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    “It’s the mistake EVERY business makes” Rory Sutherland

    enJuly 01, 2024

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    • Automating rolesAutomating roles without considering the full scope of their importance can overlook the value of recognition, status, security, and social interaction, and hinder creativity and innovation.

      Automating processes without considering the full scope of the role being automated can lead to unintended consequences. Rory Sutherland, Vice Chairman of Ogilvy UK, uses the example of replacing a doorman with an automatic door opening mechanism, which while saving money on labor, overlooks the importance of the doorman's role in recognition, status, security, and social interaction. Sutherland also emphasizes the value of creativity and its role in spotting opportunities, rather than just solving known problems. He criticizes the current business model of only allowing creativity to be expressed at the end of the process and suggests that upstream creativity, where ideas are applied earlier, is rare due to individuals being held accountable for their performance. This can hinder the expression of creativity, which can lead to missed opportunities for innovation.

    • Exploration vs StandardizationAllowing for exploration and risk-taking, even if it means potential failure, can lead to significant discoveries and growth. This concept is important for organizations and individuals to consider, especially when relying solely on standardized processes or methodologies can limit growth and success.

      Relying solely on a standardized process or methodology, without allowing for experimentation and the potential for failure, can limit growth and success. This concept was illustrated through the example of honeybees and their waggle dance. While the majority of bees follow the waggle dance to optimize their pollen collection, a small percentage of bees deviate from the dance to explore new sources. This risk of failure, however, comes with the potential for a significant upside - the discovery of new, valuable sources. This asymmetry only works if there is risk pooling, meaning that the successes and failures are shared among the group. The speaker emphasized the importance of allowing for this exploration and risk-taking, even if it means potential failure, as it can lead to significant discoveries and growth. This concept is at odds with the demand for every individual to wash their own face and optimize short-term efficiency, which can limit the ability to exploit this fundamental asymmetry.

    • Exploration vs ExploitationPrioritizing exploitation over exploration can limit growth and innovation, leading to inflexible rules and inability to adapt to unique situations. Encouraging exploration and allowing room for randomness and creativity can help businesses adapt and innovate.

      Organizations often prioritize exploitation over exploration, limiting the potential for growth and innovation. This issue is not limited to marketing teams but affects individuals across the business. The problem arises when decisions are made without input from explorers, often resulting in inflexible rules and an inability to adapt to unique situations. For instance, customer service can suffer when agents are restricted by strict procedures and unable to use their initiative to solve problems. The urge to turn everything into an algorithm can lead to businesses losing their ability to adapt and innovate. Rory Sutherland, the speaker, emphasizes the importance of encouraging exploration and allowing room for randomness and creativity in organizations.

    • Micro vs Macro EfficienciesFocusing too much on micro efficiencies can lead to macro inefficiencies and unintended negative consequences. Instead, a holistic approach that balances both is necessary.

      Focusing too much on micro efficiencies, or optimizing individual processes, can lead to macro inefficiencies or unintended negative consequences. This was exemplified in the discussion about the insurer and hospital billing process, where a simple issue could have been resolved in a short phone call but instead resulted in a lengthy back-and-forth due to bureaucratic processes. Similarly, in business, there's a tendency to automate or define roles in a way that makes them most amenable to automation, which can destroy the value that comes from human judgment and flexibility. For instance, replacing a doorman with an automatic door may save money in the short term but can lead to a decrease in customer satisfaction and loyalty in the long term. This phenomenon can be seen in various industries and contexts. For example, making flights cheaper by packing them with more passengers can make the experience less enjoyable, and replacing checkout staff with touch screens can lead to longer wait times and less personalized service. Therefore, it's important to consider the broader context and the potential unintended consequences of optimizing individual processes. Instead, we should strive for a holistic approach that balances micro and macro efficiencies and values the human element.

