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    John Arnold on Why It's So Hard To Build Things in America

    enJune 20, 2024

    Podcast Summary

    • US infrastructure planningThe US infrastructure planning process can be lengthy and inefficient, as demonstrated by the sudden cancellation of New York City's congestion tax plans after years of planning and consultation. Philanthropic organizations like Arnold Ventures are exploring innovative solutions to tackle these complex issues.

      The process of planning and implementing infrastructure projects in the United States, such as the proposed congestion tax in New York City, can be lengthy and inefficient. This was discussed during an episode of the Odd Lots podcast, where the hosts expressed frustration over the sudden cancellation of the congestion tax plans after years of planning and consultation. John Arnold, co-chair of Arnold Ventures, was mentioned as a guest on the podcast who has shown interest and put significant resources into finding solutions to such issues. Arnold Ventures approaches philanthropy differently by focusing on research and innovative solutions to tackle complex problems, including infrastructure and permitting issues. Arnold's tweet history on the congestion pricing issue highlights the long and complicated process it underwent, with numerous delays and assessments. The recurring issue of building infrastructure and implementing policy in the US was also noted as a persistent problem.

    • Policy-focused philanthropyPhilanthropists can drive sustainable change by focusing on policy as a means to address complex social issues, such as criminal justice reform, charter schools, high drug prices, and expensive college textbooks. They can evaluate existing programs, identify promising ideas, and provide tension in the system to drive innovation.

      The philanthropic efforts of the speaker and his wife, who come from professional backgrounds in the private sector, have evolved to focus on public policy as the framework for their giving. They identified a need for more philanthropic focus on policy as a means of sustainable, scalable, and structural change. Their interests span various areas, including criminal justice reform, charter schools, high drug prices, expensive college textbooks, and geoengineering. They look for issues with bipartisan support and promising ideas, where they can provide tension in the system, develop and pilot new ideas, or evaluate what works and what doesn't. An example of a surprising finding from their evaluation work is the "scared straight" program, which aimed to deter high school students from criminal behavior but, upon closer examination, was found to have counterproductive aspects.

    • Policy Implementation ComplexitiesWell-intentioned programs can have unintended consequences, and the alignment of theories and practices is crucial for successful policy implementation. Infrastructure projects and policy changes face unique challenges in implementation, and the complexities and evolving nature of policy-making require a thoughtful and adaptive approach.

      Theories and practices don't always align, and unintended consequences can arise from well-intentioned programs. This was demonstrated in the discussion about the "scare straight" prison program, which, despite theoretical background, led to increased crime rates among participants when put into practice. Similarly, in the world of philanthropy, the organizational structure of Arnold Ventures, structured as a limited liability company, was chosen to combine research and advocacy for better policy, recognizing that research alone doesn't lead to policy change. Infrastructure projects, like congestion pricing, face challenges in implementation, with the delay of the New York City congestion pricing plan serving as an illustrative example. This trend is not unique to large-scale projects, and the commonality lies in the complexities and evolving nature of policy-making. The environmental framework of the 1970s, which led to significant improvements, serves as a contrast to the current challenges faced in implementing new policies.

    • Permitting complexities in energy sectorOpponents use legal loopholes to delay infrastructure projects, particularly in the energy sector, leading to increased costs, delays, and potential economic growth hindrance

      The permitting process for infrastructure projects, particularly in the energy sector, has become significantly more complex and time-consuming, leading to increased costs and delays. Opponents have used legal loopholes to file objections and claims sequentially, resulting in lengthy court battles. This issue is not lost on politicians and policy makers, as evidenced by the recognition and efforts to streamline the process through legislation like the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act. The challenge lies in bringing clean energy infrastructure up to par with traditional energy sources, which currently have more exemptions from environmental regulations. Failure to address this issue could result in a halt in the construction of essential infrastructure projects, including energy and housing, hindering economic growth and the transition to clean energy.

    • Permitting reform balancePermitting reform aims to balance societal needs and community preferences, with a focus on infrastructure projects of national significance. Timely objections and rulings are crucial, but negotiations for inclusion in the IRA bill are ongoing, and the environmental community is divided on the issue.

      The ongoing debate around permitting reform centers on finding the right balance between societal needs and community preferences, particularly in regards to infrastructure projects of national significance. The discussion also touched upon the need for timely objections and rulings in the permitting process. The IRA bill did not include permitting reform due to congressional rules, and negotiations for its inclusion are ongoing. The environmental community is grappling with the implications of permitting reform, with some groups advocating for change to build infrastructure necessary for a lower carbon future, while others express concerns about past inequitable outcomes and the potential for future projects to perpetuate those issues.

    • Texas power grid sustainabilityBalancing affordability and reliability is crucial for Texas power grid sustainability, while addressing challenges in infrastructure and housing may require state intervention.

      Finding a legislative solution for energy and environmental sustainability requires balancing industry support with environmental community backing, ensuring affordability and reliability, and addressing the challenges of building energy infrastructure and housing. The Texas power grid, for instance, faces reliability versus affordability trade-offs, particularly in light of increasing demand and the integration of intermittent resources. The housing sector also grapples with affordability issues influenced by regional and local permitting policies, but there's no one-size-fits-all solution. Ultimately, state intervention may be necessary to address these complex issues, as communities often prioritize their own interests over collective needs.

    • Housing and Economic VitalityCalifornia's economic vitality relies on building more housing, which can be achieved through state rules, mandates, and incentives. The Inflation Reduction Act's 'carrot' approach with subsidies has been more successful than the Jones Act's 'stick' approach for intra-US shipping.

      Economic vitality, particularly in California, requires building more housing, which necessitates state rules, mandates, and incentives. Regarding the Jones Act, while there's a need for a shipbuilding industry for national defense, the current mandate for intra-US shipping on US flag vessels built in the US has been a "stick" approach with limited success. In contrast, the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) has been more effective due to its "carrot" approach with subsidies. In the past, there was an opportunity for arbitrage in sports card trading based on regional pricing disparities. As for billionaires in the policy-making process, they can provide tension in systems and bring evidence-based approaches, but ultimately, politicians and the political system should make the decisions, with all available facts.

    • Interest asymmetryUnderstanding interest asymmetry is crucial in addressing complex issues as it can lead to sophisticated legal strategies and slow progress through a drip process of filings.

      The concept of interest asymmetry plays a significant role in understanding the challenges faced in various situations. This was evident in the discussion about congestion pricing and the sophisticated legal strategies used to delay projects. The idea that people are getting better at dealing with the existing system has led to a slow drip process of filings, which can gum up the system. This phenomenon was also observed during the 1970s when policies affecting construction costs and energy prices began to change. It's worth considering that these changes may have contributed to the notion that a lot of things started going wrong around that time. Further research could be conducted to test the theory that 1971 marked a turning point in history. Overall, the conversation highlighted the importance of understanding the motivations and strategies of various parties involved in complex issues.

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