creative partners to understand the brand's tone, personality, and strategy. He believes that marketing and advertising are skills that are acquired over time and that the fast-paced environment of social media requires marketers to be able to adapt quickly and try new things. Fernando's approach of making the brand clear to employees, trying different things, and being able to pivot quickly has been key to Burger King's success in the last half decade.

    • Adapting to shifting consumer attentionCompanies must create engaging content and focus on helping society to gain audience's attention, as traditional TV-centric marketing model is no longer effective. Brands like RBI successfully navigated COVID-19 challenges by offering free meals, coffee, and baked goods, demonstrating authentic actions.

      The consumer's attention has shifted dramatically from the traditional TV-centric marketing model, and companies need to adapt by creating interesting and engaging content that merits the audience's attention. The Super Bowl is an exception where people actively seek out ads, but it's essential to understand that most viewers don't want to watch commercials the rest of the year. Brands like RBI, which handles Popeye's, Burger King, and Tim Hortons, have successfully navigated the challenges posed by COVID-19 by focusing on helping society before promoting themselves. These companies put their purpose into action by offering free meals, coffee, and baked goods to those in need, demonstrating that authentic actions speak louder than words. Additionally, companies must be nimble and adaptable in their marketing strategies, as the pandemic forced RBI to abandon old plans and come up with new ones quickly.

    • Staying Relevant in Changing ContextsMarketers should adapt quickly and frequently to capitalize on trends and conversations, focusing on relevance rather than just reach.

      Context is the most important power in marketing, especially during rapidly changing times. Roy Murtha, Global CMO of Restaurant Brands International, emphasized that marketers should not be afraid of advertising next to COVID-related content because they should consider the context in which they're operating. He also shared that the industry often gets too focused on potential reach and neglects relevance. Instead, marketers should adapt quickly and frequently to capitalize on trends and conversations. Jenny Walls, CMO of Nickelodeon, added that audio is an important touchpoint for engaging audiences beyond the couch, and the intimacy of the audio experience makes it a valuable medium. Overall, the speakers emphasized the importance of staying relevant and adapting quickly to changing contexts to effectively reach and engage audiences.

    • The Significance of Audio Storytelling and Nickelodeon's Bold Statement on RacismNickelodeon made a bold statement by going dark for 8 minutes and 46 seconds during the cultural pivot following George Floyd's death, emphasizing the importance of education and enlightenment in children's programming and the power of audio storytelling as a less expensive medium.

      Audio storytelling, specifically podcasts, have become an increasingly important medium, as evidenced by the acquisition of Gimlet by Dan McCallister. McCallister emphasized the significance of audio as a medium that is less expensive to access than television or film, making it an attractive option for both consumers and content creators. During the cultural pivot following the death of George Floyd, Nickelodeon was one of the first networks to make a bold statement by going dark for 8 minutes and 46 seconds. This decision was rooted in the belief that education and enlightenment can begin at a young age and that the platform has the power to foster difficult conversations. The decision to address racial issues in children's programming was not a difficult one for Nickelodeon, as they saw it as an opportunity to open up conversations that can help children understand and address racism, which starts at a young age. The initiative has since grown into a larger campaign and the network continues to put resources towards developing content that addresses these issues.

    • Adapting to Remote Production and Content Creation at Nickelodeon during COVID-19Nickelodeon pivoted to remote production and content creation during COVID-19, focusing on animation and utilizing their YouTube team. Despite challenges, they remain optimistic and continue to develop new ideas for programming.

      Nickelodeon has had to adapt quickly and creatively during the COVID-19 pandemic, focusing on remote production and content creation. The biggest challenge has been not being able to produce new shows, leading to the development of new remote shows and content. Animation, which takes a long time to produce, has been in a better position than live-action or filming. The company's YouTube team has also been a valuable asset in creating content remotely. Although there are challenges, Nickelodeon is optimistic about the rest of the year and is continuing to come up with new ideas for programming. As a parent working at Nickelodeon, the ability to work on content that her child enjoys and to use him as a focus group has been a rewarding experience.

