Logo

    Is Kamala Harris Underrated?

    enJuly 05, 2024
    What are Kamala Harris's strengths as a candidate?
    How has criticism affected Harris's communication skills?
    What role did strategic planning play in Harris's vice presidency?
    How has Harris's background influenced her stance on crime?
    What challenges did Harris face regarding climate change issues?

    Podcast Summary

    • Harris's communication skillsVP Harris's ability to make a strong case against opponents could be a key factor in her potential presidential bid, despite criticism for her communication skills in broader contexts.

      Vice President Kamala Harris's ability to effectively communicate and make a strong case against her opponents could be a key factor in her potential presidential bid. While she has faced criticism for her communication skills in broader contexts, she has shown strength and confidence when making a direct argument against an opponent. This trait, combined with her background as a prosecutor and her ability to appeal to voters on issues like abortion and crime, could make her a formidable candidate if she decides to run for president. However, her reputation as a poor communicator and her struggles during her tenure as vice president have contributed to her current standing as a political underachiever, despite her meteoric rise in the Democratic Party just a few years ago. Understanding the complexities of Harris's political journey and the reasons behind her reputation requires a closer look at her experiences and the perceptions that have shaped public opinion.

    • Prosecutor ImageKamala Harris's prosecutor background became a liability during her presidential campaign due to the negative sentiment towards law enforcement, hindering her ability to effectively communicate and connect with voters.

      Kamala Harris's political image took a hit during her presidential campaign due to her background as a prosecutor clashing with the national sentiment against law enforcement. Prior to her presidential bid, Harris ran her campaigns for DA and AG in a metric-driven, practical manner, focusing on raising conviction rates and blending in rather than selling her personal story. However, when she entered the Senate and ran for president, her prosecutor image became a liability in the context of the grim sentiment towards police. Her advisors urged her to drop the prosecutor narrative, and she struggled to find her footing in the presidential race. Her communication became reflective of someone she didn't recognize, and she was criticized for being way below replacement level. Her ability to effectively communicate her message and connect with voters was hindered by her resistance to selling herself and her background in a more relatable way.

    • Harris' communication styleVice President Harris' communication style prioritizes representation over personal connection, leading to perceptions of inauthenticity in public settings

      Vice President Kamala Harris' communication style, as observed during a tour of her residence, reflects her desire to appeal to the Democratic Party base by acknowledging their identities, rather than expressing her authentic feelings or opinions. This tour, filled with art by diverse artists, was described as an "identitarian walkthrough," highlighting Harris' inclination to prioritize representation over personal connection. This tendency, rooted in her past as a prosecutor and her attempts to adapt to changing political eras, has led to perceptions of inauthenticity when she speaks publicly. Despite her warmth and charisma in private settings, Harris struggles to convey this side of herself on the campaign trail or in front of large audiences, leading to a noticeable disconnect between her public and private personas.

    • Harris's approach to climate changeDespite criticism for her past record, Harris's background as a lawmaker and personal experiences have shaped her perspective on climate change, advocating for evidence-based policies and practical solutions

      Vice President Kamala Harris's approach to climate change may not be immediately apparent due to her focus on building personal connections and her past record as a prosecutor. During her campaign, she was criticized for her tough-on-crime stance, which contrasts with the current Democratic Party's emphasis on criminal justice reform. However, her background as a lawmaker and her personal experiences have shaped her perspective. In her book "Smart on Crime," she advocates for evidence-based policies and rehabilitation rather than harsh punishments. While she may not be as vocal on climate change as some would like, her record and personal experiences suggest a commitment to finding practical solutions. The media's focus on her performances and past record may overshadow her potential contributions to the issue.

    • VP Harris' Role in Biden AdministrationLack of strategic planning and preparation led to Harris being underutilized and facing criticism in the Biden administration. Her attempts to be a Capitol Hill insider and Biden's whisperer failed due to her short Senate tenure and lack of relational capital. She became the public face on certain issues, but lacked significant responsibilities and promotion from the Biden team.