    • Creativity vs DataFocusing too much on data and metrics can lead to macro inefficiencies by ignoring creativity and potential upsides/downsides. Balance analytical and creative thinking for success.

      Many marketing conferences can be uninspiring, but the HubSpot Inbound Conference stands out with its insightful talks and prestigious speakers. However, Rory Sutherland warns that a left-brain focus on data and metrics in organizations can lead to macro inefficiencies by ignoring creativity. He suggests embracing failures and considering the potential upsides and downsides, as in the case of Procter & Gamble's advertising or product development decisions. The McGill-Chris problem, where the left brain reduces everything to individual components and ignores the holistic perspective, exists not only in the human brain but also in organizations. To achieve success, companies should strive for a balance between analytical and creative thinking.

    • Two-way door vs one-way door decisionsUnderstanding the difference between reversible and irreversible business decisions can help companies make informed choices and take calculated risks.

      When making business decisions, it's essential to understand the level of commitment involved and the potential upside and downside outcomes. Old Spice is an example of a brand that could benefit from high-risk, high-reward strategies to avoid a slow, inevitable decline. The concept of a "two-way door" can be helpful in this context. A two-way door represents a decision with potential reversibility, while a one-way door represents an irreversible commitment. Jeff Bezos of Amazon emphasizes the importance of distinguishing between these two types of decisions and treating them differently in terms of the level of justification required. A plumber's decision to try a new tool for a few weeks before fully committing is an example of a two-way door. Companies like Amazon can turn a potential loss into an opportunity by selling unused resources or services to others. Ultimately, understanding the level of commitment and potential outcomes can help businesses make more informed decisions and take calculated risks.

    • Two-way opportunities and the Abilene effectUnderstanding the difference between one-way and two-way opportunities and being aware of the Abilene effect can help individuals and companies make informed decisions and avoid missing valuable opportunities for growth and learning.

      It's crucial for companies and individuals to understand the difference between one-way and two-way opportunities. Two-way opportunities, as discussed, are those where the decision can be reversed if it fails. These are valuable as they allow for learning and growth without irreversible consequences. However, many people and organizations, due to psychological biases like the Abilene effect, may not take advantage of these opportunities out of fear or a false belief that everyone else wants the same thing. A clear example of this is the Brexit vote, where people saw it as their only chance to leave the European Union before it became irreversible. This fear-based decision-making is not limited to political situations. Companies can also benefit from testing two-way opportunities, such as a radical new strategy or a new product offering, and switching back if it fails. The Abilene effect, a psychological phenomenon where people go along with something they don't want due to a false belief that everyone else does, can hinder decision-making and lead to missed opportunities. Being aware of this bias and the importance of two-way opportunities can help individuals and companies make more informed and profitable decisions.

    • Distribution of risk in teamworkDistributing risk among team members can lead to increased teamwork and productivity, while individual risk can lead to decreased teamwork and increased risk aversion.

      Collective decision-making can lead to unexpected outcomes, and the distribution of risk plays a crucial role in teamwork and productivity. In an anecdote from Daniel Kahneman's book "Thinking, Fast and Slow," executives at a large multinational company were hesitant to take a risky decision due to potential personal downsides. However, when the risk was spread among team members, the overall risk was reduced, leading to increased teamwork and productivity. Conversely, when risk is solely on an individual, it can lead to decreased teamwork and increased risk aversion. Rory Sutherland, in his discussion, also touched on various topics such as the potential impact of Brexit, the undervaluing of doormen, the importance of creativity, and Amazon's two-way door policy. He emphasized the importance of understanding the psychology behind decision-making and the role of teamwork in spreading risk and increasing productivity. Additionally, in a bonus episode, Rory discussed ways to boost productivity, the effectiveness of working from home, and the impact of women joining the workforce. To access this bonus episode, listeners can click the link in the show notes and enter their email address. Overall, Rory's insights provide valuable perspectives on various topics and highlight the importance of effective decision-making and teamwork.

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