    • Effective communication and understanding unique needs of different age groupsNickelodeon's success lies in adapting franchises and reaching audiences through various mediums, while effective communication and purposeful branding are crucial for driving business growth.

      Effective communication and understanding the unique needs of different age groups are crucial in making an impact with educational content, especially when it comes to addressing sensitive topics like racism. Nickelodeon's success with franchises like SpongeBob SquarePants and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles lies in their ability to adapt and expand these franchises, reaching audiences through various mediums such as television, Broadway plays, and merchandise. Fernando Mercado, CMO of Burger King, emphasizes the importance of pushing creative boundaries and infusing brands with purpose to drive business growth. Overall, the Marketing for the Now event showcased the power of innovative marketing strategies and the potential for impactful communication across various industries.

    • Engaging with the audience in real-time through social media using relevant hashtagsSocial media presence and live streaming can benefit young artists. Use relevant hashtags to engage with the audience in real-time and don't miss out on upcoming speakers, register for the next episode at vaynerx.com.

      The importance of engaging with the audience in real-time through social media using relevant hashtags. Gary Vaynerchuk encouraged listeners to share their thoughts on the episode using the hashtag #marketingforthenow on Twitter. He also highlighted the upcoming speakers for the next episode, including Erica Nardini from Barstool Sports and Jack Hollis from Toyota. Listeners were encouraged to register for the next episode and check out previous episodes on vaynerx.com. A highlighted review from the episode was shared, praising the content focused on hip hop and the potential benefits of social media presence and live streaming for young artists. Overall, the episode emphasized the power of social media and audience engagement.