      The lack of strategic planning and preparation for Kamala Harris' role as Vice President has significantly influenced her profile and effectiveness in the Biden administration. When Harris first joined the administration, there were attempts to frame her as a Capitol Hill insider and Biden's "whisperer," but her short tenure in the Senate and lack of relational capital with lawmakers made this role a failure. Additionally, Biden's discomfort discussing certain issues, such as abortion, left a vacuum for Harris to fill, which she did by becoming the administration's public face on the issue. However, the Biden team did not put much thought into promoting Harris' profile or giving her significant responsibilities, leaving her drifting in the wind and facing criticism for her perceived lack of impact. Ultimately, the dissonance between Biden's public statements about passing the baton to the next generation of Democratic leadership and his private desires to serve a second term contributed to the lack of planning and preparation for Harris' role.

    • Harris' communication challengesVice President Harris faced communication challenges due to lack of strategic assignment and a well-known profile, resulting in a perceived unpreparedness during an interview on immigration, deepening public perception.

      Vice President Kamala Harris faced challenges in making meaningful wins during her tenure due to a lack of strategic assignment and the absence of a built-in profile with the American public. Her interview with Lester Holt regarding immigration was a turning point, as she failed to effectively address anticipated questions and then retreated from public view, deepening the perception of her as unprepared for prime time. The White House's reaction to her interview was puzzlement, as they had anticipated the questions, but the interview's impact was magnified due to Harris' lack of a well-known profile and her subsequent reluctance to engage in public discourse.

    • Harris's Cautious ApproachFear of failure and staff turmoil hindered Harris's public appearances as VP, with the administration failing to support and promote her effectively

      Kamala Harris's cautious approach to public appearances during her tenure as Vice President was driven by a fear of failure and the potential negative impact on the administration. This fear was exacerbated by staff turmoil and chaos in her office, which was attributed to clashing ideas and her inability to assert a clear direction. Despite Joe Biden's intention to act as a bridge to the next generation of Democratic leaders, the party was still divided into factions, with Harris representing a more moderate stance. The West Wing's mixed relationship with Harris's public profile led to a lack of support and promotion from the administration, leaving her aides frustrated and unable to effectively manage the situation.

    • Kamala Harris' Political IdentityInitially seen as a bridge to a more progressive Democratic Party, Harris' political identity was criticized during her campaign and as Vice President, but her performance in debates and campaigns suggests she may have more potential as a candidate than previously thought.

      The selection of Kamala Harris as Joe Biden's running mate in 2020 was a strategic move reflecting the changing political landscape at the time. Initially, Harris was seen as a bridge to a more progressive, anti-racist iteration of the Democratic Party. However, the political climate shifted, and Harris' pick was criticized as a misstep. Harris herself struggled to define her political identity during the campaign and as Vice President, often appearing as a cipher for the administration's policies. Despite initial doubts, Harris' performance in debates and campaigns has shown she may have more potential as a candidate than previously thought. The success or failure of her political future remains to be seen.

    • Harris's potential 2022 campaignIf Biden doesn't run, Harris could be the favorite, but she'll need to establish a new political persona and effectively argue against Trump.

      If Joe Biden decides not to run for president in 2022, Kamala Harris would be the favorite to win the Democratic nomination. However, she would face the challenge of constructing a new political persona beyond being Biden's vice president, especially since she and her team have been focused on presenting the administration's agenda rather than her own. Harris's strength could lie in her ability to effectively prosecute a case against Donald Trump, as much of the Democratic opposition to him revolves around legal issues and questions of legality. Her performance on a debate stage, particularly in her questioning of Brett Kavanaugh, has shown her ability to excite voters. Recommended books include "Southerners" by Marshall Frady for its compelling prose and insightful political reporting, and "The Sheltering Sky" by Paul Bowles for its exploration of existential despair.

    • Travel and ExplorationTravel and exploration can lead to personal growth or heartache, as seen in 'The Age of Innocence', 'The Heart is a Lonely Hunter', and 'The Company She Keeps'.

      Travel and exploration can lead to both enlightenment and despair. In "The Age of Innocence" by Edith Wharton, the characters' naive perceptions of exotic cultures ultimately lead them to heartache. Meanwhile, in "The Heart is a Lonely Hunter" by Carson McCullers, the protagonist's quest for connection and understanding among diverse communities results in profound personal growth. Lastly, in Mary McCarthy's "The Company She Keeps," the protagonist's journey from a Catholic background to New York's intellectual scene ends with a realization of the need for self-exploration and introspection. These novels illustrate the complexities and consequences of cultural exploration and personal growth.