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    TINEKE KEESMAAT: LeaderLab is focused on having inspiring leaders share their stories and practical leadership tips to help others be more effective. Today is April 19, 2020 and leaders across the globe are in the uncharted world of dealing with the global health pandemic of coronavirus. There's no perfect playbook for leaders as they tackle the enormous social, emotional, and economic challenges brought on by COVID-19. Our next few episodes will be focused on how leaders are managing through these times. And our hope is that by sharing these leadership stories, we can find ways to help each other navigate through the uncertainty of COVID-19.
    ANNOUNCER: Welcome to LeaderLab, where we talk to experts about how leaders can excel in a modern world. Helping leaders for over 20 years, your host, Tineke Keesmaat.
    TINEKE KEESMAAT: Today I'm excited to chat with Kanina Blanchard. Kanina is a recognized public affairs and policy leader who has led teams internationally through crisis, challenge, and change. From bomb threats to environmental and human health disasters, she has helped teams and leaders in both the private and public sector navigate their toughest scenarios. Kanina is a lecturer at the Ivey Business School, where she focuses her research in the areas of women in leadership and responsible leadership.
    Kanina wants to help leaders navigate successfully through COVID-19 by being purposeful, empowering, and passionate so they cannot just survive, but find a way to thrive into the future. Kanina, thank you so much for joining me on today's LeaderLab. I'd like to start by asking you, what's the one big message you want leaders to take away from our conversation today?
    KANINA BLANCHARD: I think what we all need to do is start by stopping. And what I mean is to stop. Stop and take a step back from the firefight we find ourselves in. Because in times of crisis, whatever that crisis may be-- if it's a family issue or an illness, or some of my lived experience includes bomb threats and fires and explosions-- that we need to take a step back because we fall into this loop. And this loop is one where we have a sense of fear. We have a sense of powerlessness, a loss of control.
    And there is this deep need to do something. And that itself creates a problem, because we just do. And we keep doing. And we're driven by this sort of primal instinct, because actually doing something in the middle of a crisis feels good.
    But that's not good enough, not for a leader. And especially in a time of crisis, leaders need to ensure that what's being done is the right thing and that it's being done the right way.
    TINEKE KEESMAAT: I love that. So really, although we want to just act, act, act, what I'm hearing you say is pause and make sure that you are being purposeful. From a practical lens, what do you think leaders need to be thinking about as they're creating their crisis game plan?
    KANINA BLANCHARD: Our game plan for surviving the crisis, but hopefully thriving when this is over, is an important place to start. And not just on what you need to get done, but the why you're doing it-- align those to your values and think about who you want to be remembered as when this is over. So not just you-- your team, your organization.
    And sometimes when we think about these items, we may make some different decisions. Perhaps we still have to do what we have to do. For example, we're having to let people go. But how do we let people go, that matters. That matters for the kind of relationship you will have, the reputation you will have on the back end.
    So listen more. Demonstrate through your words and actions that you care about we, not just me. So don't sit back and make decisions in a crisis and articulate them. Involve others. Help other people be purposeful. Find a reason yourself to be passionate, and remember that your attitude as a leader is truly contagious. And this may be a bad play on words, but truly think about, what do you want to be spreading right now as a leader?
    TINEKE KEESMAAT: I know you talk about the 3 C's-- so crisis management, communication, and culture. And you've encouraged leaders in other talks to think about those three areas as they navigate through. So I'd love to spend a bit of time unpacking those and sharing your thoughts and tips. So if we can start with crisis management, can you talk to me about what that means?
    KANINA BLANCHARD: In a crisis, we need to lead and we need to manage. But it's not business as usual. So when we talk about leadership in times of crisis, there needs to be a plan. We need to prepare to manage and lead through crisis. And we need to, hopefully, have practiced and been prepared to deal with the absolutely-not-business-as-usual challenges that come up.
    I think about how many clients and people I speak to right now who say, you know, we've been trying to get a work from home policy in place for years and the company said no way. And now there are so many monitors being delivered to people's homes. So how do we manage? How do we adapt? How do we take on a mindset that we can manage through crisis?
    TINEKE KEESMAAT: Can you talk to me a bit about planning? What does great planning look like in this context?
    KANINA BLANCHARD: If we're going to actually lead through crisis, we have to accept that a crisis is different and that there are different emotions and different challenges. And it's uncomfortable to do this. So in a lot of large organizations and in my own professional career, we've done a lot of crisis management planning where we get down into the deep, the dirty, and sometimes the ugly and uncomfortable stories about what keeps us up at night.
    What is it that we're afraid of, the worst-case scenarios? And we live in a bit of a culture where we don't want to talk about those things. And this is where we can take guidance from professional athletes and professionals in fields like astronauts, who a huge part of their life is to plan for the unexpected and to plan for the worst-case scenario.
    I love this story that Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir, the very well-known Canadian figure skating champions, talk about-- that when they were practicing for the Olympics, they basically had a protocol where their coach would do the completely unexpected-- where the music would die, where the lights would go off-- and they could continue their performance regardless. So they planned for that. So plan for continuation of your operations and those scenarios that you are most concerned about.
    TINEKE KEESMAAT: And preparing, what does that look like?
    KANINA BLANCHARD: Preparing looks like bringing the right people to the table to do the work. And this seems kind of obvious, but one of the things that happens is we bring people around the table who are like us, who think like us, who focus on the things we focus on. But in a crisis, what we need to do is think about our audiences, our stakeholders from a very broad perspective and bring to the table those people who truly represent the voice of our communities, of our suppliers, of government, of other stakeholders.
    And so to prepare in a way that is mindful of not only kind of our worst-case scenarios or situations that we would normally not want to deal with, but to do it with people and get the insights of the people that matter the most, which is our audience in these situations.
    TINEKE KEESMAAT: Fantastic. And finally, practicing-- what do leaders need to think about there?
    KANINA BLANCHARD: Absolutely. So you know, it's funny. When I work with a lot of my clients, when I work with students, we do things like role plays or situations or scenarios. And some people love that, and some people are absolutely petrified.
    And I tell you, if you're petrified and I'm working with you, I am putting you on point, because we need to get past that. We literally need to practice stepping into the roles, making decisions, taking risk, and learning that there will be failure. There will be failure.
    And this sort of leads to this idea of communications and culture, and why it's so important to be able to manage through a crisis.
    TINEKE KEESMAAT: So Kanina, this sounds amazing. But I'm sure there's some people listening to you saying, gosh, I wish I had heard Kanina a year ago, because I would have done the plan, prepare, and practice. But now they're living through COVID. Is it too late for them? How do you talk to leaders about what they can do in the moment if they haven't had the opportunity to do your three P's before?
    KANINA BLANCHARD: It's not too late. It's never too late. In fact, we know in life there are some crises and issues that we can prepare for and some things that just hit us out of the blue. So we can absolutely bring our best self forward when things start to unravel. And for a lot of us, things are unraveling right now. So what do we do?
    Let's think about, have we thought through who do we want to be when this crisis is over? Have we planned for who we want to be at the end of this? Have we brought the right people together to talk about and prepare for not only doing what we're doing today better, but preparing for this crisis is not over. And if we're just living in the moment and focusing on the short-term, we're missing both other risks as well as other opportunities. So use this time to prepare.
    Then the last thing is we can still practice. We can practice, because when we realize that the most important thing we can be doing as leaders right now is not only stepping up into managing and leading through the crisis, but being the best communicators we can be and ensuring that our culture is one that's going to support us through this initiative and this challenge. We can be focused on what's coming. And that's going to help us, hopefully, thrive.
    TINEKE KEESMAAT: You bring us to the last two parts of your three C's. Communications was one that you mentioned up top. Can you talk to me a bit about what leaders should be doing or how they should be communicating during these uncertain times?
    KANINA BLANCHARD: Everything that you've been taught from a communications perspective, from a leadership communications perspective in normal business operations, applies today. But it is magnified and it is amplified. So do you communicate with your audiences? Are you authentic in your communications? Are you transparent? Are you consistent?
    Now, when I say things like "transparent" and "authentic," let's be clear, this isn't about saying whatever is on your mind. This is about putting your audience first. It's about purpose. As a leader, when you communicate you are purposeful in trying to motivate, inspire, compel, and influence others. When you communicate in a crisis, that's even more important. But it needs to be done in a way that people believe and they trust.
    I've had clients, as well as people that I've been talking with, who've said, look, my company is saying all the right things, but no one believes it. They're not making us feel like they're doing the right things. And that's key about communicating as a leader.
    TINEKE KEESMAAT: I know some of the people that I've been talking to have raised this point around consistency of message during these times. Their leaders are saying one thing but then doing something else. Can you talk to me about that, how that comes to play and why it matters?