    Recent Episodes from The Ezra Klein Show

    On Children, Meaning, Media and Psychedelics

    On Children, Meaning, Media and Psychedelics

    I feel that there’s something important missing in our debate over screen time and kids — and even screen time and adults. In the realm of kids and teenagers, there’s so much focus on what studies show or don’t show: How does screen time affect school grades and behavior? Does it carry an increased risk of anxiety or depression?

    And while the debate over those questions rages on, a feeling has kept nagging me. What if the problem with screen time isn’t something we can measure?

    In June, Jia Tolentino published a great piece in The New Yorker about the blockbuster children’s YouTube channel CoComelon, which seemed as if it was wrestling with the same question. So I invited her on the show, and our conversation ended up going places I never expected. Among other things, we talk about how the decision to have kids relates to doing psychedelics, what kinds of pleasure to seek if you want a good life and how much the debate over screen time and kids might just be adults projecting our own discomfort with our own screen time.

    We recorded this episode a few days before the Trump-Biden debate — and before Donald Trump chose JD Vance as his running mate. We then got so swept up in politics coverage we never got a chance to air it. But I am so excited to finally get this one out into the world.

    This episode contains strong language.

    Mentioned:

    How CoComelon Captures Our Children’s Attention” by Jia Tolentino

    Can Motherhood Be a Mode of Rebellion?” by Jia Tolentino

    How to Do Nothing by Jenny Odell

    Book Recommendations:

    Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry

    In Ascension by Martin MacInnes

    When We Cease to Understand the World by Benjamin Labatut

    Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

    You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

    This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Mixing by Isaac Jones, with Efim Shapiro and Aman Sahota. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Jeff Geld, Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Sonia Herrero.

    The Ezra Klein Show
    enSeptember 03, 2024

    Best Of: Tired? Distracted? Burned Out? Listen to This.

    Best Of: Tired? Distracted? Burned Out? Listen to This.

    I’m convinced that attention is the most important human faculty. Your life, after all, is just the sum total of the things you’ve paid attention to. We lament our attention issues all the time — how distracted we are, how drained we feel, how hard it is to stay focused or present. And yet, while there’s no shortage of advice on how to improve our sleep hygiene or spending habits or physical fitness, there’s hardly any good information about how to build and replenish our capacity for paying attention.

    Gloria Mark is a professor at the University of California, Irvine, and the author of the book “Attention Span.” And she’s one of the few people who have deeply studied the way our attention works, how that’s been changing and what we can do to stop frittering away our attention budgets. 

    This was our first release of 2024, a kind of New Year’s resolutions episode. And since it can sometimes help to be reminded of the intentions with which you began your year — especially in the midst of a high-intensity election season — we thought we’d share it again. 

    Book recommendations:

    The Challenger Launch Decision” by Diane Vaughan

    The Undoing Project” by Michael Lewis

    The God Equation” by Michio Kaku

    Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

    You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

    This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Claire Gordon. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Rollin Hu and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.

    The Ezra Klein Show
    enAugust 30, 2024

    Best Of: The Men — and Boys — Are Not Alright

    Best Of: The Men — and Boys — Are Not Alright

    We recently did an episode on the strange new gender politics that have emerged in the 2024 election. But we only briefly touched on the social and economic changes that underlie this new politics — the very real ways boys and men have been falling behind.

    In March 2023, though, we dedicated a whole episode to that subject. Our guest was Richard Reeves, the author of the 2022 book “Of Boys and Men: Why the Modern Male Is Struggling, Why It Matters, and What to Do About It,” who recently founded the American Institute for Boys and Men to develop solutions for the gender gap he describes in his research. He argues that you can’t understand inequality in America today without understanding the specific challenges facing men and boys. And I would add that there’s no way to fully understand the politics of this election without understanding that, either. So we’re rerunning this episode, because Reeves’s insights on this feel more relevant than ever.

    We discuss how the current education system places boys at a disadvantage, why boys raised in poverty are less likely than girls to escape it, why so many young men look to figures like Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate for inspiration, what a better social script for masculinity might look like and more.

    Mentioned:

    "Gender Achievement Gaps in U.S. School Districts" by Sean F. Reardon, Erin M. Fahle, Demetra Kalogrides, Anne Podolsky and Rosalia C. Zarate

    "Redshirt the Boys" by Richard Reeves

    Book recommendations:

    "The Tenuous Attachments of Working-Class Men" by Kathryn Edin, Timothy Nelson, Andrew Cherlin and Robert Francis

    Career and Family by Claudia Goldin

    The Life of Dad by Anna Machin

    Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

    You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

    This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Emefa Agawu, Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld, Rogé Karma and Kristin Lin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Mixing by Sonia Herrero. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Carol Sabouraud and Kristina Samulewski.

    The Ezra Klein Show
    enAugust 27, 2024

    Kamala Harris Wants to Win

    Kamala Harris Wants to Win

    On Thursday night, Kamala Harris reintroduced herself to America. And by the standards of Democratic convention speeches, this one was pretty unusual. In this conversation I’m joined by my editor, Aaron Retica, to discuss what Harris’s speech reveals about the candidate, the campaign she’s going to run and how she believes she can win in November.

    Mentioned:

    The Truths We Hold by Kamala Harris

    Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

    You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

    This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Claire Gordon. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Jack McCordick. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin, Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.

    The Ezra Klein Show
    enAugust 23, 2024

    Can the Democratic Party Reclaim Freedom?

    Can the Democratic Party Reclaim Freedom?

    Democrats spent the third night of their convention pitching themselves as the party of freedom. In this conversation, my producer Annie Galvin joined me on the show to take a deep look at that messaging. Why do Democrats see an opportunity in this election to seize an idea that Republicans have monopolized for decades? What’s the meaning of “freedom” that Democrats seem to be embracing? And how does this message square with other Democratic Party values, like belief in the ability of government to do good?

    Mentioned:

    How Democracies Die by Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt

    Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

    You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

    This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced and hosted by Annie Galvin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.

    The Ezra Klein Show
    enAugust 22, 2024

    The Obamas Strike Back

    The Obamas Strike Back

    Is Obamaism making a comeback? Tuesday night at the Democratic National Convention, Michelle and Barack Obama electrified the crowd with the most powerful speeches of the week so far, and seemed to anoint Kamala Harris as the inheritor of their political movement. For this audio diary, I’m joined by my producer Elias Isquith to dissect those two speeches. We discuss what Obamaism was in 2008 and 2012, and what it means to pass the baton to Harris in 2024.

    Mentioned:

    Biden Made Trump Bigger. Harris Makes Him Smaller.” by Ezra Klein

    That Feeling You Recognize? Obamacore.” by Nate Jones

    Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

    You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

    This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced and hosted by Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin, Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin and Aman Sahota. Original music by Aman Sahota and Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.

    The Ezra Klein Show
    enAugust 21, 2024

    Democrats Don’t Think They Have This Election Won

    Democrats Don’t Think They Have This Election Won

    I’m reporting from the Democratic National Convention this week, so we’re going to try something a little different on the show — a daily audio report of what I’m seeing and hearing here in Chicago. For our first installment, I’m joined by my producer, Rollin Hu, to discuss what the convention’s opening night revealed about the Democratic Party after a tumultuous couple of months. We talk about how Joe Biden transformed the party over the past four years, the behind-the-scenes efforts to shape the party under Kamala Harris, the impact of the Gaza protests and why many Democrats — despite Harris’s recent momentum — feel cautious about their odds in November.

    Mentioned:

    Trump Turned the Democratic Party Into a Pitiless Machine” by Ezra Klein

    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Full Speech at Democratic National Convention

    Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

    You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

    This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced and hosted by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin, Elias Isquith and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.

    The Ezra Klein Show
    enAugust 20, 2024

    Manliness, Cat Ladies, Fertility Panic and the 2024 Election

    Manliness, Cat Ladies, Fertility Panic and the 2024 Election

    A strange new gender politics is roiling the 2024 election. At the Republican National Convention, Donald Trump made his nomination a show of campy masculinity, with Hulk Hogan, Kid Rock and Dana White, the president of the Ultimate Fighting Championship, warming up the crowd. JD Vance’s first viral moments have been comments he made in 2021 about “childless cat ladies” running the Democratic Party and a “thought experiment” assigning extra votes to parents because they have more of an “investment in the future of this country.” Meanwhile, Kamala Harris is centering her campaign on abortion rights, and Tim Walz has been playing up his own classically masculine profile — as a former football coach, hunter and Midwestern dad.  What are the two sides here really saying about gender and family? And what are the new fault lines of our modern-day gender wars?