    KANINA BLANCHARD: So when we talk about our values and all of these issues, what we say has to reflect who we are as an organization, who we are as people. And then we need to be very mindful to be consistent with that. So if we say to our employees in today's world that your health and welfare matters the most but then we back it up with actions and tell people to just go do things and take a risk, there isn't that consistency between what's being said and then what's being asked.
    So that is really important, because that is your legacy through this crisis. Will people, including your own employees as well as your customers in the community, be able to trust you based on what you did? Don't expect that you are going to have all the answers, that things are going to work at the same pace, that things are going to happen exactly the way that everybody would have expected them in normal times.
    But as a leader, set expectations. But work with people to bring their best selves forward. And you do that by connecting with people at the emotional level. And we could say, well, you know, how do you do that when everyone is leading at a distance?
    So there's lots of literature on this topic. But at a very simple tricks and tips level that I would love to see people truly take in, if you're talking to somebody, you're trying to build connection, stop looking at your screen and look at where your camera is. Because the reality is that most of us are speaking on cameras most of the day while we're looking down at someone on the screen. Or we might be looking at ourselves on the screen.
    What other people are seeing is you looking down at them. Lift your head, and know that that little aperture of your camera is your audience. And care enough to look at them and talk to them clearly, authentically, with purpose. Be values-based, and connect with them as human beings right now. That's what's going to motivate them to bring their best selves forward.
    TINEKE KEESMAAT: The last of your C's was around culture. I'm curious, Kanina, what do you think are the most important elements of culture that leaders need to get right during COVID-19?
    KANINA BLANCHARD: Well, there's so much about culture, right? It's hard to change a culture in the middle of a crisis in some ways, because we bring everything that we have been to that moment. However, crises create an incredible opportunity and a raison d'etre, or creates a bias for action. And so if there was one part of culture that I would love to see leaders focus on right now is collaboration.
    If we lose touch and if we lose connection with people at this time, the good parts of our culture will start to erode. And in the vacuum of collaboration and connection, we will drive movement toward people feeling more isolated, less purposeful, perhaps not knowing where their place is-- which will create more fear. I know this adds a burden to a lot of leaders. It's spending more time trying to connect. But creating opportunities for people to bring their best selves forward to collaborate on aspects of your business continuity plan and your future plan right now can do more to keep your employees, your customers engaged and motivated than anything.
    TINEKE KEESMAAT: Any practical tips or insights about how to build collaboration when everyone is working at home and has slightly variant schedules and potentially is distracted by their own personal issues or complexities? Any suggestions for folks on how to build virtual connection?
    KANINA BLANCHARD: Absolutely. There are so many, and we only have so much time. But just a few ideas. One, be patient. Everyone is in a different place. And what we know about communications as a field is that different people resonate with different kinds of communication.
    So some people read. Some people are auditory. Some people are visual. So keep in mind that if your goal through your communication is to ensure understanding or build awareness or to create collaboration, you need to think about that all your employees or your stakeholders are also different. And so just doing things one way blanket in one email doesn't mean you've communicated. All that means is you've sent out information.
    So think about the different ways you can communicate. You can write it. You can record a video. You could have open town halls. You could create social spaces like coffee or cooler discussions, where people who need that social interaction can self-select to come in.
    Offer to do it at different times. If you're working in a global environment-- it's one of the things I've found working internationally, is that my colleagues in Asia were always the ones-- and when I worked in Asia, I learned this myself-- are always the ones starting the earliest and ending the latest. So if you're going to have a session with your employees or you want to meet one-on-one, think about what time zone they're in and do it at a time, it might be inconvenient to you. But boy, that's going to send a signal of collaboration and care to someone sitting in Hong Kong 12 hours away that very few other things can do.
    TINEKE KEESMAAT: That's fantastic. And again, what I'm hearing from you, again, as a leader is really just thinking about your employees, stakeholders-- where they're at, and kind of bridging the gap by meeting them at that starting point versus just what's convenient for you. So again, some care and compassion in these times.
    KANINA BLANCHARD: You know, someone might be out there listening going, how much more can I possibly do? It just seems like we load more and more on managers and leaders. And considering these times of opportunity to be the best you can be is really important. But I would say, don't go down the superhero path.