    Christine Emba is a staff writer at The Atlantic and the author of “Rethinking Sex: A Provocation.” Zack Beauchamp is a senior correspondent at Vox and the author of the new book “The Reactionary Spirit: How America's Most Insidious Political Tradition Swept the World.” In this conversation, we discuss some influences on JD Vance’s ideas about gender and family, the tensions between those ideas and the beliefs about gender represented by Donald Trump, the competing visions of masculinity presented by the two parties in this election, how Dobbs changed Democrats’ message on gender and family, and more.

    Mentioned:

    What Does the 'Post-Liberal Right' Actually Want?” with Patrick Deneen on The Ezra Klein Show

    A Powerful Theory of Why the Far Right Is Thriving Across the Globe” with Pippa Norris on The Ezra Klein Show

    Book Recommendations:

    Black Pill by Elle Reeve

    What Are Children For? by Anastasia Berg and Rachel Wiseman

    The Lord of the Rings trilogy by J.R.R. Tolkien

    Justice, Gender, and the Family by Susan Moller Okin

    Cultural Backlash by Pippa Norris, Ronald Inglehart

    Conservative Parties and the Birth of Democracy by Daniel Ziblatt

    Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

    You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

    This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Isaac Jones and Aman Sahota. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Sonia Herrero.

    The Ezra Klein Show
    enAugust 16, 2024

    Nate Silver on Kamala Harris’s Chances and the Mistakes of the ‘Indigo Blob’

    Nate Silver on Kamala Harris’s Chances and the Mistakes of the ‘Indigo Blob’

    Risk has been on my mind this year. For Democrats, the question of whether Joe Biden should drop out was really a question about risk – the risk of keeping him on the ticket versus the risk of the unknown. And it’s hard to think through those kinds of questions when you have incomplete information and so much you can’t predict. After all, few election models forecast that Kamala Harris would have the kind of momentum we’ve seen the last few weeks.

    Nate Silver’s new book, “On the Edge: The Art of Risking Everything,” is all about thinking through risk, and the people who do it professionally, from gamblers to venture capitalists. (Silver is a poker player himself.) And so I wanted to talk to him about how that kind of thinking could help in our politics – and its limits.

    We discuss how Harris is performing in Silver’s election model; what he means when he talks about “the village” and “the river”; what Silver observed profiling Peter Thiel and Sam Bankman-Fried, two notorious risk-takers, for the book; the trade-offs of Harris’s decision to choose Tim Walz over Josh Shapiro as a running mate; and more.

    This episode contains strong language.

    Mentioned:

    The Contrarian by Max Chafkin

    Nancy Pelosi on Joe Biden, Tim Walz and Donald Trump” by The Ezra Klein Show

    Book Recommendations:

    The Hour Between Dog and Wolf by John Coates

    The Making of the Atomic Bomb by Richard Rhodes

    Addiction by Design by Natasha Dow Schüll

    Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

    You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

    This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Efim Shapiro and Aman Sahota. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin, Michelle Harris, Elias Isquith and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Sonia Herrero.

    The Ezra Klein Show
    enAugust 13, 2024

    Nancy Pelosi: ‘It Didn’t Sound Like Joe Biden to Me’

    Nancy Pelosi: ‘It Didn’t Sound Like Joe Biden to Me’

    It’s been remarkable watching the Democratic Party act like a political party this past month — a party that makes decisions collectively, that does hard things because it wants to win, that is more than the vehicle for a single person’s ambitions. 

    But parties are made of people. And in the weeks leading up to President Biden’s decision to drop out of the race, it felt like the Democratic Party was made of one particular person: Nancy Pelosi. Two days after Biden released a forceful letter to congressional Democrats insisting he was staying in the race, the former speaker went on “Morning Joe” and cracked that door back open. And Pelosi has pulled maneuvers like this over and over again in her political career. When an opportunity seems almost lost, she simply asserts that it isn’t and then somehow makes that true. Sometimes it seems like Pelosi is one of the last people left in American politics who knows how to wield power.

    Pelosi has a new book, “The Art of Power: My Story as America’s First Woman Speaker of the House,” and I wanted to talk to her about her role in Biden’s decision to drop out and what she’s learned about power in her decades in Congress.

    Book Recommendations:

    The Island of the Day Before by Umberto Eco

    Love in the Time of Cholera by Gabriel García Márquez

    The Age of Wonder by Richard Holmes

    Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

    You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

    This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin, Michelle Harris, Rollin Hu and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Jonah Kessel, Emily Holzknecht, Kristen Cruzata and Sonia Herrero.

    The Ezra Klein Show
    enAugust 09, 2024