    We've seen through the last many decades that superheroes tend to not only burn out and harm themselves and their families and their organizations, but that's not a way to win. We are in a marathon. COVID-19 is a marathon. It is not a sprint. So these are all best practices. And I hope the leaders listening are motivated by the difference they can make. But it also starts with self-care.
    TINEKE KEESMAAT: And what does that mean, self-care? That's a hot term right now. But from your perspective, how can leaders practice that, or what do they need to be mindful of?
    KANINA BLANCHARD: I think everybody is different, and so there is no one checkbox or list that's going to help. But I think that one thing I've seen developing over the last 30, 35 years that I've been in business is this idea of the importance of reflection, this importance of taking time-- whether it's even 10 minutes-- to stop and to think, and sometimes simply clear our minds. So there are people who are practicing meditation or mindfulness. It could be taking a walk. It's the small things that we do to take care of ourselves and take care of others.
    TINEKE KEESMAAT: And it's interesting, as you've talked-- and a thread that I'm taking away from this call-- is a bit of this authenticity, right? We're all in it together. Saying I'm tired, my neck is hurting, and just putting that out there allows people to connect at a very human level-- which I think is really important during these times, because people are in that place of fear and uncertainty. So I love this message that I've been hearing anyway around just being you and being authentic, and sharing that with others.
    So Kanina, you have seen the before and after of many crises through your career. I'm curious, from your vantage point as you think about COVID-19, do you foresee any positive impacts or lessons or practices resulting from this scenario?
    KANINA BLANCHARD: Absolutely. I think about the things that I'm seeing in the news today-- we have young people who are starting businesses that aren't there to make money. But they're volunteering their skills to develop-- for example, in Portugal I heard about a young student who started a web app where people who cannot rent their homes right now are being matched with health care providers who can't go home in the fear of spreading disease. I've heard about people who have developed apps around COVID where they've been offered money for their apps and instead they've said, no, this is a public service.
    We're seeing governments do things that are truly unprecedented. We have governments that are stepping up early and fast and trying. And of course, there's always going to be criticism and critique, and there's always going to be things that we can do better. But look at the packages that are being put together to help ensure that people, even in these hard times, we can have food on our table. We're trying to help marginalized people make sure that they have food on their tables. We're trying to help students.
    There is an effort under way today that we will learn from. And in reality, when the next crisis comes-- and it will-- I think we will have learned so much, a lot of good and some bad. And if we embrace the failures and improve on the successes, we will together succeed moving forward and grow.
    TINEKE KEESMAAT: I love that, a feeling of hope and a recognition that even in these tough times, people are generally good and everyone is trying their best to kind of navigate through. Kanina, this has been fantastic. And I know I've taken a number of notes and lessons that I will use in my own world and share with friends and colleagues. So I really do appreciate your insights and your enthusiasm that you shared with us today.
    ANNOUNCER: And now, let's get to know our guest a little better with some rapid-fire questions.
    TINEKE KEESMAAT: As we wrap up, one of the practices that we would like to do on LeaderLab is to help our listeners get to know you even more as a person with some rapid-fire questions. So if you don't mind, I have five questions for you here around the themes of the time that we're spending at home. So don't think too hard, but your first response. Your go-to comfort food?
    KANINA BLANCHARD: Gluten-free pasta.
    TINEKE KEESMAAT: Do you like to go for a workout or curl up with a book to regenerate yourself?
    KANINA BLANCHARD: Oh gosh, neither. I'm working on my PhD, so I read when I have to. I love my audiobooks, and I love walking with my family and my ridiculous basset hound who howls and sings and always brings a smile to our face.
    TINEKE KEESMAAT: Nice. One item you could never live without.
    KANINA BLANCHARD: Well, I think my answer needs to be my husband right now. And I don't think I should call him an "item." But I think one of the things that we're learning-- we have eight people living under our roof right now. And what helps us survive, I think, is each other and that sense that you're not going through it alone.
    TINEKE KEESMAAT: That's wonderful. Your favorite cartoon character?
    KANINA BLANCHARD: I think it sort of maybe depends on the day. For some reason, just what popped into my mind right now is the Tasmanian Devil. I have no idea why. Maybe that reflects the way the world is feeling right now. That's what I've got for you.
    TINEKE KEESMAAT: And your work from home attire-- PJs, fully dressed, or a little bit of both?
    KANINA BLANCHARD: Absolutely a little bit of both. You'll never catch me in pantyhose. But at least from the waist up, I feel that I am more productive and I am engaging with the people who I'm speaking with in a respectful and honest and a professional manner when I've gone the business casual route, for sure.
    TINEKE KEESMAAT: I love it. I love it. Amazing. Kanina, thank you again for the time today.
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